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I am new to the forum and have read a few threads on the forum and it seems a nice friendly forum.

I used to suffer really badly from OCD / anxiety, and in September time last year, i asked my local vicar here in the UK for some help, since then i have become a Christian, and have prayed most days, etc... however, for whatever reason, now that my faith is getting stronger week by week and my faith means more to me, i seem to have a build up of anxiety, depression, heaviness, etc... and it makes me upset as it kind of reminds me of when my OCD / anxiety was at its worst.

I have a lot of feelings about being punished, and i try to be perfect with everything i do in terms of is it moral, is it Godly, etc... I also seem to get a lot of guilt, and if i sin, it's like i feel like i have upset God and that he will be angry with me and somehow my salvation has been compromised. It just seems a lot of heaviness which i am sure that i add to myself, but i dont know how to control the anxiety. I have magical thoughts and i kind of seem to have compulsions, even though i try to resist them, but then i view them as a sin, and ask for forgiveness for the magical thoughts, even though i dont want them, this then seems to add to the anxiety and i beat myself up more about it.

My faith is important to me, but i need to know how to let go of the anxiety. My vicar said that Jesus is a 'setting free', to me, a few months ago, but at the moment, i feel like i have to do everything 100% morally, legally, etc... otherwise i will be punished, and it is probably my own fault, but i don't feel the freedom much, i just feel like i have to do everything spot on all the time, otherwise i will be punished, and this just makes me feel on edge and it's like i have to analyse every single thing i do to make sure that what i do is correct.

I just dont seem to be able to resist the anxiety, and i dont know how to really experience the love, mercy, forgiveness that Gos has given me, and i feel with that, i am upsetting God too, which then makes me more anxious. Whilst i appreciate here that people on the forum may not have experienced OCD / anxiety, depression, etc... if you could provide some advice / guidance as to how to try to reduce the anxiety and not to walk in my own feelings all the time, without feeling like i am upsetting God, or sinning, that would be great.

Thank you.
 

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Hi Katchit,

I don't have OCD/ anxiety, depression as you described, but I think you'll find most of us suffer from anxiety/depression etc at times, to some degree anyway, so most here can relate somewhat to what your describing.

I find whenever facing very difficult circumstances in life that cause anxiety/depression I study God's word more than ever.

I'll leave you with some scriptures to remind you of how you stand in your relationship with our loving God now that you believe on Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Rom 8:1
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,"

John 3:15-17
"whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. [sup] [/sup]For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.[sup] [/sup]For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.[sup] [/sup]“He who believes in Him is not condemned;"

1 Cor 10:13
"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."

The way of escape this scripture refers to is God's word. Study the scriptures, asking God for understanding, and He will help you.
 

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I have do not get anxious or depressed very easily but I have a close friend who can get overwelmed with depression and anxiety and has found much comfort and relief listening to Christian worship music. Particularly Hillsong Worship Cds.He plays it when he wakes up and most times during the day. I hope this will help a little... :huh:

PS: Great advice and scriptures Haz!

Bless ya!
 

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I am new to the forum and have read a few threads on the forum and it seems a nice friendly forum.

I used to suffer really badly from OCD / anxiety, and in September time last year, i asked my local vicar here in the UK for some help, since then i have become a Christian, and have prayed most days, etc... however, for whatever reason, now that my faith is getting stronger week by week and my faith means more to me, i seem to have a build up of anxiety, depression, heaviness, etc... and it makes me upset as it kind of reminds me of when my OCD / anxiety was at its worst.

I have a lot of feelings about being punished, and i try to be perfect with everything i do in terms of is it moral, is it Godly, etc... I also seem to get a lot of guilt, and if i sin, it's like i feel like i have upset God and that he will be angry with me and somehow my salvation has been compromised. It just seems a lot of heaviness which i am sure that i add to myself, but i dont know how to control the anxiety. I have magical thoughts and i kind of seem to have compulsions, even though i try to resist them, but then i view them as a sin, and ask for forgiveness for the magical thoughts, even though i dont want them, this then seems to add to the anxiety and i beat myself up more about it.

My faith is important to me, but i need to know how to let go of the anxiety. My vicar said that Jesus is a 'setting free', to me, a few months ago, but at the moment, i feel like i have to do everything 100% morally, legally, etc... otherwise i will be punished, and it is probably my own fault, but i don't feel the freedom much, i just feel like i have to do everything spot on all the time, otherwise i will be punished, and this just makes me feel on edge and it's like i have to analyse every single thing i do to make sure that what i do is correct.

