Christ is the head of the church, all others are usurpers.

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David H.

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And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Ephesians 1:22-23)

The Church is the Body of Christ, He is the head of the Body. All the gifts of the Spirit operate as members of the same Body but the hand is not the head, neither is the foot the head of the Body. When Men try to place themselves as the head of the body, as the intermediary between God and man they are acting as Usurpers. They are putting themselves in the place of Christ as an authority over other members of the body.

This comes in many forms from preachers to theologians to Popes and priests. It is the very real danger and temptation we all face when the Holy Spirit Gives us unction to speak. That is to assume that we are more than we are, more than members of the same Body to whom the Spirit has imparted gifts. Greater than other parts of the body. Someone the church cannot live without. In other words, a man puffed up to think he is God because of the divine revelation given him. A Usurper of the authority and glory due to God.

In Scripture, the term Nicolaitan means literally to rule over the laity/people. Jesus "hates" this and any who think they can usurp the Glory due Him, the head, are on Jesus' hate list. He will eventually remove these people from Authority, remove their unction and Gifts and knock them off of their pedestal of Pride and remove their power over the people. We see this in falling of preachers all the time, and the replacing of the priesthood when corruption takes over the church led by men, which has not made Christ the head of the church and instead elevates men and the doctrines of men to that Authority.
 
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And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Ephesians 1:22-23)

The Church is the Body of Christ, He is the head of the Body. All the gifts of the Spirit operate as members of the same Body but the hand is not the head, neither is the foot the head of the Body. When Men try to place themselves as the head of the body, as the intermediary between God and man they are acting as Usurpers. They are putting themselves in the place of Christ as an authority over other members of the body.

This comes in many forms from preachers to theologians to Popes and priests. It is the very real danger and temptation we all face when the Holy Spirit Gives us unction to speak. That is to assume that we are more than we are, more than members of the same Body to whom the Spirit has imparted gifts. Greater than other parts of the body. Someone the church cannot live without. In other words, a man puffed up to think he is God because of the divine revelation given him. A Usurper of the authority and glory due to God.

In Scripture, the term Nicolaitan means literally to rule over the laity/people. Jesus "hates" this and any who think they can usurp the Glory due Him, the head, are on Jesus' hate list. He will eventually remove these people from Authority, remove their unction and Gifts and knock them off of their pedestal of Pride and remove their power over the people. We see this in falling of preachers all the time, and the replacing of the priesthood when corruption takes over the church led by men, which has not made Christ the head of the church and instead elevates men and the doctrines of men to that Authority.

Well put David, and I agree. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to a brick and mortar building on Sundays. When a church does NOT EVER encourage their congregants to read to bible, know the Word, study to show yourself approved...look out, they don't want them knowing the truth, "they" want to keep them under their thumb. Oh how they will pay for leading so many down the wrong path.
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In other words, a man puffed up to think he is God because of the divine revelation given him. A Usurper of the authority and glory due to God.
Yes, the leader of the church is to be humble, knowing that they are a gift from Jesus to others, not because they are so grand, but because God is pleased to use foolish ones.

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Well put David, and I agree. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to a brick and mortar building on Sundays. When a church does NOT EVER encourage their congregants to read to bible, know the Word, study to show yourself approved...look out, they don't want them knowing the truth, "they" want to keep them under their thumb. Oh how they will pay for leading so many down the wrong path.
Thanks for sharing!
I really miss my brick and mortar church, because the leadership, and so many of the others, it was about giving, and loving. My previous pastor, now with Jesus, was the most loving man I've ever known, and I'm so thankful for being able to get to know this man, and to participate in the serving through that body.

And I feel all the more strongly for that experience about those who fake it, who fake the spiritual understanding, who fake the gifts of the Spirit, who talk like they are loving and spiritual and are really about their own self-affirmations. Something we all should guard against, I think!

Much love!
 
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@David H.
Well put David, and I agree. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to a brick and mortar building on Sundays. When a church does NOT EVER encourage their congregants to read to bible, know the Word, study to show yourself approved...look out, they don't want them knowing the truth, "they" want to keep them under their thumb. Oh how they will pay for leading so many down the wrong path.
Thanks for sharing!
Indeed, the purpose of a real minister as per what Paul wrote in Eph 4:11ff should be to work himself out of a job for those receiving from him.

Some people want to have some person leading them always... and some leaders never want to lose all of their following.

What does God want?
 
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@David H.

Indeed, the purpose of a real minister as per what Paul wrote in Eph 4:11ff should be to work himself out of a job for those receiving from him.

Some people want to have some person leading them always... and some leaders never want to lose all of their following.

What does God want?
@David H.

Indeed, the purpose of a real minister as per what Paul wrote in Eph 4:11ff should be to work himself out of a job for those receiving from him.

Some people want to have some person leading them always... and some leaders never want to lose all of their following.

What does God want?

It is funny brother, how many have gotten themselves to believe they can swoop into Gods grace on the coattails of a "man".

God simply wants us to listen to Jesus, IMHO! :)
 
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It is funny brother, how many have gotten themselves to believe they can swoop into Gods grace on the coattails of a "man".

God simply wants us to listen to Jesus, IMHO! :)
Hi @Nancy ; we should listen to that 'still, small voice' (1 Kings 19.12), right? :)