Communications with heavenly beings

[Raccoon1010]

In our life here on earth, we may have interactions spiritually and/or physically with heavenly beings.

We may and should have direction from God the Father, Jesus the Christ and The Holy Ghost. Jesus is in the father and the father in him. So by the scriptures we know he is together with him. We are sealed and protected by the father, son and holy ghost. Jesus is in the father and we are in Christ our lord and Christ is in us. That is the new covenant. Which is written in the new testament of the holy Bible.

We are certainly allowed, if God desires for us, to have angels minister to us. It is clear then that we will be communicating with them. What ways do we communicate? Sometimes perhaps it is thru the heart or mind, other times out loud vocally. I don't believe God restrains the heavenly service of his angels to God's children.

It is certain also to me that when we open prayer, it should be to the father God. I know many of us say prayers to loved ones lost to the afterlife which might include angels other than direct family members. I also know life can be difficult and having desires to be helped along the way is certainly not a sin. What father would give his child stone when he asked for bread?

I am careful myself that I open communication to the father, God only, in the name of his son Jesus the Christ thru God's loving spirit when no being is present as I seem to be watched, as I suspect other Christians as well, by dark spirits often hiding nearby. And they are deceptive to say the least. But it is easy to discern between holy beings of God's light and goodness and those of blasphemous evil and dark beings of Satan and his followers.

I have had angelic beings helping me, and I am reverent and desire to honor God's holy angels of heaven. Visitation and communication with them brings heavenly gifts from God and them, blessings, knowledge and wisdom for our earthly lives and they are gifts from our loving creator and savior.

Thank You,

Devin
AKA @Raccoon1010

 

[Windmill Charge]

n our life here on earth, we may have interactions spiritually and/or physically with heavenly beings.

Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, he did not teach us to pray or communicate with any other spirit being.

Please can you supply biblical quotes that show otherwise.

 

[doctrox]

In our life here on earth, we may have interactions spiritually and/or physically with heavenly beings.

That's for certain, so we gotta be wise about this. As followers of Jesus Christ, we acknowledge the Holy Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

...I am reverent and desire to honor God's holy angels of heaven. Visitation and communication with them brings...

While the show may be one of humility, its basis is one of pride.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. (Col. 2:18-19)

This is a caution against the judaizing teachers, and those who would introduce the worship of angels. Such is unacceptable; there is no warrant for the worship of angels; it is taking that honour which is due to Christ only and giving it to a creature.

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev. 19:10)

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (Rev. 22:8-9)

Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, he did not teach us to pray or communicate with any other spirit being.

Indeed. Pride is at the bottom of a great many errors and corruptions, and even of many evil practices, which have great show and appearance of humility.

 

[Windmill Charge]

The OT is vermently against those who proclaim the worship of anything other than God. Stating they should be put to death.

Those who post about talking with spirit beings should reread the OT warnings and apply the basic test to them. How do these spirit beings bring glory to Jesus.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, he did not teach us to pray or communicate with any other spirit being.

Please can you supply biblical quotes that show otherwise.

That's for certain, so we gotta be wise about this. As followers of Jesus Christ, we acknowledge the Holy Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.


While the show may be one of humility, its basis is one of pride.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. (Col. 2:18-19)

This is a caution against the judaizing teachers, and those who would introduce the worship of angels. Such is unacceptable; there is no warrant for the worship of angels; it is taking that honour which is due to Christ only and giving it to a creature.

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev. 19:10)

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (Rev. 22:8-9)


Indeed. Pride is at the bottom of a great many errors and corruptions, and even of many evil practices, which have great show and appearance of humility.

Good morning and thank you for your response.

First is the idea of "Bible Only" as online groups have coined the term, which some members here promote. I don't see that the basic churches in the nations follow that idea.

First, the Orthodox churches have communication with God and his angels including latter day direction for the church as a whole as well as individual direction for their members from the promised helper addressed by Jesus before his ascension which is the Holy Ghost and the angels.

The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints appears similar and expands on revelation I believe.

The Protestant denominations have well established spiritual revival thru out history. And there are areas of communication with God in those areas.

I still am studying the other churches and will get to learning about them later. Ie: Calvinist, Jehovah Witness, etc.

I wonder if "bible only" is a modern day online sermon, youtube promoter area. Since I don't see it in the in-person churches I have visited. I don't really follow youtube preachers or other online areas intentionally.

If a person is studied truly in biblical accounts and written messages it becomes clear that there are records, prophecies, witnesses, etc. discussed in old and new testament that are not included in the limited collection of books abridged in the modern day bible. The basic books came into affect after the martyrs of the disciples in Jerusalem and Rome and other areas that are poorly recorded from that era, 30+ AD.

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As far as angelic administration it is clear that such matters are thru out the bible. I will cover the other members response issues also here.

