Convicting Others?

[April_Rose]

Why do some Christians feel the need to do that? I think the Holy Spirit is the only important one when it comes to conviction so He's the only one I listen to. And those of you on here who try to convict me you know who you are and if I don't listen to others in real life, what makes you think that I'm going to listen to some strangers on the internet? (No offense or anything but there's also this: Matthew 7:1-2.)

 

[Grailhunter]

Why do some Christians feel the need to do that? I think the Holy Spirit is the only important one when it comes to conviction so He's the only one I listen to. And those of you on here who try to convict me you know who you are and if I don't listen to others in real life, what makes you think that I'm going to listen to some strangers on the internet? (No offense or anything but there's also this: Matthew 7:1-2.)

I am not 100% sure where you are coming from on this.
The Holy Spirit is wonderful....but as far as "convicting others"....the Bible has something to do with it.
Some people find the Bible offensive.
IS THERE A NEW DENOMINATION FORMING?
If someone is accusing someone of doing something sinful and it is not documented in the Bible...they are playing god.
If they are standing up for the morals in the Bible, they are standing up for the truth.
What is the alternative?

Matthew 7:1-2 is something to keep in mind because judging is serious. If someone judges me based on what is written in the Bible, then they are not judging me. The Bible is. That is why I say people get offended by the Bible. If the Bible convicts someone, then that is something they need to deal with.

You can be apathetic...tolerant...look the other way...but find a scripture that suggests that is the correct course of action.

 

[April_Rose]

I am not 100% sure where you are coming from on this.
The Holy Spirit is wonderful....but as far as "convicting others"....the Bible has something to do with it.
Some people find the Bible offensive.
IS THERE A NEW DENOMINATION FORMING?
If someone is accusing someone of doing something sinful and it is not documented in the Bible...they are playing god.
If they are standing up for the morals in the Bible, they are standing up for the truth.
What is the alternative?

Matthew 7:1-2 is something to keep in mind because judging is serious. If someone judges me based on what is written in the Bible, then they are not judging me. The Bible is. That is why I say people get offended by the Bible. If the Bible convicts someone, then that is something they need to deal with.

You can be apathetic...tolerant...look the other way...but find a scripture that suggests that is the correct course of action.

Yeah,.. pretty sure all the things that people on here are convicting me (or trying to rather) for aren't in the Bible. They don't like the kind of music I like, the movies I like, how I celebrate the holidays and it's really starting to get annoying and this is literally all I hear anymore. (Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people on this website for how they are, I just wish that they would do the same and get off my back already and stop trying to change me because it isn't going to happen.)

 

[Grailhunter]

Yeah,.. pretty sure all the things that people on here are convicting me (or trying to rather) for aren't in the Bible. They don't like the kind of music I like, the movies I like, how I celebrate the holidays and it's really starting to get annoying and this is literally all I hear anymore. (Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people on this website for how they are, I just wish that they would do the same and get off my back already and stop trying to change me because it isn't going to happen.)

Yeah,.. pretty sure all the things that people on here are convicting me (or trying to rather) for aren't in the Bible. They don't like the kind of music I like, the movies I like, how I celebrate the holidays and it's really starting to get annoying and this is literally all I hear anymore. (Don't get me wrong, I like most of the people on this website for how they are, I just wish that they would do the same and get off my back already and stop trying to change me because it isn't going to happen.)

Think of yourself as the ambassador of joy. It would be pretty boring without you. God Bless.

 

[April_Rose]

Aww,... Thank you. :)

 

[Michael1985]

Why do some Christians feel the need to do that? I think the Holy Spirit is the only important one when it comes to conviction so He's the only one I listen to. And those of you on here who try to convict me you know who you are and if I don't listen to others in real life, what makes you think that I'm going to listen to some strangers on the internet? (No offense or anything but there's also this: Matthew 7:1-2.)

I try hard not to convict or correct. Everyone is going to understand Scripture differently. I really hate it when one is in a theological debate, and one party or the other trots out some verse or passage to try to convince the other of his position. There is a 99% chance that the second person is already fully aware of that passage anyway and just interprets it differently.

 

[Addy]

If they are standing up for the morals in the Bible, they are standing up for the truth.
What is the alternative?

to mind our own business... keep our own yard clean and let GOD do His job.... Correction is highly ABUSED amongst Christians. There is a proper way to correct... which is not reflected within many if any of these threads.

