Can we support a pro-abortion candidate

[Byron-AW]

(Jordan;62118)
To love Satan is to love his work and / or supporting it.Nowhere in the bible says we are to love Satan. So I'm very proud of it.
Neither in the bible does it say we should hate Satan either. We are only to reject his sin. It is like rejecting to believe an atheist, but still be able to love him. To hate Satan, is to hate God. To hate Satan is to give into Satan. Satan only wants us to sin. Hate and malicious thoughts are a sinful act. Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.

 

[Jordan]

(Byron-AW;62130)
(Jordan;62118)
To love Satan is to love his work and / or supporting it.Nowhere in the bible says we are to love Satan. So I'm very proud of it.
Neither in the bible does it say we should hate Satan either. We are only to reject his sin. It is like rejecting to believe an atheist, but still be able to love him. To hate Satan, is to hate God. To hate Satan is to give into Satan. Satan only wants us to sin. Hate and malicious thoughts are a sinful act. Wrath is one of the seven deadly sins.Thanks, but no thanks, I rather stick with hating God's enemy.

 

[Byron-AW]

(Christina;62120)
We are to hate the sin ...not the sinner,,, but how we show love to the sinner is NOT by encouraging them to partake in a sin God finds an abomination We are to set an example stand up for Gods Word, love the sinner enough to help keep them from losing their salvation. Letting them do what God, says they should not..... is not showing love its showing one is a lukewarm Christian willing to compromise Gods word if you give us good enough reason. Put on your armor of God he doesn't want your lukewarm reasoning he wants you to be his warrior and defend his Words. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
I do agree with some of your words however, we are all sinners. No matter how hard we try we are all made of sin. The best we can do is to avoid as much sin as we can. However I do not believe that voting for McCain will stop abortion. For that matter I think it is better to educate the wrongs of abortion, which Obama plans to push. Also, I believe Obama's views on economics will help many poor and needy people. Which is something as a Christian that we are obligated to do.So overall I personally believe Obama is the better vote choice over McCain and I will still vote for him on voting day.

 

[tomwebster]

(Byron-AW;62132)
... Also, I believe Obama's views on economics will help many poor and needy people. Which is something as a Christian that we are obligated to do.....
Remember that when your wallet is empty. He will not be happy with just the "rick peoples" money. He wants to spread the wealth, ie. Socialism.

 

[Christina]

(Byron-AW;62132)
I do agree with some of your words however, we are all sinners. No matter how hard we try we are all made of sin. The best we can do is to avoid as much sin as we can. However I do not believe that voting for McCain will stop abortion. For that matter I think it is better to educate the wrongs of abortion, which Obama plans to push. Also, I believe Obama's views on economics will help many poor and needy people. Which is something as a Christian that we are obligated to do.So overall I personally believe Obama is the better vote choice over McCain and I will still vote for him on voting day.
Well your choice but the differnce is yes we are all sinners but we can repent and strive not to sin..... A homosexual or a Abortin advocate will be punished and if you encourage it....by saying its ok ... you take partial responsiabily in Gods eyes and your idea of education is just Liberal double speak as I said in my previous post Presidents do not make Laws... congress does and the Lib strongly support abortion there is no education needed to understand murder. Thats like saying we should educate about homicide..And helping the poor is something everyone is concerned with Obamas plans will never happen they are campaign promises that America has no money to support.

 

[Byron-AW]

(tomwebster;62133)
Remember that when your wallet is empty. He will not be happy with just the "rick peoples" money. He wants to spread the wealth, ie. Socialism.
If I hear the freaking Joe Plumber spread the wealth situation again, Im gonna pull my hair out. Fox News, being as bias as they are, took those words and made into something else.His plan only affects those who make over 250,000 a year. Which I assure you can still live very comfortably, while others are in need of it.

 

[Christina]

If you belief as broke as this country is only those making over 250.000 a year will be taxed I got a bridge to sell you

Obama said 200,000 yesterday and Biden said 150,000 today the thing is they have no true idea yet. In the next couple weeks if the stock market falls which it will all those rich people will lose large parts of their money. So where is Obama going to get the money then????? Ill tell you he will have no choice but to raise taxes on everybody.Its a nobel sounding idea but its not feesable in a democracy it penalizes success thats why its Socialism

 

[Follower]

Barack "spread the wealth" Obama is running for president in a bad ecomony, of course he's not going to tell people he wants to raise their taxes. But, Obama is a socialist. He has the history to prove it, whatever his rhetoric is now. He wants to raise taxes on all the middle-class. He won't do it this year, but he'll do it when he gets a chance. Byron-AW, why do you come here and say such utter nonsense (or outright lies) about Obama constantly? He doesn't want to tax the middle-class. He wants to teach us that abortion is wrong. He only wants 5-year-olds to be taught about avoiding sexual predators. Etc.

