Cognitive Bias and Dissonance

[JohnDB]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

 

[amigo de christo]

sadly in the book of the harlots interfaith
it reads as follows .
and that since the day you sat under us
ye have believed the false love doctrine
which are able to decieve you through faith in another jesus
created of men , all doctrine of this interfaith is
inspired of anti christ and is profitable for squat didly do
for lies and deceptions
for correcting the true the lambs who DO CORRECT , for instruction in all unrighteousness
so that the man of interfaith may be equipped unto all delusion to believe a lie .

 

[Marvelloustime]

sadly in the book of the harlots interfaith
it reads as follows .
and that since the day you sat under us
ye have believed the false love doctrine
which are able to decieve you through faith in another jesus
created of men , all doctrine of this interfaith is
inspired of anti christ and is profitable for squat didly do
for lies and deceptions
for correcting the true the lambs who DO CORRECT , for instruction in all unrighteousness
so that the man of interfaith may be equipped unto all delusion to believe a lie .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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AMEN .

 

[Marvelloustime]

AMEN .

Brother @amigo de christo marches on.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[David in NJ]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

Media call for Ministry of Truth

Oct 16, 2024 - Yudi Sherman - Americans largely unaware of agency functioning as ministry of truth within US government

www.thegoldreport.com

 

[JohnDB]

Y'all need to watch the video on X to understand how pervasive these errant thought processes are and can be.

Watch it instead of promoting your favorite pet theology.

 

[David in NJ]

Y'all need to watch the video on X to understand how pervasive these errant thought processes are and can be.

Watch it instead of promoting your favorite pet theology.

HEY Now, don't make fun of God!!!

'Pet theology' began in Genesis

 

[David in NJ]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

The Book of Romans must haunt you as well.

 

[David in NJ]

Cognitive bias is the tendency to act in an irrational way due to our limited ability to process information objectively. It is not always negative, but it can cloud our judgment and affect how clearly we perceive situations, people, or potential risks.

Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person feels when their behavior does not align with their values or beliefs.
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a person holds two contradictory beliefs at the same time.

Can you name some people in the Bible who suffered from these?

 

[David in NJ]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

Cognitive bias is the tendency to act in an irrational way due to our limited ability to process information objectively. It is not always negative, but it can cloud our judgment and affect how clearly we perceive situations, people, or potential risks.

Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person feels when their behavior does not align with their values or beliefs.
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a person holds two contradictory beliefs at the same time.

Can you name some people in the Bible who suffered from these?

 

[dev553344]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

Hello @JohnDB! Good to hear from you.

I have been learning about the addictive nature of hate and how it is an illness from most likely "childhood injury" including discrimination and bullying, abusive people, including ourselves once the injury has afflicted our souls. It is therefore a contagion that only God can heal us of. Some people attempt to go to others for that healing and perhaps God provides that for them in such instances?

The master-servant relationship is along those lines of the dark spiritual eye illness of hate. It is not always easy to spot, but it can come out in negative language against others, and sometimes used against someone outside a conversation while attempting to befriend those in the conversation, we call gossip.

The master-servant area is most likely more described as a man-beast relationship in that the slave is not considered the same rights or level of respect of the master. I think probably slaves are not regarded as human but rather thought of and treated as property like animals.

And that is the general ideas of those dark areas of the spiritual cities of Egypt talked about in the bible. We see that today in the media and news stories regarding crimes against children and adults, elderly when treated that way. There is some evidence of that in the bible if a person is willing to take an honest look at that.

I looked at the X.com video and that didn't appear to describe the illness in that nature. I think she was describing the idea that comes up in denial of sinful, immoral and unethical beliefs and behavior. And that is a relative term for the individual themselves. If they are taught, and accept that something is sub-human or shameful in behavior or thought and even directed feeling of the heart then perhaps those things might injure them in some way if witnessed or engaged in themselves. Beliefs can be good or evil. And God certainly has given us direction and commandments for behaviors in the old and new testament. And God created us in the image of him and them and knows what is human moral and ethical behavior for us as his children.