 

[Truman]

A qualified judge convicts. Holy Spirit is THE qualified judge.
I may see what I'm quite sure is contrary to what I believe God has revealed to me as good.
But I don't want to act on impulse; I want to help, not harm.
I'd rather do nothing than harm.
If Holy Spirit urges me to say something to someone, since I despise all others, including myself, and put Him first, I will.
Knowing how limited my understanding is, and my frailty; in meekness, humility, and love, I'll proceed.
I am aware of the deceitfulness of the heart, and how often I've misinterpreted scripture.
If I allow the good Lord to put someone in a position to speak into my life, I can profit from it.
I will, however, flee from control, selfish ambition, and pride.
At least far enough away that spears can't reach me.
He is training me that words from my mouth can affect others, as if I were using slings and arrows.
Even if they're miles away from me and can't hear me.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things...love never fails, my friend. :)

 

[amadeus]

Why do some Christians feel the need to do that? I think the Holy Spirit is the only important one when it comes to conviction so He's the only one I listen to. And those of you on here who try to convict me you know who you are and if I don't listen to others in real life, what makes you think that I'm going to listen to some strangers on the internet? (No offense or anything but there's also this: Matthew 7:1-2.)

A very few times people may really be led by the Holy Spirit to speak to another... but as you say, too often it is not so. That is, too often either the person does not really have the Holy Spirit or he has quenched the Spirit so often that now he regularly follows his own ways believing that they are God's ways. Delusion is probably a very common problem for people who carry the label of Christian.

 

[amadeus]

A qualified judge convicts. Holy Spirit is THE qualified judge.
I may see what I'm quite sure is contrary to what I believe God has revealed to me as good.
But I don't want to act on impulse; I want to help, not harm.
I'd rather do nothing than harm.
If Holy Spirit urges me to say something to someone, since I despise all others, including myself, and put Him first, I will.
Knowing how limited my understanding is, and my frailty; in meekness, humility, and love, I'll proceed.
I am aware of the deceitfulness of the heart, and how often I've misinterpreted scripture.
If I allow the good Lord to put someone in a position to speak into my life, I can profit from it.
I will, however, flee from control, selfish ambition, and pride.
At least far enough away that spears can't reach me.
He is training me that words from my mouth can affect others, as if I were using slings and arrows.
Even if they're miles away from me and can't hear me.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things...love never fails, my friend. :)

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:36-37

 

[Grailhunter]

to mind our own business... keep our own yard clean and let GOD do His job.... Correction is highly ABUSED amongst Christians. There is a proper way to correct... which is not reflected within many if any of these threads.

You might want to write a book about that...what would you call it..."I have been corrected"

You said in the other thread...talking about sinning.
I honestly do NOT know of these people you seem to think exist in DROVES. I really don't.

So I am going to say I do not see a whole lot of correction going on in my area...are you talking about the media? Are you talking about this forum? This forum allows people to stand up for they believe in...when it comes to religion and politics there is going to be emotion.

And the whole "mind your own business" I think most people practice that...probably too much.

 

[Addy]

I am talking about legalistic Christianity.... those who believe that works will keep them saved... they are the ones who seem to be on a mission to judge and correct everyone around them... always pointing to SIN... always focusing on SIN...

If they are standing up for the morals in the Bible, they are standing up for the truth.
What is the alternative?

The above quote is what I made my comment on... You asked ... What is the alternative to standing up for morals?? There is nothing wrong with standing up for morals... but this is accomplished by LIVING those morals... NOT by pointing fingers at others and telling them they are living below par...

My answer was the alternative to this... to mind our own business and keep our own yards clean... and let GOD do the correcting and changing in PEACE.

 

[Grailhunter]

I am talking about legalistic Christianity.... those who believe that works will keep them saved... they are the ones who seem to be on a mission to judge and correct everyone around them... always pointing to SIN... always focusing on SIN...



The above quote is what I made my comment on... You asked ... What is the alternative to standing up for morals?? There is nothing wrong with standing up for morals... but this is accomplished by LIVING those morals... NOT by pointing fingers at others and telling them they are living below par...

My answer was the alternative to this... to mind our own business and keep our own yards clean... and let GOD do the correcting and changing in PEACE.

You keep giving the impression that you do not like morals.....legalistic....people that do like morals or accountability throw this term around. Do you thing Christ and the Apostles where sour faced people who do nothing but condemn and judge others... calling themselves believers. If you do not think that Christ and the Apostles offended people, you are very wrong.