I just dont seem to be able to resist the anxiety, and i dont know how to really experience the love, mercy, forgiveness that Gos has given me, and i feel with that, i am upsetting God too, which then makes me more anxious. Whilst i appreciate here that people on the forum may not have experienced OCD / anxiety, depression, etc... if you could provide some advice / guidance as to how to try to reduce the anxiety and not to walk in my own feelings all the time, without feeling like i am upsetting God, or sinning, that would be great.

Thank you.

The heaviness you feel is a spiritual oppression. It's quite possible that it has nothing whatsoever to do with you at all. Deal with the source of the oppression and you'll be free of it. Your remarks don't seem to indicate that psychological anxiety is at the root. It could be, but there is a simple test.

I suggest a vacation or a visit with friends and relatives in a distant city, preferably people you get along with. Minimum distance is one hundred fifty miles. You need to escape the physical geographic environment you currently live in. Minimum time away is two weeks at least a month if you can manage it.

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If, at the end of that time, you no longer feel the oppression then return home. If the oppression repeats, then you can be sure that its NOT YOU. If this is true, then you have two options; move out of the area permanently or find a spiritual leader that knows how to deal with the problem and not just dismiss your complaint out of hand. Victory in Jesus sometimes involves extreme physical actions courtesy of your friendly local moving company.

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If, at the end of that time, you are still experiencing anxiety even though you're in a distant location, then you may very well profit from professional help. You may have a simple dietary imbalance or you may have allergic difficulties arising from something in the environment such as laundry soap. Such things take time to work out a solution, but are well worth the effort in the end. A better life is the reward.

I once met a woman who completely turned her life around by leaving her home in Italy and emigrating to the Caribbean Island of St. Maarten. She had developed an allergic reaction to her husband, you see. True story. I grant that the allergy wasn't physical or spiritual, but she improved her life by escaping an unhealthy situation (and that's about as far as I'm going with that story except that you can probably fill in the blanks with razors and knuckles if you use your imagination).

Bottom line is that you must change something.

Hope this helps.

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i asked my local vicar here in the UK for some help

You might consider seeking a second opinion; maybe even from a different
denomination; for example: Conservative Baptist.


since then i have become a Christian

You might consider a second opinion about that too because it's necessary to
undergo the regeneration about which the Lord spoke at John 3:3-8 in order
to qualify as one of the Lord's followers. This is something you need to be
110% very sure about because according to the Bible's Christ; regeneration
isn't an option; no, it's a must.

Note : New Testament regeneration is neither a make-over nor a renovation;
viz: it's a complete do-over. Let me explain a little.

When Las Vegas real estate mogul Steve Wynn set about to construct the
fabulous Bellagio hotel complex, he didn't bother with remodeling the Dunes
to accomplish his dream; but instead thoroughly demolished the Dunes,
carted off the rubble, and built the Bellagio from the ground up. That's
regeneration. It's not only a do-over, but the result itself is a completely new
design. The result is still human; just as the Bellagio is still a hotel; but a
much improved human over the old model.

†. 2Cor 5:17 . . If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: old things have
passed away; behold, all things have become new.

I think that the root cause of most of the disagreement among Bible students
as to the nature of regeneration is that the results aren't readily apparent: the
reason being that according to John 3:6 the product is supernatural; viz: it's
invisible. The original hotel on the Bellagio's site is gone; but my original
human body, and my original human nature both still exist so that I can't
walk up to somebody and say: Hey look at me! Notice anything different?
No, nothing's different. There's a Bellagio Cliff in there somewhere but the
only Cliff that people can see for themselves is the Dunes Cliff; and that's
because the "old things" may have passed away on the books; but they are
still very much alive on the hoof and will remain an impediment to holiness all
the while I exist in an Adamic body.

Adding to the confusion is that Bellagio Cliff never sins.

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

While Dunes Cliff is a habitual sinner.

†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us-- If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

Since Dunes Cliff is the only Cliff that people can see for themselves; then
that leaves me with like zero empirical evidence for the existence of Bellagio
Cliff. Even if people never go inside Wynn's stunning Las Vegas edifice, they
can always stand outside and admire it's grandeur and watch that incredible
fountain go through its paces to produce the most amazing water show on
earth. But Bellagio Cliff is invisible; and people not only can't go inside for a
looky-loo, but they can't even tell he's there because Dunes Cliff is blocking
the view; but thanks be to God, Dunes Cliff and Bellagio Cliff are separable;
and when I expire, Mr. Dunes Cliff will finally and forever go under the
wrecking ball.

Cliff
/
 

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Christianity is not a substitute for counseling or other treatment. OCD is a real mental illness and needs to be treated by counseling and sometimes, medication. From the sound of your post - Christianity has simply taken the place of your old obsessions.

