Communist-Socialism A Western Invention

[Buzzfruit]

Veteran is one very misled Capitalist. The countries with some of the highest home ownership rates are ones with socialist and communist governments.

Singapore, Spain, China, Ireland, Greece all have home ownership rates higher than the U.S.

http://www.photius.c...ship_rates.html

Maybe an objective look at the facts would also fix Veterans obsession with Capitalism.

Like profiteering on 2 wars, the bush tax cuts, SEC and corporate deregulation put the U.S. in the financial mess we are in!

Look at the graphs of the budget deficit and national debt and you'll see that when the wars, tax cuts, and deregulation took place the curve went bad.

I always thought it was a little strange and arrogant when I first came to the U.S and I would hear people use the term "The American Dream" when referring to owning a home, as if only in America people are able to own a home. Most people around the world own their own home....at least the Country where I was born does.

 

[veteran]

I always thought it was a little strange and arrogant when I first came to the U.S and I would hear people use the term "The American Dream" when referring to owning a home, as if only in America people are able to own a home. Most people around the world own their own home....at least the Country where I was born does.

But that changes under Communist-Socialism, because no one becomes able... to own their own home under welfare statism, which is what Socialism is all about. People might as well act like animals under that system, because that's how they're treated, like animals in cages. This is why Communist countries like Russia and Red China migrated to a partial Capitalist economic system, to make Communism-Socialism appear more presentable until... it becomes time for the old Marxist-Leninist approach returns.

 

[lawrance]

Corruption of Capitalism is the main problem.
We had a system of regulation in banking that was turned in to a lot of ways a free for all. and it astounded me that people had blind faith in that the boom was just going to go on and on for ever and they would not listen at all to any warnings that it was going to crash. i said to people that it was going to crash because it's foundations were week. and it's all based on stupidity and criminal ignorance.

I one dude i know who was on his way to try to end up owning 12 houses he was on his 6th then and he thought 12 would be ideal and he could rent them all out and just sit back.
A home at the start of the boom worth say $100,000 was $300,000 at the finish, and when talking to him he said he wanted and was happy for it to rise up to $1,000,000 ? so i voiced my opinion that his scenario was foolish saying how could the average person own their own home then. he went right off ! his nut screaming ranting and raving swearing that they can just rent off him and he did no care at all about other peoples position at all. he was to stupid to comprehend the larger scenario and lost every thing but he has not lost his madness.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Corruption of Capitalism is the main problem.
We had a system of regulation in banking that was turned in to a lot of ways a free for all. and it astounded me that people had blind faith in that the boom was just going to go on and on for ever and they would not listen at all to any warnings that it was going to crash. i said to people that it was going to crash because it's foundations were week. and it's all based on stupidity and criminal ignorance.

I one dude i know who was on his way to try to end up owning 12 houses he was on his 6th then and he thought 12 would be ideal and he could rent them all out and just sit back.
A home at the start of the boom worth say $100,000 was $300,000 at the finish, and when talking to him he said he wanted and was happy for it to rise up to $1,000,000 ? so i voiced my opinion that his scenario was foolish saying how could the average person own their own home then. he went right off ! his nut screaming ranting and raving swearing that they can just rent off him and he did no care at all about other peoples position at all. he was to stupid to comprehend the larger scenario and lost every thing but he has not lost his madness.

That's what people who believe in the other man devised system would say about theirs as well. Nobody is going condemn the system they believes in, which is why God is going to allow all of them to fail in that way those who believe in them will have no argument that their Satan inspired system did not work.

 

[veteran]

Veteran is one very misled Capitalist. The countries with some of the highest home ownership rates are ones with socialist and communist governments.

Singapore, Spain, China, Ireland, Greece all have home ownership rates higher than the U.S.

http://www.photius.c...ship_rates.html

Maybe an objective look at the facts would also fix Veterans obsession with Capitalism.

Like profiteering on 2 wars, the bush tax cuts, SEC and corporate deregulation put the U.S. in the financial mess we are in!

Look at the graphs of the budget deficit and national debt and you'll see that when the wars, tax cuts, and deregulation took place the curve went bad.

And homes in places like Singapore, China, Greece, Ireland, etc. are actually comparable to U.S. standard? Far from it. The majority of foreign nations I've been to, the majority of their homes were more comparable to what we call in the U.S. mobile homes, and oft times worse than that. Only the wealthy in those nations are able to afford homes equal or beyond the U.S. standard 3-BR, 2 bath, ranch house. Thus the meaning of such stats fail to prove your point.

And then, let's go back to Cold War times and earlier in Communist history. Stalin literally removed... people off their property and siezed it. The Bolsheviks did the same.

So I get tired of the Socialist lies that claim stuff like, "Under Communism, we actually had more freedom and wealth than you people in America!" Yeah, right, while the people in Communist countries had to wait in long lines because a few boxes of toilet tissue suddenly became available!

Oh, and that's not to mention no freedom of speech, nor freedom of the press, nor freedom of worship, etc., etc.