False beliefs can be difficult to accept that our beliefs are false. We can sometimes be convinced back and forth by the cunning of those that are directing towards evil. And we see that in some of society today, with the decay of morality. In fact, God has changed some of my incorrect beliefs taught to me thru teachers of men. It can be depressing to accept that our religious beliefs are wrong. I went thru that when I accepted some of the evil that was acted against me by the LDS church person in authority of groups I was involved in. It did hurt and was depressing, and God eventually rescued me towards a true doctrine. And also God supplies love, joy peace and all the good happy fruits described thru Paul in Galatians 5:22-25.

Therefore I would caution people about the psychology science as some of those ideas can be used to direct towards either good under God or evil towards Satan. Like guilt and accusations of denial. Which I think was part of the message in the X.com video.

 

[dev553344]

@JohnDB I would like to add as far as seeing people in the master and servant mode of afflicted souls, there is the old analogy of piloting an aircraft. There is upward, horizontal and downward attitude adjustments that maintain altitude. So I do see some false god worship perhaps in the admiration of social media persons like singers and actors and other talk show persons including the rich and elite and other not described persons.

God did in fact create the children all different obviously with differences in appearance, genetics and abilities, and that is part of the Judgment area that only God is capable of as his intelligence is far beyond are recognition in the infinite intelligence and wisdom areas. Jesus is the savior in the judgment area and God the Father has the ultimate word, and I think there is also an accuser. The Holy Ghost is an integral God person in that area.

I think it is ethical and moral to treat others as equal as far as many aspects of surviving on the earth and being friendly and tending to their needs as a servant of God. I know the constitution has some supposed enforcement and laws regarding equal human and civil rights.

 

[David in NJ]

We. In the course of time train ourselves to think in particular patterns and mannerisms.

We believe things because we must...our friends. Our jobs. Our whole lives are built around our personal logic systems.

And we see these things as always being true. Nevermind the facts....we do not change. Why can't people see things the way we do? Especially when it's plainly obvious.

This is of course cognitive bias or dissonance. Where even if not congruent we perceive things as congruent regardless.
Such is the case of Segregation and Slavery. Despite the unloving, unkind, and ungracious nature of these things you had pastors of various churches preaching in favor of these social institutions. But these pastors believed them wholeheartedly using scriptures to back up their positions.

Today these things are recognized for the evil that they are. However, there might be some instances of these biases and dissonance still in existence.

CIP:
There exists a gentleman in a small group bible study that was once Catholic but has since become *gasp" a Protestant Southern Baptist. Now I love this guy like a brother. He is great. However, that Catholic training in him is still with him today.
Like in the Old Testament, Moses regularly says that there are 12 tribes of Israel. Joshua repeats this "fallacy". Because there's truly 13 tribes. (No tribe of Joseph and Ephraim and Manassah were adopted by Jacob) And this realization catches him flat-footed when pointed out. The same thought process behind 6-day creation account, transubstantiation...still haunts him today.

x.com

x.com

i am glad you liked the 'Pet theology' from Genesis

Thank you for your OP

 

[David in NJ]

OK @JohnDB, no laughing unless i'm laughing with ya

Have a great night and a great day tomorrow.

 

[JohnDB]

Hello @JohnDB! Good to hear from you.

I have been learning about the addictive nature of hate and how it is an illness from most likely "childhood injury" including discrimination and bullying, abusive people, including ourselves once the injury has afflicted our souls. It is therefore a contagion that only God can heal us of. Some people attempt to go to others for that healing and perhaps God provides that for them in such instances?

The master-servant relationship is along those lines of the dark spiritual eye illness of hate. It is not always easy to spot, but it can come out in negative language against others, and sometimes used against someone outside a conversation while attempting to befriend those in the conversation, we call gossip.

The master-servant area is most likely more described as a man-beast relationship in that the slave is not considered the same rights or level of respect of the master. I think probably slaves are not regarded as human but rather thought of and treated as property like animals.

And that is the general ideas of those dark areas of the spiritual cities of Egypt talked about in the bible. We see that today in the media and news stories regarding crimes against children and adults, elderly when treated that way. There is some evidence of that in the bible if a person is willing to take an honest look at that.

I looked at the X.com video and that didn't appear to describe the illness in that nature. I think she was describing the idea that comes up in denial of sinful, immoral and unethical beliefs and behavior. And that is a relative term for the individual themselves. If they are taught, and accept that something is sub-human or shameful in behavior or thought and even directed feeling of the heart then perhaps those things might injure them in some way if witnessed or engaged in themselves. Beliefs can be good or evil. And God certainly has given us direction and commandments for behaviors in the old and new testament. And God created us in the image of him and them and knows what is human moral and ethical behavior for us as his children.