I used two words that you quoted "reverent" and "honoring".

There are many visitations in the bible from angels of God to discuss and address various issues. Which includes helping God's chosen persons and comforting them from the enemies of God and his people. That includes Jesus' family during Mary's miraculous conception. John the Baptist's parents, them at Jesus' tomb, the book of revelation, old testament areas and other areas.

When Christ or of his witnesses, the apostles and prophets, and his holy angels speak they are representing God and as we know the Bible is one such record of God teaching thru written word.

So I'm not sure why the words "honoring" or "reverent" were addressed in a blasphemous way like "worshipping". Anyone who is versed and studied is well aware that God is a jealous God and commands against worship of certain "not God" people, places and things. The mountain of the lord as well as his temples are well honored and commanded reverence in sacred matters, which I as well as many, include in manner and conduct in gathering houses of worship known as church buildings. They are for worship of God and should be put above our earthly dwellings and buildings unless those are for God's service as well, and yet still.

The OT is vermently against those who proclaim the worship of anything other than God. Stating they should be put to death.

Those who post about talking with spirit beings should reread the OT warnings and apply the basic test to them. How do these spirit beings bring glory to Jesus.

For @Windmill Charge questions I will refer a few scriptures on the matter of discerning spirits as that is also a gift of God's almighty Holy Spirit.

It is clear to me and also many wise and knowledgeable Christians that Satan and his angels often mimic the dead that moved on from this world, but not only that but in blasphemous ways pretend to be spiritual, angelic and even godly beings of power and authority. We are warned in such matters in the new testament as well, including matters of the dragon in revelation.

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 11 - King James Version

Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his...

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13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 12 - King James Version

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that...

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10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Bible Gateway passage: 1 John 4:1-5 - King James Version

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that...

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1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Thank You for your time,

@Raccoon1010

 

[Raccoon1010]

Also, let's not forget, along those lines discussed above is the attempts of Satan against and above Jesus during his earthly mission as our lord and savior:

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 4:1-11 - King James Version

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and...

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8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

 

[doctrox]

First is the idea of "Bible Only" as online groups have coined the term, which some members here promote. I don't see that the basic churches in the nations follow that idea.

Follow Christ the Word? or follow the nations' "churches"?

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

...the Orthodox churches have communication with God and his angels...The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints appears similar and expands on revelation I believe. The Protestant denominations have well established spiritual revival thru out history. And there are areas of communication with God in those areas. I still am studying the other churches and will get to learning about them later. Ie: Calvinist, Jehovah Witness, etc.

Paul was clear that denominations bring division, not unity, to the body of Christ.

Denominationalism brings a curse.

Denominationalism: "The system and ideology founded on the division of the religious population into numerous ecclesiastical bodies, each stressing particular values or traditions and each competing with the other in the same community under substantial conditions of freedom. Thus denominationalism has usually been associated with religious pluralism, voluntaryism, mutual respect and recognition, and neutrality on the part of the state." Westminster Dictionary of Church History (1971), pages 262-263.

As you can see, the very definition of ‘denominationalism’ goes against the very heart of scripture. If you take the five words in bold above, for example, and compare these words with what scripture says about them, it is all negative: Division (1Cor.1:10-17; 3:3). Traditions (Mat.15:3, 6; Mark7:8-9, 13; Col.2:8). Competing (2 Cor. 10:12). Religious pluralism (Gal. 1:8-9). Respect (James 2:9; Lev. 19:15; Deu. 10:17; 2 Chr. 19:7).

If a person is studied truly in biblical accounts and written messages it becomes clear that there are records, prophecies, witnesses, etc. discussed in old and new testament that are not included in the limited collection of books abridged in the modern day bible.

Old vs. New? Red vs. Blue?

Rather, who gives us understanding - men, or God? It's the scholars, the wannabee's, the fakirs, who have corrupted the covenant and led many astray:

But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts (Mal. 2:8)

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. (James 1:5)

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus (2 Tim. 3:14-15).

Notice that even a child understands the holy scriptures -- no middlemen wanna-be ‘scholars’ required!

The mountain of the lord as well as his temples are well honored and commanded reverence in sacred matters, which I as well as many, include in manner and conduct in gathering houses of worship known as church buildings.

Iconography remains idolatry; it uses symbolism to generate a narrative, as you have attempted to do here.

 

[Windmill Charge]

First is the idea of "Bible Only"

May I sugest that you research the 17th centuary idea of the 5 solas, which includes sola scripture.

There is a masive difference between interacting with God and the Holy Spirit and other spirit beings.
I challenged you to prove that the spirit beings you interact with are from God.

 

[Heart2Soul]

In our life here on earth, we may have interactions spiritually and/or physically with heavenly beings.