When 'their' "one world government" system is finished, lot of those old Communist-Socialist ways are going to make a come-back, just like the ex-KGB colonel Golitsyn who defected to the U.S. in the 1960's said in his work New Lies For Old.

 

[veteran]

Maybe an objective look at the facts would also fix Veterans obsession with Capitalism.

Like profiteering on 2 wars, the bush tax cuts, SEC and corporate deregulation put the U.S. in the financial mess we are in!

Look at the graphs of the budget deficit and national debt and you'll see that when the wars, tax cuts, and deregulation took place the curve went bad.

You're pointing to the wrong place; it's the banking and financial elites that fund both sides of a war, and also the ones who control U.S. monetary policy, not Bush and not Obama, for they are puppets.

The U.S. financial collapse began with the Federal Reserve Acts of 1913, with banking elites meeting in secret at the Jekyll Island, Georgia resort, creating the system's structure with no oversight or debate. And in the 1970's it was the Federal Reserve system (a PRIVATE BANK), that removed U.S. currency off the gold standard. THAT's when the actual curve downward began.

Those bankers for years have been making huge international loans to foreign countries that could never... pay them back. Those bankers get the funds for that approved by U.S. Congress, and has the Treasury print up the money to send to those countries. What do you think happens when those countries CANNOT pay back that money? The cost is absorbed by U.S. taxpayers! It's called a 'bailout'. And both Democratic and Republican Presidents have been involved in that process.

Money that the U.S. donates to the International Monetary Fund for other countries to use, where do you think that comes from? Out of the pockets of American taxpayers. The money is simply printed up and sent.

The Fed is no longer just 'bailing' out corporations like Chase Manhattan Bank in the 1970's, but whole country's economies. The Fed has propped up Mexico's peso several times already.

And people like Barney Frank and regulators in the SEC who were put in position to 'catch' the latest financial crisis fiasco by banking elites were revealed as being 'part' of the cause (per DVD documentary Inside Job)

So by your pointing to Bush and anti-war rally, and tax cuts, instead... of the real source by the western financial elite bankers who were the real cause, it suggests you are either totally ignorant of how money is the main source behind all those things, or you are part of the Communist-Socialist's propaganda machine, either by ignorance or willingly.

 

[lawrance]

Funny a country like the USA has to borrow money shouldn't be in a position of lending by now. just like Australia should be as well. something is very wrong when a flee bitten country like China bounces out of the wood work on top in the world.

There is no excuse for a nation like us to fail as it must be created to fail.

If we look at Hitlers Germany we see a hopeless state of a country just about kicked to death then it bounces back, all due to the will of government and people willingness to do so.

I think that these countries in financial trouble now only have them self to blame and why should one bail out a foolish bunch of idiot socialist.

Look to the Jews, do they loan money off any one, no way in hell !!! unless it will be to their advantage in the future and they don't give anything to anyone unless their is a motive for it.

We now have the leader of Australia who is an atheist filthy slob who is hell bent on trying destroying our nation and guess what it was a member of the Communist party and it's not even married and most believe it to be a Loonies lesbian freak and talks like something dragged up from the gutter.

And the USA has a dip stick that spins so much nonsense like WE WILL is it really more like you will ?
YES WE CAN what inspiring words with out any direction, what a joke. if he was in charge of a company he would be given the ass directly for saying such rubbish.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Funny a country like the USA has to borrow money shouldn't be in a position of lending by now. just like Australia should be as well. something is very wrong when a flee bitten country like China bounces out of the wood work on top in the world.


There is no excuse for a nation like us to fail as it must be created to fail.

One could say the same for the U.S when it rose to power. Nations rise and Nations fall......its the human conduction of life as sure as being born, growing old and then dying. So it should have been foreseen a long long time ago.

If we look at Hitlers Germany we see a hopeless state of a country just about kicked to death then it bounces back, all due to the will of government and people willingness to do so.

I think that these countries in financial trouble now only have them self to blame and why should one bail out a foolish bunch of idiot socialist.

Look to the Jews, do they loan money off any one, no way in hell !!! unless it will be to their advantage in the future and they don't give anything to anyone unless their is a motive for it.

We now have the leader of Australia who is an atheist filthy slob who is hell bent on trying destroying our nation and guess what it was a member of the Communist party and it's not even married and most believe it to be a Loonies lesbian freak and talks like something dragged up from the gutter.

And the USA has a dip stick that spins so much nonsense like WE WILL is it really more like you will ?
YES WE CAN what inspiring words with out any direction, what a joke. if he was in charge of a company he would be given the ass directly for saying such rubbish.

Putting your hope and confidence in any system other than God's will only lead you down the road to disappointment and disillusion sooner or later.

 

[veteran]

Consider how the international banking elites have used the idea of financial 'bailouts'.

When Congress wants to send funds to a third-world country as aid, there's a bit more involved than just telling the U.S. Treasury to print up billions of dollars in paper and simply sending it those poor countries. It involves BANKERS and a LOAN. Yeah, the funds must go through a banking system in the form of a LOAN to the foreign country, WITH INTEREST FIGURED. Doesn't matter if it's a U.S. bank or the World Bank, or International Monetary Fund; it's still going through a banking system at some point.

