Canada, the new F35 fighter and Trump

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Canada should just go ahead with the prior already committed plans.

As in a month, they may not have fighters to defend the country, mentioned in the report.
Like who is going to attack Canada? But still.

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The Case For F-35s​

Simply put, there are no real fifth-generation alternatives for Western or partner militaries, to the F-35. While there are plenty of choices for fourth-generation jets, and upgraded versions known as 4.5 generation aircraft, all of the eggs for the most advanced generation of fighter aircraft are in the F-35 basket.


"There's no better military option," Blondin said.

Canada is expected to receive its first deliveries of F-35s next year but will have poured significant investment into putting the vast infrastructure in place in time for their arrival.

There are a host of other problems that Canada would court if it pulled out of the deal, from making it harder to work seamlessly with its allies to risking the wrath of Trump.

There is a pressing need for Canada to replace its moribund CF-18 fleet that cannot wait, experts say. Canada's Hornet aircraft have "been desperately in need of replacement for more than a decade," said Justin Bronk, a research fellow for airpower and military technology at the U.K.-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank.

"The Canadian fighter force can't wait for another fighter procurement process," Bronk told Newsweek. "They just can't wait."


Other F-35 nations operating the jets in Europe have reassured one another they are still committed to the fifth-generation fighter jet, a central European official involved in defense planning told Newsweek.

Dutch Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans said in March it was in the "interest of all" for the F-35 to succeed, while British Armed Forces Minister Luke Pollard insisted the U.K. "maintains the freedom of action to operate the F-35 Lightning at a time and place of our choosing."

The Pentagon had not signaled any intention that the U.S. would restrict the use of partner nations' F-35s, the central European official said.

The Case Against F-35s​

One school of thought suggests that Canada could supplement a handful of F-35s with a raft of fourth-generation fighters, like the Eurofighter Typhoon or French-made Rafale.

French President Emmanuel Macron appeared to allude to this in remarks earlier this year. "Those who buy the F-35, we must offer them the Rafale," he said.


Some analysts say a handful of F-35s could do enough to enhance a fleet of less advanced aircraft. Carney has signaled that Canada is on the hook for 16 of the 88 F-35s.

But fifth-generation jets are really needed to tackle the most sophisticated air defense systems wielded by an enemy, said Andrew Curtis, a retired air commodore in the U.K.'s Royal Air Force (RAF)—something a Rafale or a Typhoon couldn't do nearly as well.

"Militarily, the last thing you want to be doing these days is having mixed fleets," Curtis told Newsweek. "If Canada is committed to buying 16, the chances are they'll buy all 88."

Operating just a few F-35s—rather than the full 88—would mean a massive hike in how expensive each jet is for Canada, which would still have to put in place all of the infrastructure, Bronk added. Ottawa would then have to work out how to make sure supply chains, logistics and training for entirely different types of aircraft are there, too, Bronk said.


"I suspect what they will find is that there are no good alternatives to proceeding with the F-35 procurement as planned, and that the fighter force is just unable to wait," Bronk said.

If Canada axed the majority of the on-order F-35s, it would still take the better part of a decade to build an operational fleet made up of different jets, like Sweden's Gripen, Blondin said.

Referring to canceling much of the F-35 order, Blondin added: "If you do this, you better have something else to fly with or to defend your country, because, next month, you may not have an airplane to do it."

Current and former officials, as well as industry sources, say doubts over the F-35 are generating more interest in nascent, European-led sixth-generation fighter jet programs.

There are plans to build several different sixth-generation fighters, which could slowly come into service in the mid-2030s. The U.S. has its Next Generation Air Dominance program, with its F-47 manned fighter jet, but the U.K., Italy and Japan are jointly working on the Global Combat Air Program, or GCAP, initiative currently expected to bear fruit in 2035. France, Spain and Germany are working on a separate program, although it is further behind than GCAP.


The central European official said they expected more countries to want to have a look-in at the development of next-generation aircraft, and particularly to have their domestic industry contribute to sixth-generation programs.

