how or why is it that many Christians have a problem accepting that on a certain 24hr day in an instant out of dust God raised up a fully evolved human being - these same Christians have no problem with that on a certain day[the last day]in an instant out of dust God will raise up thousands of fully evolved human beings = no evolution - any comments - twinc
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The"christians" who have that problem do not believe the word of God...some people in order to play both sides have suggested that evolution was God's method of creation...if evolution in the classic sense were true the fossil record would be littered transitional species.The Bible says that" in the beginning God created" it says he said "let there be light,and there was light" it doesn't say that he said let there be light and gradually it became light....the lanquage used in the Bible indicates the command was given and"it was so"...we all have a choice...belive God or not.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
for Catholics the literal and obvious sense must always be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise - winc
Strat ,you wrote : "The Bible says that" in the beginning God created" it says he said "let there be light,and there was light" it doesn't say that he said let there be light and gradually it became light....the lanquage used in the Bible indicates the command was given and"it was so"...we all have a choice...belive God or not. "
How could there be three days and three nights before there was a sun ?
How could there be three days and three nights before there was a sun ?
why not - it seems you make no difference between light and sunlight - there was light before the sun and will be after the sun - winc
God could in an instant create a fully mature earth and universe. That is not how He chose to do it. How about the scripture about casting down all vain imaginations that boast themselves against the truth of God. Isn't that what the scripture says?
How did Jesus walk on water ? to have faith in God one must at some point abandon all he or she beleives to be reality and accept God as the God of reality...to change its laws and boundries at will...if i toss a stone into the air i fully expect it to fall to the ground.....the stone falling upward is alien to me but i must by faith accept that if God willed it so it could happen.
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How did Jesus walk on water ? to have faith in God one must at some point abandon all he or she beleives to be reality and accept God as the God of reality...to change its laws and boundries at will...if i toss a stone into the air i fully expect it to fall to the ground.....the stone falling upward is alien to me but i must by faith accept that if God willed it so it could happen.
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How did Jesus walk on water ? to have faith in God one must at some point abandon all he or she beleives to be reality and accept God as the God of reality...to change its laws and boundries at will...if i toss a stone into the air i fully expect it to fall to the ground.....the stone falling upward is alien to me but i must by faith accept that if God willed it so it could happen.
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why not - it seems you make no difference between light and sunlight - there was light before the sun and will be after the sun - winc
You missed my point, of course I believe God can do anything ,including the miracle of changing Bread into His Body, Blood , Soul and Divinity .
What I was attempting to illustrate was that people who read this myth [ " myth" used here is not a synonym for fiction ] A myth is dealing with reality but not an event in recorded history. So instead of saying that myth grows out of an event let us say that it grows out of an experience--- an experience of trying to understand realities which are beyond our comphehension.
Can you see what problems would arise for a person who mistook the creation myth in Genesis for an historic or scientific account ?
How did Jesus walk on water ? to have faith in God one must at some point abandon all he or she beleives to be reality and accept God as the God of reality...to change its laws and boundries at will...if i toss a stone into the air i fully expect it to fall to the ground.....the stone falling upward is alien to me but i must by faith accept that if God willed it so it could happen.
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How did Jesus walk on water ? to have faith in God one must at some point abandon all he or she beleives to be reality and accept God as the God of reality...to change its laws and boundries at will...if i toss a stone into the air i fully expect it to fall to the ground.....the stone falling upward is alien to me but i must by faith accept that if God willed it so it could happen.
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why not - it seems you make no difference between light and sunlight - there was light before the sun and will be after the sun - winc
You missed my point, of course I believe God can do anything ,including the miracle of changing Bread into His Body, Blood , Soul and Divinity .
What I was attempting to illustrate was that people who read this myth [ " myth" used here is not a synonym for fiction ] A myth is dealing with reality but not an event in recorded history. So instead of saying that myth grows out of an event let us say that it grows out of an experience--- an experience of trying to understand realities which are beyond our comphehension.
Can you see what problems would arise for a person who mistook the creation myth in Genesis for an historic or scientific account ?
I know of no other historical and/or scientific accounts that come close to the degree of accuracy the Scriptures do when it comes to origins. As a matter of fact 'origins' is not even in the realm of empirical science.
Unfortunately for most "Bible Alone" believers who are motivated by a deep love for the Lord want to hear His word. Many read the Bible , having learned the forms of the letters , but not the forms of the Books. As a result they are unable to understand what they are reading. A person must take the time to learn the literary forms which are contained in the library which we call the Bible, then the living word becomes much more understandable.
-- "Most?" LOL
Sorry Neo, but your arrogance does not give you the qualifictions to make such a blanket claim. Period.
Just the opposite; denying... God's creation and attempting to insert a pagan doctrine in its place instead.
A MYSTERY:
The theory of evolution did NOT originate with Darwin and man's science.
Evolution theory originated from pagan occultism.
The completed mystery is how today's evolutionists leave off the very last stage of progressive evolutioin from pagan occultism, on purpose. Their last stage is evolving from a human to become a 'god'. That's what the original occultic idea was about, and where today's movement to 'force' false theories of evolution upon innocent children comes from.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Source?
All we can go on is the evidence that is before us. Not one credible geologist or earth scientist believes in a 6 day creation. Then there are the experts who study ancient literature.....all of them believe the creation story in Genesis is a common retelling of creation of the culture during the time period it belongs to.
I happen to believe it is inspired by God and that perhaps it was an account of a mystical vision by Moses, but I could be wrong. The real question is, why do you care? Is the story less inspired if it is not a literal account? Who would want to demand such a modern standard for an ancient piece of writing? Are you really going to argue with God about it, if He tells you that it is just a story about His sovereignty?
Most importantly, believing in a literal account of the Genesis Creation account, despite the evidence against such an interpretation, has nothing to do with our salvation. If you say it does, you may be guilty of adding to the requirements of salvation.
here we go again with pseudo science dogmatism - there is no up or down in space or God's world and humans without batting an eyelid are walking at various angles and even upside down - btw I believe in the literal interprertation of Genesis and it is no problem to me - winc
As this famous Catholic named Galileo put it: "The purpose of revelation [ the correct "One" True Interpretation of Holy Scripture ] is to tell us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."
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