These type foreign LOANS are essentially 'bailouts', because the banking elites well know those poor foreign countries could never afford to pay the LOAN back. The bankers setup a LOAN plan for them, with a set amount of INTEREST on the loan, and then the poor country keeps getting into financial trouble again down the road, returning back to its first state. What do you think happens after that? Take a guess what the bankers of that original loan do after that?

That's right, those bankers CREATE ANOTHER NEW LOAN for the poor foreign country, PAYING OFF THE ORIGINAL LOAN, and giving them a new one with MORE money, generating MORE INTEREST. It's basically a re-finance package, you know, like if you get in trouble making payments on your house, you can go to the bank and they'll re-finance that old house loan for a longer term to lower the monthly payment amount you can afford, and make you a NEW LOAN, even adding EXTRA MONEY to the loan total for you to go buy a car, or boat, or whatever if you just say so. In other words, they stretch... out the time of the loan, which means THEY GENERATE MORE INTEREST YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM over the long-haul!

The name of the game is issue you LOTS AND LOTS OF CREDIT, get you to borrow as much as they can, as long as you've got a job where long-term payments can be setup, keeping you IN DEBT all your life if you let 'em. It's all about bankers generating a profit. How? It's called INTEREST PAYMENTS.

Take out a bank loan over a long term, like 30 or more years, and you'll pay more than DOUBLE for the amount you borrowed. Microsoft Office XL spreadsheet has a workbook setup for you to try this out. So it's not only... the interest amount of the loan, it's also especially about how long... the loan term is for. Imagine, you borrow $100,000 for a house at a 7% annual percentage rate for 30 or more years, and you'll pay just in INTEREST the amount you borrowed, and then some. Talk about loan sharks, the only difference than fly-by-night get-you-beat-up-if-you-don't-pay loan sharking, is that loan sharks jack up the interest rate for short-term loans, like 30% or more!

Bankers of course LOVE this trap, for INTEREST PAYMENTS is HOW... they make much or most of their money.

And Bailouts of bankrupt corporations and poor foreign countries is GUARANTEED INTEREST INCOME for the international banking elites, AT LITTLE OR NO RISK! Why? Because they will ALWAYS RECEIVE THE INTEREST when the Gov. pays the loan off with a financial BAILOUT approved by Congress, because that's WHY loans are INSURED by the Federal Government, uh, I mean, by the American taxpayers. That's WHO gets hit with the ultimate debt to pay that interest to bankers, the American taxpayers.

Are you beginning to fathom why... the banking elites act like they don't really care how much the NATIONAL DEBT is run up??

Do you now understand why the banking houses INTENTIONALLY created unsound mortgage loan practices, the more mortgage loans handed out to people who couldn't pay them the better? It's simple: MORE LOANS = MORE INTEREST PAYMENTS TO BANKERS.

Heard of FDIC, you know, the little sign hung on the wall of banks, to represent a guarantee of your money sitting in the bank's vaults they treat as reserves to be loaned out to other people? If the bank defaults because of making too many bad loans, depleting those reserves (your idle money sitting in their vault), your money in the bank is INSURED by FDIC. But who is the real INSURER of that lost money when a bank defaults? The U.S. Government you say? Wrong! YOU, the American taxpayer. Because that's ultimately whose pockets from where the FDIC gets the BAILOUT money to cover those bad loans by the bankers. This is why the international banking elites know to create HUGE ... banks, because it means Congress will less likely allow a huge bank to go under because of negative impact upon the economy. So Congress will instead be forced to approve a BAILOUT of that bank to cover IT'S BAD LOAN PRACTICES!

The real juice in this is what happened to the INTEREST INCOME those bankers received from all those bad loans they made? Have you forgotten charging INTEREST is still the staple of their profits? Do you really think they put all that INTEREST INCOME from bad loans made on purpose back into their vaults, only for the Feds to later confiscate after a bank default?

Wouldn't it be nice if you could go to Vegas and gamble to your heart's content, knowing that whatever money you lose from crazy bets (i.e; bad loans) you know you'll get it back from your INSURER, the U.S. taxpayer? Just how MUCH free money would that mean you'd have to play with in Vegas?

Have you ever wondered just WHO it is that is charging the INTEREST on our National Debt? and WHO it is that receives INTEREST PAYMENTS on that National Debt?

 

[lawrance]

Very funny buzz.

Yes Veteran that would be me who receives the interest payments but their are others to. but we are playing a game that should work out for my best interest in the long run as their is good money to be made in China etc and we can clean up where others are failing as well. remember we are trying to help the 3 rd world come up to the 1st but maybe we will all end up in the 2 ed and then all into the 3 rd from their.

 

[veteran]

Very funny buzz.

Yes Veteran that would be me who receives the interest payments but their are others to. but we are playing a game that should work out for my best interest in the long run as their is good money to be made in China etc and we can clean up where others are failing as well. remember we are trying to help the 3 rd world come up to the 1st but maybe we will all end up in the 2 ed and then all into the 3 rd from their.

Yeah, I'd definitely say we in the West are heading for the 2nd and a half world.