Many people here reject counseling and medication and may even suggest that you need to find a more 'Christian Church'. I totally disagree. I encourage you to seek help from a doctor or counselor. Life can be so much more fulfilling than it is when you are trapped by anxiety.

blessings
 

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Dear Katchit,

Thank you for your request. I want to begin by saying that you will know when you hear the word of God to your heart, because it brings life. Even if it brings conviction of sin at the same time, that conviction comes with hope and healing, the power and desire to repent, and, the comfort of the Father's love.

Do not be afraid to hear from God. He loves you. :)


If you are experiencing condemnation, that is never from God.

These two verses are worth learning by heart and holding on to:
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

The word 'justified' is a legal declaration of our status in the Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Hebrews 10: 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [perfected = completed]
This is the spiritual truth which undergirds the whole of our salvation. The sacrifice of Christ was sufficient in God's sight.


I have a lot of feelings about being punished, and i try to be perfect with everything i do in terms of is it moral, is it Godly, etc... I also seem to get a lot of guilt, and if i sin, it's like i feel like i have upset God and that he will be angry with me and somehow my salvation has been compromised. It just seems a lot of heaviness which i am sure that i add to myself...'

It seems that you understand why you are anxious, and these thoughts will have their roots in past experiences. I myself have been delivered from several deep-seated fears, but God could not do that for me, until He had convinced me that I was accepted with Him. Then I began to relax enough for Him to give me understanding of what I was afraid of, and why. In my case, that took a long time. Part of the process for me, was to give up my perfectionism, and to understand that I was not accepted with God on the basis of my actions, but on the basis of Christ's actions on my behalf, namely, His dying for all my sins, and His including me in His death for the sin which had come into the world through Adam. (You can read about this in Romans 5 and 6, but don't stop there; read Romans 8 as well, and choose some verses to memorise, which God has made real to you while you read.) If God is our Father, and we are His children, He is not expecting immediate maturity from us. This comes over time, as long as we do grow up into Him.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:

It is the knowledge of the Son of God which stops us from being confused about what is true and truth. If you are battling against temptation to think or do things which you know are wrong, this is bound to make you feel a heaviness which is more than ordinary in-your-face oppression from the enemy of your soul. Peter has this to say about:

1 Peter 1:3 - 7 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time; wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

So, don't let that heaviness destroy your hope. Keep hoping in God. It is He who delivers us from evil.

Depression is frequently a manifestation of fear, or, suppressed anger, as well as it could be, over deep sadness or grief about past losses. First of all, being depressed is not a sin. It is a normal reaction to real things that have really affected you. So first of all, don't feel guilty about this feeling. Having said that, I realise it can be a rollercoaster for quite a while as you feel okay some days and not okay on other days. This can be hormonal as well, especially if you don't sleep well, and find yourself running on adrenaline some of the time, because after that, the body produces other compensatory responses which make you feel quite calm and capable. This is physical, but it affects your mood, and it's here - when listening to your mood - that you have to choose not to let how your body is coping, interfere with the spiritual truths of what the Lord has brought you into - His life - and the power of His life to recreate health in you.


I hope this is making sense...

The renewing of your mind (how you think and what you believe) is a long process, which is guided by God. It is He who sets the agenda. By that, I mean it is God who is working in you to bring you through and beyond your present feelings and circumstances, to think about all things in the light of His power and presence. 'Through' is an important concept. The psalmist said, 'Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for Thou art with me. Thy rod and staff comfort me.' (Psalm 23)

The 'rod' is His cross, and the 'staff' is His shepherd's crook, by which He pulls us back into the way when we have strayed from the straight or the safest path. His cross, as we account ourselves to have died with Him that we also may now live with Him, (Romans 6:4) brings us out on the other side of His tomb, where He is alive to us in a fresh way. By this discovery, we are given both hope and strength to keep pressing on into His will for our lives.

It is a matter of practise to keep trusting God when the shadows seem to envelope us. Another helpful verse is this:
Psalm 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light [are] both alike [to thee].

In other words, even though you cannot see the way ahead because everything seems black, God can see your way perfectly, and as you ask Him to shed light on your way, although it may only be step by step, He will send shafts of light to guide you. This is the way to walk with Him in the Spirit, regardless of all the other pressures which make you feel a failure. To Him, you are not a failure. He knows that none of us can make it without Him, and it delights Him to hear us call upon Him for help.

The apostle Paul said:
2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Another verse which has helped me a lot, is 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all behold the glory of the Lord with His face open [to us] and are changed into the same likeness, from glory to glory, even of the Spirit of the Lord. (Tyndale's New Testament) If you read the part before this, it's about how Moses had to cover his face because the children of Israel didn't want to see it shining after he'd spent time with God in the mountain. We do need to spend time waiting on the Lord in prayer, not just asking Him to help us - although of course we do that too - but waiting to let Him speak to us, or refresh our spirits way beyond words.