We may and should have direction from God the Father, Jesus the Christ and The Holy Ghost. Jesus is in the father and the father in him. So by the scriptures we know he is together with him. We are sealed and protected by the father, son and holy ghost. Jesus is in the father and we are in Christ our lord and Christ is in us. That is the new covenant. Which is written in the new testament of the holy Bible.

We are certainly allowed, if God desires for us, to have angels minister to us. It is clear then that we will be communicating with them. What ways do we communicate? Sometimes perhaps it is thru the heart or mind, other times out loud vocally. I don't believe God restrains the heavenly service of his angels to God's children.

It is certain also to me that when we open prayer, it should be to the father God. I know many of us say prayers to loved ones lost to the afterlife which might include angels other than direct family members. I also know life can be difficult and having desires to be helped along the way is certainly not a sin. What father would give his child stone when he asked for bread?

I am careful myself that I open communication to the father, God only, in the name of his son Jesus the Christ thru God's loving spirit when no being is present as I seem to be watched, as I suspect other Christians as well, by dark spirits often hiding nearby. And they are deceptive to say the least. But it is easy to discern between holy beings of God's light and goodness and those of blasphemous evil and dark beings of Satan and his followers.

I have had angelic beings helping me, and I am reverent and desire to honor God's holy angels of heaven. Visitation and communication with them brings heavenly gifts from God and them, blessings, knowledge and wisdom for our earthly lives and they are gifts from our loving creator and savior.

Thank You,

Devin
AKA @Raccoon1010

I have shared my testimony already but will share again as confirmation of your OP.

There was a short time after my divorce that I walked away from my Christian lifestyle and began hanging out with worldly friends. One particurly night we went to club who featured a famous band and had a huge dance floor and served alcohol. By Oklahoma laws any business serving alcohol must close by 2 a.m. So we finished our drinks and went to the car. I had an extremely dry mouth from all the alcohol and there was a 24 hour convenient store open across the street on the south side. I asked my friends if they wanted to go with me to get a soda and some gum. No one wanted to go so I went by myself.

After paying and leaving the store I crossed the street to go back to the car. As I was crossing I heard my name called...I looked around and didn't see anyone and began walking again. Then I heard my name again...I stopped and looked around and didn't see anyone at first then from the shadow of the back of the store a man crossed the street and came and stood in front of me.

I asked "Do I know you?"....he said "No".. I asked "how did you know my name?"... he said "The Lord told me"....immediately I was embarrassed and uncomfortable because I was caught in my sin....I said "I believe you because it has happened to me before but please don't witness to me right now, I am drunk and embarrassed, but you can pray for me when you get home"....he said "I have a message for you "...."okay" I replied....he said "Jesus loves you very much, stop straddling the fence, choose this day who you will serve ".....I was cornered and had to reply "I will serve Jesus, pray for me to break free from this worldly lifestyle"....then I thanked him and turned and started walking away.

But then conviction hit me hard and I stopped and turned to ask him to pray with me now. He wasn't there....I did a 360 and nowhere. There wasn't enough time for him to walk away and be out of sight and I was standing there dumbfounded.
I got back to the car and told my friends what had just happened. No one said a word the rest of the way home.
I can only conclude this was a ministering angel sent to give me a message.
I can't prove it but no other explanation exists.

 

[PS95]

Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, he did not teach us to pray or communicate with any other spirit being.

Please can you supply biblical quotes that show otherwise.

“If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:14

Jesus showed no only His willingness to receive prayer but also to answer it.
They are one.
We should not be praying to angels or anyone but God.


7“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10“Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. 12“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13“Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14“If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

 

[Windmill Charge]

“If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:14

Jesus showed no only His willingness to receive prayer but also to answer it.
They are one.
We should not be praying to angels or anyone but God.


7“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”
8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10“Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. 12“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13“Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14“If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

When corresponding with someone teaching what could be very dangerous demon inspired ideas, I prefer to keep things very simple.
We pray ONLY to God.

yes we can pray to Jesus, as he is God the Son. Raising this while trying to get clarifcation about praying/talking with spirit beings only complicates things.

 

[Raccoon1010]

May I sugest that you research the 17th centuary idea of the 5 solas, which includes sola scripture.

There is a masive difference between interacting with God and the Holy Spirit and other spirit beings.
I challenged you to prove that the spirit beings you interact with are from God.

You require proof? What do you desire as proof of God's existence and administration thru his holy servants the angels?

If you require proof of the divine, and seek it from mankind, do you expect divine things from them also? Perhaps you should seek divine things from divine beings.

I would also caution people from mocking God and his divine witness including as given thru his holy angels to man. They have been thoroughly recorded in the bible as witness and testament of such. I previously stated such by my witness above in the thread.

Proof is given in two forms, heavenly and earthly signs.