"Could Canada, in its desire to diversify its economy [and] diversify its defense, get onboard a six-generation program?" Blondin said.

The GCAP program, for one, has had significant interest from across the world and would not necessarily exclude late entrants to the project, but there is an acknowledgment that the more parties involved, the slower the progress will be.

It's understood the workload has already been divvied up, meaning while it's not impossible for new countries to join GCAP, it is more likely nations coming in later would be involved in other parts of sixth-generation technology, such as drones, rather than the jet itself.


But the French, German and Spanish program to develop a sixth-gen fighter and drones to go with it, known as FCAS, is likely more interesting to Canada for the time being, said Blondin.

"Can we get our industry to work into companion drones; can we get our industry involved in all of this?" Blondin added. "This is probably where Canada needs to go."
 

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As we seen Trump say, that Canada should become another State of the USA !

Why ? did Trump mention such a thing ? well clearly Canada does not exist as a Military force, because it's been dominated by Criminal Socialist, who have Sold true Canadians out ! and down the drain ! for how many years now !

They must have a great Media Propaganda system in Canada, that most people swallow all that criminal Socialist Partys play on stupid gutless idiot fools !
Australia is the same ilk of total moronic gutless stupid moronic fools ! They swallow what the Media say as their god !

So Trump comes out and says the 51 State ? and most people think ! well Trump knows much more of what has been truly going on, that the Media will bother to tell the truth about ! for the media do not like the Truth in fact !

Canada is a dumping ground !
So was the USA under the Socialist criminals actions in fact !
Australia is a dumping ground as well for Islamic terrorist and no hoppers, that's who the Socialist love in fact !

They have been full on working to undermine the Nations People and Culture, outright bagging all of the past generations in fact ! and offering up a New normal ? that is pathetic good for nothing ! something that could never of made a Nation in the first place in fact !
A Nation of Slobs !
Slob building ! equal slobs !
New age man ! a boy man ! a woman who is something they do not promote the fact of, but for a token claim trendy dribble, playing up a Strong woman ? what is this angle tho really ? I see it peddled, She was a strong woman !
What is a strong woman ? a dictator type of dominating type that is idolised, nowadays ? on many TV shows ! like history of some ones forebears ? you see a woman of substance promoted as a Strong woman ? never a loving family woman ? not ever a Strong man ? he was a strong man or such truly at at all ! not that I give a rats who they were. but in regards to brainwashing workings of shows !

I had a mates 17yo daughter dictate to me that she was a strong woman ! inderpendant and does not need a man ! I just thought so what ! that is not a Virtue in fact ! Now if she said to me, that she wanted to have a faimly and put that above all ? I would be impressed, why ? because that is where a woman is truly saluted ! as a woman. no one could bag that ever ! not even the Devil himself ! devoted to rasing children with her man the best she can. that's fortitude it's self ! not just a stupid idiot boast of ignorance of being strong headed dimwit Nazi Communist Socialist type woman ! yes they were strong in the head brainwashed dupes in fact !
Just as we see nowadays being promoted !
Boy men who look to the Government for guidance, never Christ Jesus, because the Government do not promote Christ Jesus ever in fact ! because they want you as their Slaves !
 
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What do they call boy men now ? a new age guy ! or Metro sexual !

They claim to be more evolved !

That's how they see themselves in fact ! could they serve a woman and family ? No ! because they are not worthy of a Man in fact. they are to up themselves in fact, good old number one comes first, himself ! oh he playes the part nice guy ! but lacks Virtue and is a sook, his feeling for himself are top of the list.
Do not upset him, or Out comes the Malice !

Do schools teach about Malice ? that such is the lowest of the Low ! that only gutles good for nothing cowards take on. No it's promoted by Socialist in fact !
 

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RCAF is in rough shape, unfit for today
Aging aircraft, it is like you driving an old car, unreliable, not capable to defend.


Despite its strong capabilities, the CF-18 fleet is aging and facing increasing challenges. Acquired in the 1980s, these aircraft are now well past their prime. The prolonged service life of the CF-18s has led to higher maintenance costs and reduced reliability. Additionally, the jets' combat relevance is in decline, with outdated avionics and reduced survivability against modern air defenses.

