Catholics: What does it mean to pray to Mary?

[PS95]

I believe Yeshua is a God.

I see. Nope.

I disagree.

"He can't be God unless He always existed and He created the heavens and the earth because those things are true about God."
How could anyone disagree with that? Is this a joke? I don't understand this.

I am not disagreeing with scripture....just that it is not that simple.

Well I know of what I speak... on that verse. It's true that it could technically be translated either way, but when we look at the context it can only be the one way. Otherwise it's all baloney. If you want to believe like a JW- then you will have to accept that archangel Michael is Jesus and the Word. Hebrews in very clear that Jesus was not an angel. (a god to a Jw.)
Let's go even further into Jw teachings..
God implanted Michael's life-force into Mary's ovum.
Michael, then went out of existence.
Jesus took over but when He was crucified, Michaels' life force left Jesus and thereby God had to re-create Michael.
Jesus the man is dead forever- His body never rose. It likely dissolved into gases.

If you would like full documentation of that JW rubbish I can give it to you.

Again take a flying leap
Yeshua is not named in the Old Testament...Yahweh specifically says He is the only God several times.

True. YHWH does say that. And it's true. - and Yeshua's name is not used in the OT. Why would it be? He was not named that yet!
Yeshua is the new Covenant name and the only name one we need. See my earlier post for more

No. the word Trinity is not in the Bible and Yahweh and Yeshua are identified as 2
Gods in the Gospels. Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God formula as false.

That word is not in the bible. I agree. Boy, have I heard this argument before.
The path & the concept certainly is. It is like a slow revealing. Unless, you want to deny what is plainly written and I ahve seen you do that before. I can send you a lot. I will send it via msg if you wish me to. Just msg me and I will get back to you with it all asap. I have to dig it all out. It's a very large amount. I do not mind at all.
If you have your mind all made up ( as it seems you might) then please do not waste my time, ok? I must say I have noticed that you can really stick to your guns about some crazy things on here. Hope you are more open on this.

 

[LittleTuneAlright]

Catholics: What does it mean to pray to Mary?​

hoping to find a partner that'll have you?

Its not that...its whether they will stay..lol

 

[Grailhunter]

YHWH on the earth was Yeshua. He was the Word who became flesh.

nope

For me, yes.

Then YHWH rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YHWH out of heaven; Gen 19:24

YHWH on the earth was Yeshua. He was the Word who became flesh. This destruction was brought upon them by YHWH the Son of God, who had appeared to Abraham in an human form, who warned him, and He heard pleas for those cities, and then left from him to Sodom. The fire and brimstone was rained by him from YHWH his Father, out of heaven; and so the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem both call him, the Word of the Lord. If you read it all carefully you will see that the other two men are described as angels while this one was not.
The Son, who had conversed with Abraham, from the Father & for the Father who has committed all judgment to the Son. He our Savior but will also be the destroyer of those who reject His salvation.

Yeshua means YHWH is salvation, as you probably know. The New Covenant name needed is Yeshua- and no longer YHWH- because
* God IS our salvation-and that salvation is only found in His Son. * Ps 68:19, 79:9, 25:5, 27:9, 89:26, 62:6

There is no other name we need but His- Acts 4:10-12

, 10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. 12And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among mankind by which we must be saved.”

Phil 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


There isn't one because Yeshua did not become a god.
Mary gave birth to Jesus who was both her son & God's son.
He had the nature of his mother- human, and the nature of His Father- God.

It's not possible to have the fullness of diety in Him and be called a god.

Col 1:19
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Col 2:9
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

2 Cor 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

I am worried about your school because it appears that you came out of it defending the RCC's Mary teachings, but awful confusion about God and His Son. That's odd. Where did you go?
You seem to have a God and a god like the JWs. What a nightmare they are. I was raised as one.
Just believe the verses I have given you. There are many many more!! Been there done that!

nope

 

[Zao is life]

Here is what the "cult of Mary" teaches.

Question:

Why we should pray to mother Mary ? ?????

Answer:​

Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother..a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.

I know we all have a spiritual Father - God. But if anyone was our "spiritual mother", that would be Eve, because she is "the mother of all living". Except that no human being has a "spiritual" mother.