 

[Byron-AW]

(Follower;62140)
Barack "spread the wealth" Obama is running for president in a bad ecomony, of course he's not going to tell people he wants to raise their taxes. But, Obama is a socialist. He has the history to prove it, whatever his rhetoric is now. He wants to raise taxes on all the middle-class. He won't do it this year, but he'll do it when he gets a chance. Byron-AW, why do you come here and say such utter nonsense (or outright lies) about Obama constantly? He doesn't want to tax the middle-class. He wants to teach us that abortion is wrong. He only wants 5-year-olds to be taught about avoiding sexual predators. Etc.
Because im not close-minded.

 

[waquinas]

while the idea sounds nice to those making less than $200000, the reality of taxing wealth is those are the people giving the less fortunate the jobs. Make it harder for those people to do that by increasing their taxes and you give then positive reinforcement to stop doing it. If you want to help those people, raising taxes on the wealthy is not the answer. And if the leader of our nation is not willing to make a stand to protect some of the weakess among us (the unborn) who else might he think does not deserve the right to life? The sick? Elderly? Mentally challenged? Even from a non-Christian view the devaluation of human life by claiming a group of us are not worth protecting should be alarming, especially coming from someone who says they want to lead us all.

 

[Christina]

(Byron-AW;62184)
Because im not close-minded.
Byron I think you are really torn between your head and your heart/soul you seem to be looking for logical reasons to do what your heart knows you should not.We have given you Gods word our personal opinions ,logic. And it doesn't seem to be giving you any peace or answers. I heard a report today by a minister. He was saying that we as Christians should pray hard for the answers and look for what Gods Word tells us. Because we can not trust Men. They will use our caring Christian nature to make us feel pity to those we disagree with, our friends will use our trust and caring for them to convince us to go along with them,the news media will spin everything to make their candidates look good and on and on The only one we can turn to for the right answers is God. Put your human reason aside read Gods Word and pray with your heart. You will do the right thing. If it wasnt important to you, I dont think you would be here asking.God Bless

 

[Follower]

(waquinas;62187)
while the idea sounds nice to those making less than $200000,
I'm not too worried about the wealthy. They have nearly 535 people in Congress to look after their interests, plus the president.
And if the leader of our nation is not willing to make a stand to protect some of the weakess among us (the unborn) who else might he think does not deserve the right to life?
Socialism, in full bloom, places no value on human life. People are just bricks for the government to use to build a better society. Those bricks which aren't helpful, or that have their own ideas, are disposed of.

 

[Byron-AW]

(Christina;62189)
Byron I think you are really torn between your head and your heart/soul you seem to be looking for logical reasons to do what your heart knows you should not.We have given you Gods word our personal opinions ,logic. And it doesn't seem to be giving you any peace or answers. I heard a report today by a minister. He was saying that we as Christians should pray hard for the answers and look for what Gods Word tells us. Because we can not trust Men. They will use our caring Christian nature to make us feel pity to those we disagree with, our friends will use our trust and caring for them to convince us to go along with them,the news media will spin everything to make their candidates look good and on and on The only one we can turn to for the right answers is God. Put your human reason aside read Gods Word and pray with your heart. You will do the right thing. If it wasnt important to you, I dont think you would be here asking.God Bless
Thank you for the kind words Christina. I think you are right. This has been bothering me a bit lately. Mainly due to the fact I do like Obama as a candidate and I do not like to see my fellow Christians say these hateful things towards him. I respect the fact you do not want to vote for him. I like McCain too to be honest, I just happen to agree with more issues with Obama. However I have gone through this before. I liked Obama from the start. But alot of Christians were saying he was not an appropriate candidate. Today I found some time from my school work to talk to a minister at my Catholic church. I asked him about it. He told me "Politics are one thing, but God is another. Try not to get too caught in politics and God for this can lead you to hate and malice towards your other fellow Christians. My advice to you is to pray to God fro wisdom in making your decision and put some thought into it yourself. Do what you think Gods tell you to do."I then spent some time in meditation praying after my exams. Though some of you may not agree with me, I feel compelled that God wants me to vote for Obama. I just feel it is the right decision for me.