False beliefs can be difficult to accept that our beliefs are false. We can sometimes be convinced back and forth by the cunning of those that are directing towards evil. And we see that in some of society today, with the decay of morality. In fact, God has changed some of my incorrect beliefs taught to me thru teachers of men. It can be depressing to accept that our religious beliefs are wrong. I went thru that when I accepted some of the evil that was acted against me by the LDS church person in authority of groups I was involved in. It did hurt and was depressing, and God eventually rescued me towards a true doctrine. And also God supplies love, joy peace and all the good happy fruits described thru Paul in Galatians 5:22-25.

Therefore I would caution people about the psychology science as some of those ideas can be used to direct towards either good under God or evil towards Satan. Like guilt and accusations of denial. Which I think was part of the message in the X.com video.

She was speaking more broadly in the video than morality vx immorality....and I was trying to but used an obvious "gimme" that people would understand.

However, my friend that was a catholic is more difficult to understand. He automatically takes a flat reading as an absolute which is a Catholic hermeneutic. It's his "go to" for understanding scriptures. All the many nuances and symbolisms are cast aside in favor of the flat reading. The truth is not relevant in favor of the flat reading.

But there are many more instances of this sort of thing. I just mentioned the obvious.

We know that God is good. But we read hoe God smote someone in the scriptures too. Smiting is not good. It might be justice but the execution of the smiting is still not good.

But we still say that God smote someone. The real truth is that the earth is unforgiving and God has a hand of protection around us. The Earth is not allowed to smite us because of God defying his creation (the earth) from seeking its justice from mankind. However...that protection is limited, and can be removed...especially when the person wishes for it to be removed.

It's a cognitive bias we use consistently because scriptures state it as such. Flat reading gets us every time. So I tend to not hold such things against people. The nuances are difficult for most people to grasp.

 

[dev553344]

She was speaking more broadly in the video than morality vx immorality....and I was trying to but used an obvious "gimme" that people would understand.

However, my friend that was a catholic is more difficult to understand. He automatically takes a flat reading as an absolute which is a Catholic hermeneutic. It's his "go to" for understanding scriptures. All the many nuances and symbolisms are cast aside in favor of the flat reading. The truth is not relevant in favor of the flat reading.

But there are many more instances of this sort of thing. I just mentioned the obvious.

We know that God is good. But we read hoe God smote someone in the scriptures too. Smiting is not good. It might be justice but the execution of the smiting is still not good.

But we still say that God smote someone. The real truth is that the earth is unforgiving and God has a hand of protection around us. The Earth is not allowed to smite us because of God defying his creation (the earth) from seeking its justice from mankind. However...that protection is limited, and can be removed...especially when the person wishes for it to be removed.

It's a cognitive bias we use consistently because scriptures state it as such. Flat reading gets us every time. So I tend to not hold such things against people. The nuances are difficult for most people to grasp.

Hi @JohnDB! It has been testified to me from the Holy Ghost of God that does not lie and only testifies of the truth, that God cannot do evil and Satan cannot do good. If God does something in the bible and the bible is not in error somehow then whatever is mentioned that God did is good. I know sometimes it's difficult to understand that. Especially from a child of God position. He generally protects his children from evil and Satan. We know Paul was afflicted by the devil and God said his "grace" was sufficient for him.

Sometimes Christians will be persecuted for their faith, by either wicked men or even Satan and his angels. And that is because they are enemies of God I think. And if a Christian is inline with God sometimes they get persecuted. Perhaps not always, which is nice.

I did review the Catholic Mass for some time to get a knowledge about that Church. And I did attend a few meetings in the places of worship. A few things I did like about the Catholics (Roman) and that was the humility of kneeling together in prayer in their places of worship. They have special benches for the knees that are comfortable that rotate down in front of the pew benches.

And there were a few things about the Catholics I did not enjoy. Like the repetitions "conditioning" type presentations of Eucharist and such. I also was uncomfortable with the Eucharist ideas of theirs.

Sorry about your troubles with your Catholic friend. I'm not sure I really understand what you mean. So I will just offer up a prayer for all. Cheers.