John 19
25 And His mother stood by the cross of Jesus, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 Then when Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, Woman, behold your son!
27 Then He said to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her into his own home.

Jesus was telling John to look after His mother. Not all the disciples - John. She was a widow.

Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16–18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in Heaven ?

No one reigns with Christ in heaven. He alone reigns in heaven. John was speaking to the churches on earth in a region called Asia by the Romans (modern-day Turkey) when he said,

Revelation 1
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is coming; and from the seven spirits which are before His throne;
5 even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

God created human beings with a body, soul and breathed His life - His Spirit into them - and the created humans become souls that are alive.

When the body of someone who is in Christ dies, the apostle of Christ taught us that the soul of that person goes to be with Christ and will be limbless while waiting for the resurrection of their bodies from the dead. They are "away from home out of the body" but "at home with Christ". God did not create a human being with multiple bodies.​

We should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus.

Nowhere does scripture present any created human being who has died as bringing our prayers to Jesus. It is a doctrinal, non-scriptural lie. Scripture tells us explicitly and unambiguously that the only mediator between God and man is the Man Jesus Christ. Scripture also tells us explicitly and unambiguously that He alone and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us in our prayers to God - and when He was on earth the Son of God taught His disciples to make their requests known to God the Father and to pray to the Father in His name.

But we should not be surprised that these sorts of doctrinal lies are told by the church/es of Christ. There are many other lies told by churches with other titles besides the doctrinal lies told by your own denomination being expressed by yourself above.​

..the Lamb and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven.

Nowhere in scripture do we see saints praying to dead people. They always pray to God the Father. The apostles of Christ taught all churches founded by them to do so.​

Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence . We should not be surprised that she is our Preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

Mary is the woman who have birth to the Son of God when the Word of God became flesh. The Word of God CREATED ALL THINGS - WHICH INCLUDES Mary and the mother of Mary. GOD has no mother.

In the Word of God was life and the life is the light of men. God alone has life in Himself and the Son of God alone has life in Himself. No created human being - Mary or any other has life in itself. Our life is in God and He has no mother. Mary's life was in Christ. He exists from long long before the creation of Adam and Eve whom He CREATED - who are the ancestors of Mary. He exists from eternity to eternity.

Mary has a mother. Jesus the Man has a mother. God the Word has no mother. Your titles are blasphemous - EXTREMELY blasphemous - and are a lie.
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Thank you for reminding me why I will never again set foot in your cult-church.

 

[PGS11]

Anyone do this and answer this one question what is wrong with her and the bible and should it be the way it is.Should it be like that?It should be the pure love of God and its not.Why isn't it like that if God gave it to us.Why is there that ugliness in the bible can anyone explain that because I see it there.Its ugly to me oh but it is beautiful don't go there I will cry at even the though of God real word. all you have to do is see it tainted and you view of Mary will change.It will change your view big time it will look ugly to you now - you can't remove that it not even in our own language.That why our language on earth is not ours- is mixed right up and hard to understand made ugly that way on purpose.None of it can be translated into the word of God.Our real language is the word of God which we don't speak. I speak it I now.The real word was taken from us and this language was used against us to believe what we believe.I just opened a huge door of understanding here.

 

[PGS11]

Can anyone see truth in my post or am I wrong.Just answer yes or no to this one question.

 

[marks]

Can anyone see truth in my post or am I wrong.Just answer yes or no to this one question.

Are you asking about post 45? I don't understand it.

Much love!

 

[PGS11]

Are you asking about post 45? I don't understand it.

Much love!

No one will be able to read this but you I know you and you know me this what we have to do i wanted to point in the right direction.You want it too you didn't understand and now you will now I made it that way.Just say what I tell you in the word of God back to me you know what I want.I need to be grounded just a little favour.I might not be here might have to wait a bit for me to come back.You can speak to me if you want I am sending now I am talking to you.

 

[marks]

No one will be able to read this but you I know you and you know me this what we have to do i wanted to point in the right direction.You want it too you didn't understand and now you will now I made it that way.Just say what I tell you in the word of God back to me you know what I want.I need to be grounded just a little favour.I might not be here might have to wait a bit for me to come back.You can speak to me if you want I am sending now I am talking to you.

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Much love!