Canada's defense commitments, both domestically and internationally, necessitate a modern and capable fighter fleet. Domestically, the CF-18s are vital for protecting Canadian airspace and supporting NORAD. With threats like Russia increasing its air activity and pushing further into the Arctic, Canada needs to maintain its defensive posture. Internationally, the CF-18's diminished combat effectiveness threatens Canada's ability to contribute meaningfully to NATO missions and collective defense should the need arise.
 
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China could easily take Canada and the US wouldn't do anything about it.




Real Christians don't talk like that... you should REPENT!
I seen that on a shirt the other day, wating in a line, I pointed out to my wife in ADF terms and a woman in front of us and just behind the dude with it, she was in the ADF. she looked back, she had seen it as well.
The Dude did not look back at all. I do not think he was With The Force at all ! needed a picture of Yoda with it.

But my wifes car has Toyoda on it.
 

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Video on the F35, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, both Russia and China are designing along the same ideas.

 

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As we seen Trump say, that Canada should become another State of the USA !

Why ? did Trump mention such a thing ? well clearly Canada does not exist as a Military force, because it's been dominated by Criminal Socialist, who have Sold true Canadians out ! and down the drain ! for how many years now !

They must have a great Media Propaganda system in Canada, that most people swallow all that criminal Socialist Partys play on stupid gutless idiot fools !
Australia is the same ilk of total moronic gutless stupid moronic fools ! They swallow what the Media say as their god !

So Trump comes out and says the 51 State ? and most people think WTF ! well Trump knows much more of what has been truly going on, that the Media will bother to tell the truth about ! for the media do not like the Truth in fact !

Canada is a dumping ground !
So was the USA under the Socialist criminals actions in fact !
Australia is a dumping ground as well for Islamic terrorist and no hoppers, that's who the Socialist love in fact !

They have been full on working to undermine the Nations People and Culture, outright bagging all of the past generations in fact ! and offering up a New normal ? that is pathetic good for nothing ! something that could never of made a Nation in the first place in fact !
A Nation of Slobs !
Slob building ! equal slobs !
New age man ! a boy man ! a woman who is something they do not promote the fact of, but for a token claim trendy dribble, playing up a Strong woman ? what is this angle tho really ? I see it peddled, She was a strong woman !
What is a strong woman ? a dictator type of dominating type that is idolised, nowadays ? on many TV shows ! like history of some ones forebears ? you see a woman of substance promoted as a Strong woman ? never a loving family woman ? not ever a Strong man ? he was a strong man or such truly at at all ! not that I give a rats who they were. but in regards to brainwashing workings of shows !

I had a mates 17yo daughter dictate to me that she was a strong woman ! inderpendant and does not need a man ! I just thought so what ! that is not a Virtue in fact ! Now if she said to me, that she wanted to have a faimly and put that above all ? I would be impressed, why ? because that is where a woman is truly saluted ! as a woman. no one could bag that ever ! not even the Devil himself ! devoted to rasing children with her man the best she can. that's fortitude it's self ! not just a stupid idiot boast of ignorance of being strong headed dimwit Nazi Communist Socialist type woman ! yes they were strong in the head brainwashed dupes in fact !
Just as we see nowadays being promoted !
Boy men who look to the Government for guidance, never Christ Jesus, because the Government do not promote Christ Jesus ever in fact ! because they want you as their Slaves !
Left wing owned propaganda media, as well as the education system is run by air-headed Godless lefties. Together they have indoctrinated and infected the people from their youth up.
 

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RCAF is in rough shape, unfit for today
Aging aircraft, it is like you driving an old car, unreliable, not capable to defend.


Despite its strong capabilities, the CF-18 fleet is aging and facing increasing challenges. Acquired in the 1980s, these aircraft are now well past their prime. The prolonged service life of the CF-18s has led to higher maintenance costs and reduced reliability. Additionally, the jets' combat relevance is in decline, with outdated avionics and reduced survivability against modern air defenses.