God has mercy in that heavenly beings can communicate together with the holy spirit of God. God confirms their message of the divine and purpose of the message. The divine being God's kingdom, power and glory used sometimes on earth. In other words, one of the purposes of God's holy spirit is to testify of God.

The signs the wicked seek, including those seen in the bible, concern me as often the reqests end in destructive signs. Like the sign of Jonah given by Christ our Lord.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I have shared my testimony already but will share again as confirmation of your OP.

There was a short time after my divorce that I walked away from my Christian lifestyle and began hanging out with worldly friends. One particurly night we went to club who featured a famous band and had a huge dance floor and served alcohol. By Oklahoma laws any business serving alcohol must close by 2 a.m. So we finished our drinks and went to the car. I had an extremely dry mouth from all the alcohol and there was a 24 hour convenient store open across the street on the south side. I asked my friends if they wanted to go with me to get a soda and some gum. No one wanted to go so I went by myself.

After paying and leaving the store I crossed the street to go back to the car. As I was crossing I heard my name called...I looked around and didn't see anyone and began walking again. Then I heard my name again...I stopped and looked around and didn't see anyone at first then from the shadow of the back of the store a man crossed the street and came and stood in front of me.

I asked "Do I know you?"....he said "No".. I asked "how did you know my name?"... he said "The Lord told me"....immediately I was embarrassed and uncomfortable because I was caught in my sin....I said "I believe you because it has happened to me before but please don't witness to me right now, I am drunk and embarrassed, but you can pray for me when you get home"....he said "I have a message for you "...."okay" I replied....he said "Jesus loves you very much, stop straddling the fence, choose this day who you will serve ".....I was cornered and had to reply "I will serve Jesus, pray for me to break free from this worldly lifestyle"....then I thanked him and turned and started walking away.

But then conviction hit me hard and I stopped and turned to ask him to pray with me now. He wasn't there....I did a 360 and nowhere. There wasn't enough time for him to walk away and be out of sight and I was standing there dumbfounded.
I got back to the car and told my friends what had just happened. No one said a word the rest of the way home.
I can only conclude this was a ministering angel sent to give me a message.
I can't prove it but no other explanation exists.

Thanks for your testimony. :)

 

[Windmill Charge]

You require proof?

No I have asked you to prove that you are speaking to God.
You have claimed to speak to ' spirit ' beings, not to God. When claims like this are made the person making the claim needs to prove they are indeed speaking with God and not to demons.

 

[PS95]

When corresponding with someone teaching what could be very dangerous demon inspired ideas, I prefer to keep things very simple.
We pray ONLY to God.

yes we can pray to Jesus, as he is God the Son. Raising this while trying to get clarifcation about praying/talking with spirit beings only complicates things.

John 14-
13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

I'm not going to deny that without the Son you don't have the Father either.
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:23

Lots of people pray to a God.-- I see no harm in showing this person truth.
I'm sorry if you take issue with what Jesus said on this thread. I meant no harm to Racoon, of course.

 

[Raccoon1010]

No I have asked you to prove that you are speaking to God.
You have claimed to speak to ' spirit ' beings, not to God. When claims like this are made the person making the claim needs to prove they are indeed speaking with God and not to demons.

@Windmill Charge,

I will spend some time to try to help with your doubts and letting go if you cannot resolve them.

I actually stated that often angels speak together with God's holy spirit. Confirming divinity of the message.

Normally Christians given witness from other Christians regarding the Lord and his angels either believe the testimony or not.

I'm not sure what good would come from "requiring" proof of someones happy Christian testimony from God's and the heavenly beings witness they have received.

Do you have any witnesses of your own to share? And I'm speaking the following to others also if it is helpful. If you haven't received witness from God and his heavenly beings then I'm sure they will come someday, all you need is to have, hope, faith and belief in God and his almighty power and love, his heavenly beings and heaven itself. Sometimes we are tried first which comes with doubt from Satan or some counter false direction in an attempt to alter the truth into deception. We are of course directed cautiously in the bible regarding Satan's attempts to deceive us.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 John 4 - New King James Version

Love for God and One Another - Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and...

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Many Christians desire sharing witness of the divine as it builds belief in God for many who take part in sharing.

I don't believe it is good to attempt to control others and the love and direction, witness they receive from God and his heavenly family.

On another note is that sometimes personal direction is given from God and his angels for a person. Not general direction for everyone on earth. I'm not even sure others would receive confirmation of God's witness in such cases if there is no necessity for confirmation to an individual or group.

Trials often come together with witness from God and his people, including doubt from the adversary and his dark spirits. Seeking the lord on the matter is then important. Confirmation comes from the holy spirit of God in such cases.

True doctrine is to seek the Lord for confirmation of witness for those that doubt.