 

[PGS11]

That ok you will now you can't see it yet.I can't do anything now I will.I'm good.

 

[marks]

That ok you will now you can't see it yet.I can't do anything now I will.I'm good.

Be blessed!

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

Here is what the "cult of Mary" teaches.

Question:

Why we should pray to mother Mary ? ?????

Answer:​

Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother..a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.

Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16–18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in Heaven ?

We should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus...the Lamb and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven.

Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence . We should not be surprised that she is our Preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

Ahhhhh, the wine of Babylon!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I believe Yeshua is a God.

No, scripture says that He is God, not "a God". What religion are you affiliated with? Christianity teaches that Jesus is God.

Do you understand that He is "The Word", who is God and who was made flesh?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.....15 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Jesus existed before Abraham, proving that He is God. The Great I Am.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus said it this way purposely. Not just to show that He existed before Abraham, but to show that He is "I Am".

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

No. the word Trinity is not in the Bible and Yahweh and Yeshua are identified as 2
Gods in the Gospels. Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God formula as false.

That just proves that you misinterpret at least over a hundred scriptures.

Scripture is clear that there is only on God. Jesus said "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

This last verse shows that there is one God, which you deny, and scripture says that Jesus is God. He is God and man at the same time.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, scripture says that He is God, not "a God". What religion are you affiliated with? Christianity teaches that Jesus is God.

The difference between the one God fomula for the Trinity and three God formula for the Trinity.
Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God Formula wrong.
And I am a formally educated Theologian.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

One God in the Old Testament for sure and then He had a Son.
The One God formula is a Roman Catholic invention.

 

[PS95]

nope



nope

That's ok. it's just my opinion. It's not a big deal. Like I've said- What I can offer you is a Ton of scriptures to go over.

 

[quietthinker]

Catholics: What does it mean to pray to Mary?​

It means one has not seen (understood) Jesus.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The difference between the one God fomula for the Trinity and three God formula for the Trinity.
Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God Formula wrong.

I showed you several scriptures saying there is only one God. Are those not in your Bible?

And I am a formally educated Theologian.

Is this supposed to be impressive? It's not. That means nothing to me. That just means you've been taught wrong. You need to be taught by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:9-16).

One God in the Old Testament for sure and then He had a Son.

Are these verses in the Old Testament:

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The One God formula is a Roman Catholic invention.

Nonsense. So, when Paul said "there is one God" you don't accept that? When James said believing there is one God is correct, you don't accept that? James said that even the demons know there is one God. Why don't you know that?

 

[Grailhunter]

That's ok. it's just my opinion. It's not a big deal. Like I've said- What I can offer you is a Ton of scriptures to go over.

I have over a hundred scriptures in Christ own words that prove the one God formula wrong
And as far as the pre-existing Christ....I know what the scriptures say and it is apparently not that simple because Yeshua does not show up in the Old Testament.

 

[PS95]

I have over a hundred scriptures in Christ own words that prove the one God formula wrong
And as far as the pre-existing Christ....I know what the scriptures say and it is apparently not that simple because Yeshua does not show up in the Old Testament.

Was He lying when He said, "I came down from heaven"?
Just because you can't see Him now in the OT doesn't mean He isn't there.
Sounds like your alternative would be He is an angel. Yet, Hebrews 1 clearly tells us He is not.
and no angel created ALL things. All means ALL. -(Col 1, John 1)- that includes angels who were created by Him and for Him.

Or I suppose you could go with the Word of God was just an "It"
That wont work well out either.

So you're left with the SON OF GOD on earth from earth. and nothing more.. which defies Jesus' very own words about Himself. We know He isn't a liar. As well the apostles teachings.

What is left? It is a mystery as Paul said in Timothy isn't it? Pray about it. and continue praying about it. That's what I did along with reading my bible. No man taught me. I could not trust anyone. to teach me again.

 

[Grailhunter]

Just because you can't see Him now in the OT doesn't mean He isn't there.

I like religious beliefs about what is not in the scriptures.

Sounds like your alternative would be He is an angel. Yet, Hebrews 1 clearly tells us He is not.

You know that is not what I said. He said the Father is Greater than I.
And then the 50 "My Father" scriptures.....and from there a hundred more that prove the one God formula.