The last suggestion I have, is to not let how you feel, prevent you from praising the Lord. Anyone (most of us!) who has been used to living by our feelings, has the concern that if we don't 'feel' like praising, then we are lying if we go through the motions. God does not see it this way at all. His word says: Psalm 22:3 But thou [art] holy, [O thou] who inhabits the praises of Israel.

A while ago when I was reading the Old Testament, I realised there were times when God told His people to praise Him. And without there being any other reason than His command, they praised Him. We can do the same, and He will come to us. A good spiritual dynamic is put into effect when we praise and worship Him.

Further to this, if you don't know the song in my post's signature, it is well worth learning, because the Holy Spirit will bring it to you again and again, and use it to refresh your awareness of God's good intentions towards you. Each verse is from the Bible, and the tune is in the link underneath. There is also a good website with hymntunes and hymn words, which are free to download and compile your own worship albums, here: www.smallchurchmusic1.com.


I hope you don't feel preached at, by all the Bible verses I've mentioned. It's your call to pick up what you find useful, and don't worry about the rest. Aspen's recommendation to get professional help is also valid, but I have the impression you know within yourself, you are not as unwell as you used to be, since coming to the Lord. Praise His name! I concur, that if the OCD seems to be getting out of control, it's worth seeking help. You know there might be a waiting list, so go sooner rather than later, and then if you don't need to take the help when your turn arrives, that's okay.


I believe the Lord will keep you through this, however way you and He work it out together. Don't give up hope.
 

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Wow thank you so much for the replies, and i thank you dragonfly for the length of your post and the helpful scriptures which you have referred to.

I will record those and listen to them.

I will also make sure to read your post in all its detail to make sure i understand what you have written.

Thank you so much to everyone who has replied and offered their time to help me, thank you, and God bless you.
 

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I am new to the forum and have read a few threads on the forum and it seems a nice friendly forum.

I used to suffer really badly from OCD / anxiety, and in September time last year, i asked my local vicar here in the UK for some help, since then i have become a Christian, and have prayed most days, etc... however, for whatever reason, now that my faith is getting stronger week by week and my faith means more to me, i seem to have a build up of anxiety, depression, heaviness, etc... and it makes me upset as it kind of reminds me of when my OCD / anxiety was at its worst.

I have a lot of feelings about being punished, and i try to be perfect with everything i do in terms of is it moral, is it Godly, etc... I also seem to get a lot of guilt, and if i sin, it's like i feel like i have upset God and that he will be angry with me and somehow my salvation has been compromised. It just seems a lot of heaviness which i am sure that i add to myself, but i dont know how to control the anxiety. I have magical thoughts and i kind of seem to have compulsions, even though i try to resist them, but then i view them as a sin, and ask for forgiveness for the magical thoughts, even though i dont want them, this then seems to add to the anxiety and i beat myself up more about it.

My faith is important to me, but i need to know how to let go of the anxiety. My vicar said that Jesus is a 'setting free', to me, a few months ago, but at the moment, i feel like i have to do everything 100% morally, legally, etc... otherwise i will be punished, and it is probably my own fault, but i don't feel the freedom much, i just feel like i have to do everything spot on all the time, otherwise i will be punished, and this just makes me feel on edge and it's like i have to analyse every single thing i do to make sure that what i do is correct.

I just dont seem to be able to resist the anxiety, and i dont know how to really experience the love, mercy, forgiveness that Gos has given me, and i feel with that, i am upsetting God too, which then makes me more anxious. Whilst i appreciate here that people on the forum may not have experienced OCD / anxiety, depression, etc... if you could provide some advice / guidance as to how to try to reduce the anxiety and not to walk in my own feelings all the time, without feeling like i am upsetting God, or sinning, that would be great.

Thank you.
Katchit's post:I have a lot of feelings about being punished, and i try to be perfect with everything i do in terms of is it moral, is it Godly, etc... I also seem to get a lot of guilt, and if i sin, it's like i feel like i have upset God and that he will be angry with me and somehow my salvation has been compromised. It just seems a lot of heaviness which i am sure that i add to myself, but i dont know how to control the anxiety. I have magical thoughts and i kind of seem to have compulsions, even though i try to resist them, but then i view them as a sin, and ask for forgiveness for the magical thoughts, even though i dont want them, this then seems to add to the anxiety and i beat myself up more about it.
Remember that satan is the accuser of the brethren and that we are to be anxious for nothing- sometimes easier said than done I know. We are not under any condemnation for once we repent of something, God is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness and it is only satan who is telling you otherwise. Don't listen to him because he is the father of lies and wants to steal your peace. Pray in the spirit often...that helps tremendously. Please excuse error