This is why I say that the Bible offends people. So they approach it wanting to prove what they believe...instead of learning from it, they carefully selecting what scriptures they want to use to form their beliefs. If Christ and the Apostles "minded their own business" where would we be?

 

[Addy]

You keep giving the impression that you do not like morals.....legalistic....people that do like morals or accountability throw this term around. Do you thing Christ and the Apostles where sour faced people who do nothing but condemn and judge others... calling themselves believers. If you do not think that Christ and the Apostles offended people, you are very wrong.

EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION I have had with you... I have DENOUNCED sin in all forms... yet you continue to accuse me of having something against morals.
I have nothing against morals... I have clearly stated this time after time..

The bible does not offend me... LEGALISTIC CHRISTIANS offend me... LOL.

You do not understand me... I am ok with that.

As for what I think Christ was like... I think HE understood what I have tried to convey... He was not nice to those of which I speak.
Anyways... there is no use in furthering discussions with you. You have a beef with the doctrine of GRACE... that is for you to work out.
Have a lovely day....

 

[Grailhunter]

EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION I have had with you... I have DENOUNCED sin in all forms... yet you continue to accuse me of having something against morals.
I have nothing against morals... I have clearly stated this time after time..

The bible does not offend me... LEGALISTIC CHRISTIANS offend me... LOL.

That is the problem ya got going on, the Bible does not have the theme....Hey sera sera whatever wiil be will be....
Is there anyway that Christ and the Apostles were not legalistic? Do you think they went around preaching...you might want to consider morality but it is not a big deal! Whatever you do, do not correct or offend anybody!

 

[Addy]

That is the problem ya got going on, the Bible does not have the theme....Hey sera sera whatever wiil be will be....
Is there anyway that Christ and the Apostles were not legalistic? Do you think they went around preaching...you might want to consider morality but it is not a big deal! Whatever you do, do not correct or offend anybody!

Like I stated... you have a problem understanding the doctrine of Grace... that's on you.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like I stated... you have a problem understanding the doctrine of Grace... that's on you.

Posting on this forum is kind of like texting and meanings can get lost and or misunderstood. So in the context of what I am writing keep in mind that it does not include accusing you of sin, but more of you justifying the sin of others like but not only including LGBTQ. Not those that have had past sins or sinful lifestyles, but those that sin so often that sin has become them.

I have no problem with Grace...where would we be without it. In the normal course of things Grace keeps us secure in our relationship with God. We try to live our lives in the Christian walk and on occasion we fail and Grace affords forgiveness. I am big on Grace.

But lifestyles that take on sin have no way of repentance...you cannot repent something you intend on doing the rest of your life. They can not repent something that defines them...

 

[Addy]

So in the context of what I am writing keep in mind that it does not include accusing you of sin, but more of you justifying the sin of others

I have NEVER justified sin.... If you read my posts... I have clearly stated that SIN is SIN...

How others live their lives is NOT my business... NOR is it YOURS... but that's the thing with LEGALISTS... they are busy bodies... and seem to think it's their job to correct and judge/forcibly CONVICT others. Believe me... I have witnessed this in action... my own relatives embrace this doctrine of calling out sin... It's ugly and NOT pleasing to GOD in the least... these types of Christians BREATH DEATH rather than LIFE.

I am not able to control how others live. I will NEVER justify sin as being acceptable.

What you are accusing me of is CONDONING sin because I refuse to correct others... I call that RESPECT and the FREEDOM to live as one chooses. You live in a country where FREEDOMS are held so dear.

I also stated there is a proper way to correct... I have the permission and authority to correct my family. The church has the authority to correct a member who is living in a sinful condition. These corrections through the church do not seem to happen much anymore.

You need to hang out with @Blood Bought 1953 he will set you straight... I don't have the patience or the desire.

 

[Grailhunter]

How others live their lives is NOT my business... NOR is it YOURS... but that's the thing with LEGALISTS... they are busy bodies... and seem to think it's their job to correct and judge/forcibly CONVICT others. Believe me... I have witnessed this in action... my own relatives embrace this doctrine of calling out sin... It's ugly and NOT pleasing to GOD in the least... these types of Christians BREATH DEATH rather than LIFE.

Are you talking about Christ and the Apostles?

 

[Addy]

@Grailhunter It is fruitless to continue discussing anything with you.... and you are disturbing my MISS MARPLE episode... It's just getting to the good part...LOL Be blessed...