can anyone be saved to the kingdom of heaven?

[MatthewG]

Even if they are in some religious institution?

I believe God knows who are his without a judgment committee making decisions for him.

Only thing know is that the fruit of the spirit causes love.


So… what’s the answer to you? Are you a judge on behalf of God to condemn people to hell?

 

[Raccoon1010]

I am unworthy to judge. Only Jesus is worthy

Revelation 5:12 saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

But the bible spells out that the apostles received power to judge.

 

[MatthewG]

do apostles, who seen and witnessed the resurrected Jesus Christ live today?

 

[Raccoon1010]

do apostles, who seen and witnessed the resurrected Jesus Christ live today?

I don't think that was rehtorical in any way But yeah if Jesus gives authority to someone then they can judge.

 

[amadeus]

@MatthewG
Can anyone be saved to the kingdom of heaven?

Mt 5:3

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Mt 5:10

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Mt 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 5:20

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 8:11

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven

Mt 18:3	And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 18:4	Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 19:24	And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mt 19:25	When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mt 19:26	But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't think that was rehtorical in any way But yeah if Jesus gives authority to someone then they can judge.

I doubt it.

 

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG
Can anyone be saved to the kingdom of heaven?

Mt 5:3

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Mt 5:10

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Mt 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 5:20

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 8:11

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven

Mt 18:3	And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 18:4	Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 19:24	And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mt 19:25	When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mt 19:26	But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Can they? Even homosexual?

 

[MatthewG]

Any others?

 

[MatthewG]

Some people say no you got to meet their certain criteria that is on their perspective and understanding in order to be saved.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Some people say no you got to meet their certain criteria that is on their perspective and understanding in order to be saved.

Well MatthewG, Jesus is Judge together with God the Father probably. But God the Father has given him all power unto salvation. So I think if Jesus says you're saved then it's true. I wouldn't put too much stake in what people say as they don't have authority, unless they are apostles of course.

 

[MatthewG]

Well MatthewG, Jesus is Judge together with God the Father probably. But God the Father has given him all power unto salvation. So I think if Jesus says you're saved then it's true. I wouldn't put too much stake in what people say as they don't have authority, unless they are apostles of course.

Yeah, I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on what other people say too, but you can learn, and there’s no one that has any spiritual authority on earth just to be clear, that means for the Mormon church with their apostles is all fake. It’s all this sham, it’s all a lie.

I’m not attacking Mormon people, but the institution itself in that regard of false authority.

 

[Patrick1966]

I believe God knows who are his...

ALL are "his".

1 Corinthians 15:28
28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in ALL.

 

[MatthewG]

ALL are "his".

1 Corinthians 15:28
28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Not everyone is a child of God. Now everyone is a creation of God no doubt. And they’ve had their sins paid for by the Lord Jesus Christ but not everyone is a Child of God because not everyone has faith.

I can see this when Paul writes the second letter to the Thessalonians.

2 Thessalonians 3 1
And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one. We have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will continue to do the things we command.

Romans 8:15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”

 

[Patrick1966]

Not everyone is a child of God. Now everyone is a creation of God no doubt. And they’ve had their sins paid for by the Lord Jesus Christ but not everyone is a Child of God because not everyone has faith.

I can see this when Paul writes the second letter to the Thessalonians.

2 Thessalonians 3 1
And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one. We have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will continue to do the things we command.

Romans 8:15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”

So God won't actually be "all in all"?

 

[MatthewG]

So God won't actually be "all in all"?

I look at it as the Word and God coming together? But you make take it how you want. It’s still factually true that, everyone is a creation of God, to become a child, or a son, or a daughter of God, requires one to look towards God in faith, and seek him out diligently.


If you believe differently, I will love you, yes, I just share my own beliefs found in scripture, and it could always be wrong, thanks.

 

[MatthewG]

God is in all believers by his spirit is another consideration of looking at that scripture too.

 

[Patrick1966]

It says "all in all" my brother. Please read 1 Corinthians 15 in its entirety. ALL will be with God in the end.

 

[MatthewG]

It says "all in all" my brother. Please read 1 Corinthians 15 in its entirety. ALL will be with God in the end.

If that’s the case, people that are on the outside of the kingdom, perhaps are coming inside of the kingdom. I don’t know how to understand. God is an all in all.

But I’ll tell you this it’s still does not mean that human beings that are born into this world, are children of God.

It is only by faith one is adopted. And I believe God, writes laws on the hearts and minds of those who are is.

I’ll still stand on what I’ve shared.

Anyway, Patrick 1966. Thank you for a moment of your time, brother. God bless you and take care.

As I don’t believe there’s really much more to discuss about this subject really because I just don’t understand it anyway so I’ll leave it in the hands of God to deal with me about it rather than a hands of man

 

[Patrick1966]

It is only by faith one is adopted.

That's true but it's also written...

John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father".

Faith is not our own doing. It is indeed a gift. Everyone else will eventually come to God, but perhaps not while they remain in the flesh.

 

[MatthewG]

That's true but it's also written...

John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father".

Faith is not our own doing. It is indeed a gift. Everyone else will eventually come to God, but perhaps not while they remain in the flesh.

Yes, it’s also written that Jesus said, if you believe in me, you shall not die, but everyone of them died.