 

[Jordan]

(Byron-AW;62184)
(Follower;62140)
Barack "spread the wealth" Obama is running for president in a bad ecomony, of course he's not going to tell people he wants to raise their taxes. But, Obama is a socialist. He has the history to prove it, whatever his rhetoric is now. He wants to raise taxes on all the middle-class. He won't do it this year, but he'll do it when he gets a chance. Byron-AW, why do you come here and say such utter nonsense (or outright lies) about Obama constantly? He doesn't want to tax the middle-class. He wants to teach us that abortion is wrong. He only wants 5-year-olds to be taught about avoiding sexual predators. Etc.
Because im not close-minded.Byron-AW, just giving you a warning, cause I love you.Everybody is close-minded and everybody is open-minded. If we are close-minded to God and open-minded to the world, then we open our heart to Satan and it will bring us unhappiness and misery and leads to death. (James 4:4)If we are close-minded to the world and open-minded to God, then the Lord will bring us love, mercy, peace etc and live life to the fullest. (John 8:32, John 8:36)We can't serve two masters, especially at the same time. (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13)We do not hate Obama. We hate what he believes and and actions of what he does and that beliefs. Obama hates Israel.Again I say this in warning cause I love you.

 

[Byron-AW]

(Jordan;62195)
Byron-AW, just giving you a warning, cause I love you.Everybody is close-minded and everybody is open-minded. If we are close-minded to God and open-minded to the world, then we open our heart to Satan and it will bring us unhappiness and misery and leads to death. (James 4:4)If we are close-minded to the world and open-minded to God, then the Lord will bring us love, mercy, peace etc and live life to the fullest. (John 8:32, John 8:36)We can't serve two masters, especially at the same time. (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13)We do not hate Obama. We hate what he believes and and actions of what he does and that beliefs. Obama hates Israel.Again I say this in warning cause I love you.
To be closeminded from either world or God loses reason all together.

 

[Jordan]

(Byron-AW;62217)
(Jordan;62195)
Byron-AW, just giving you a warning, cause I love you.Everybody is close-minded and everybody is open-minded. If we are close-minded to God and open-minded to the world, then we open our heart to Satan and it will bring us unhappiness and misery and leads to death. (James 4:4)If we are close-minded to the world and open-minded to God, then the Lord will bring us love, mercy, peace etc and live life to the fullest. (John 8:32, John 8:36)We can't serve two masters, especially at the same time. (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13)We do not hate Obama. We hate what he believes and and actions of what he does and that beliefs. Obama hates Israel.Again I say this in warning cause I love you.
To be closeminded from either world or God loses reason all together.Not completely true. God warns us what happen when we reason with Satan. (Isaiah 55:8-9, Proverbs 3:5-7)

 

[Byron-AW]

(Jordan;62225)
Not completely true. God warns us what happen when we reason with Satan. (Isaiah 55:8-9, Proverbs 3:5-7)
But the world is not Satan. Satan does not rule the world. He can merely interfere.

 

[Jordan]

(Byron-AW;62279)
(Jordan;62225)
Not completely true. God warns us what happen when we reason with Satan. (Isaiah 55:8-9, Proverbs 3:5-7)
But the world is not Satan. Satan does not rule the world. He can merely interfere.II Corinthians 4:4

 

[Byron-AW]

(Jordan;62285)
II Corinthians 4:4
The world Satan is describing is that of drug abuse, alcoholism, sex for pleasure, and other things our pop culture teaches us.Trying to pin Obama to these does not work. Oh wait let me guess? BUT HE WANTS TO TEACH SEX TO FIVE YEAR OLDS!As I said. Wrong! He wants to increase the amount of teaching for kids to avoid sex preditors. Which is something I WAS TAUGHT IN CATHOLIC SCHOOL!Oh and Follower if you come in again and blindly claim Obama wants our kids to "take it in the ass." Then please just keep it to yourself. Im not in the mood for reading anymore of your ignorant hate speeches.

 

[Jordan]

(Byron-AW;62289)
(Jordan;62285)
II Corinthians 4:4
The world Satan is describing is that of drug abuse, alcoholism, sex for pleasure, and other things our pop culture teaches us.Trying to pin Obama to these does not work. Oh wait let me guess? BUT HE WANTS TO TEACH SEX TO FIVE YEAR OLDS!As I said. Wrong! He wants to increase the amount of teaching for kids to avoid sex preditors. Which is something I WAS TAUGHT IN CATHOLIC SCHOOL!Oh and Follower if you come in again and blindly claim Obama wants our kids to "take it in the ass." Then please just keep it to yourself. Im not in the mood for reading anymore of your ignorant hate speeches.That's not going to work on me at all. If telling the Truth is a hate speech, so be it. Satan is more than that. Telling a lie is far worse. I have no need to replace the Truth with a lie. So I have no part to be of this world. (John 8:23, Matthew 13:22, Mark 4:19, Matthew 7:16-20, I John 4:1)