Canada's defense commitments, both domestically and internationally, necessitate a modern and capable fighter fleet. Domestically, the CF-18s are vital for protecting Canadian airspace and supporting NORAD. With threats like Russia increasing its air activity and pushing further into the Arctic, Canada needs to maintain its defensive posture. Internationally, the CF-18's diminished combat effectiveness threatens Canada's ability to contribute meaningfully to NATO missions and collective defense should the need arise.
Unfortunately I'm not sure there are any grown-ups in the Liberal government here to talk some sense to, though I wish someone would at least try. Conservative voters have always been concerned about the state of our military, but the Liberals would rather spend the tax-payers hard-earned tax revenue on cleaning up human excrement on the beaches of third world countries. They are beyond belief.
 

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LOL...Like Trump would let that happen. China will not dare to attack even Taiwan on his watch
Hope you are right. Amazing how fallen man is like the animals....comes down to who is loudest when beating their chest, or who has the biggest set of antlers, lol. "Man is like the beasts that perish." The longer I live the more I see and observe how true God's word is.
 

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China could easily take Canada and the US wouldn't do anything about it.
Don't bet on that. Especially with President Trump at the helm.

Besides the resources that would be compromised, China would occupy all territory that aligns with America's northern border. And, stands between us and our 49th state , Alaska.



Real Christians don't talk like that... you should REPENT!
Have you read the remarks of others here who identify as Christian? By your judgement there aren't many of us here.
 

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Don't bet on that. Especially with President Trump at the helm.

Besides the resources that would be compromised, China would occupy all territory that aligns with America's northern border. And, stands between us and our 49th state , Alaska.




Have you read the remarks of others here who identify as Christian? By your judgement there aren't many of us here.
Yes it's more like Trump is pointing out that the USA will not let Canada be taken over by China in fact ! nor will Russia have a go at Canada !

Why did trump say about making Canada the 50th State ? well because they have been undermined by cunning workings of Communist with in Canada who hate Canadians in fact, they have said so publicly ! and walked all over the true generations of Canadians in fact ! stomping them down.

But the Propagander arm must be so great in Canada, so as to pull the wool over their eyes ! with total BS deceptions that are just pathetic ! Like what moron would think that the USA would let Communist China take Canada ? one must be a total outright moron, an act like that would so greatly undermine the USA in fact ! now who is so stupid not to understand that very fact !

So if as it stands the Communist who are controling Canada, will not be alowed to let China take it over ! or Trump will make Canada the 50th State !
So Canadians have to understand the facts, you are and have been sold out by your own Government for years in fact by cunning Socialist, the same with USA was under Obama and Biden ! as is Australia and Europe, Played for fools !

One Canadia on here is under such delusions of the propaganda hype machine ! It comes from the MSM here as well, many swallow it whole and start running about like Henny Penny ! or they are Communist ! Communist believe all of that type of nonsense in fact.

I know people here in this town who are Communist, they swallow it all !
I said the MSM is a whore. and what do I get back, No it's Not !

They Idolise the Media full on in fact, for without this god of their's, they are totaly Lost !
The MSM teaches them what and how to think in fact !
They are programed like a robot !

They even believe in "The new normal !" Like This is the new Normal ? Idiots are programed to swallow such pathetic dribble ! like oh Hitler is back in a Davros Daleks thing. Oh it's just the new normal.

The MSM say it's the new normal and it's like a switch in their head. and Bang ! and so Sodomites become their gods ! Child Sacrfice is another one of their gods ! Schools programed into molesting Childrens minds with outright depravity forced on them totaly ! you name it !
It's like as if Hitler could just walk into ones Nation and play any trick in the book and the majority will swallow it all, Just like they did in Germany in fact !

Not to mention if anyone has their own opinion nowadays ? who is it that says you are not alowed to have an opinion or else ? That's how pathetinc people have became in fact, that they do bow down to all such in fact !

Fact is, as if Hitler was in Power, all you Socialist would bow down like a dog for the likes of him in fact !