You might remember that for a time, God put a prophetess named Deborah in charge of Israel (Judges 4-5). Some men don't seem to think women are capable of leading. Is there something to learn here?
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'And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth,
she judged Israel at that time.
And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah
between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim:
and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.'
(Jdg 4:4-5)
Hello @Bob Estey,
Deborah was not a Judge in the strict sense of the word, she was a prophetess, (like Miriam in Exodus 15:20 and Huldah in 2 Kings 22:14) to whom the children of Israel came for judgments to be made. There are two women associated with Barak here, Deborah and Jael (Judges 4:17-21)
* Paul would not allow women to teach within the church, for the reasons he gave in 1 Timothy 2:1-5:-
* Yet in secular society I do not believe there is any reason why women should be prevented from occupying any role that they are qualified for, and physically and mentally capable of.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
she judged Israel at that time.
And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah
between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim:
and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.'
(Jdg 4:4-5)
Hello @Bob Estey,
Deborah was not a Judge in the strict sense of the word, she was a prophetess, (like Miriam in Exodus 15:20 and Huldah in 2 Kings 22:14) to whom the children of Israel came for judgments to be made. There are two women associated with Barak here, Deborah and Jael (Judges 4:17-21)
* Paul would not allow women to teach within the church, for the reasons he gave in 1 Timothy 2:1-5:-
'In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel,
with shamefacedness and sobriety;
not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach,
nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,
if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.'
(1Ti 2:9-15)
* Yet in secular society I do not believe there is any reason why women should be prevented from occupying any role that they are qualified for, and physically and mentally capable of.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither bond nor free,
there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.'
(Gal 3:26-28)
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither bond nor free,
there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.'
(Gal 3:26-28)
Behold
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Women are capable of about anything......
One thing tho......Women Pastors are not New Testament condoned or allowed.
There is no female pastor, found, in the NT.
Now.... notice that Adam was made out of dirt and Eve was created out of a Rib = provided by Adam.
See, The first that God created was not a woman.....and it was the 2nd .ADAM who is the reason we get to go to heaven, not the 2nd Eve.
What is a woman allowed to do, in the MINISTRY?
Everything, tho is there a woman apostle in the NT?......hummm.
Was Jesus confused about that and only chose 12 men?
TODAY...... in the NT "body"....a woman can preach, teach, evangelize, ....deaconess, .. missionary, write books and commentaries,.... and more.
But here is the one thing that she cant do.. She can't be a Pastor of a Church, because.... there is a qualification she can't meet.
Now, ill tell you what it is, reader, but you have to understand that Paul is the author of NT doctrine.
This is where we get it.
And why from Paul? Well, you have to read and see a verse that Jesus gave to the apostles.. to know why...... JESUS said...>"i have many things to share, tell you,....Christ told the Apostles..... but you can't receive them now'.., and then Jesus later went back to heaven, never having shared all that KNOWLEDGE.
So, what did Jesus do about those "many things" ....so that WE HAVE THEM now........He did this.....
"Paul is a chosen vessel unto me"..>"the apostle to the gentiles'......and reader you are in the TIME oF thE GENTILES, and Paul is your Teacher who told you.....>"be tho (you) a follower of me, as i follow CHRIST.
Paul was anointed to give Church Doctrine for the Church. This is why he wrote most of the Epistles.
This is why PETER said of Paul's letters, that they are equal to the TORAL....they are "Scripture".
He was right, as now you have a NT, filled with Paul's letters, that Peter said were "scripture".
Jesus chose PAUL to teach us...all the..>"you are not ready to receive it yet", that Christ didn't give the Apostles, as He had Paul in mind for that work, and that is your "Pauline Theology".
Im teaching some of it to you now.
So, Paul said this about Pastors... and their qualification........"must be the HUSBAND of one wife".
"Husband of one wife'
"HUSBAND"....
See that? ""HUSBAND.""........that is a male role in God's perspective, even tho in these "days of Noah" that are twisted by "gay rights"... we are in the world system that would lead you to believe....that a Lesbian can have a HUSBAND, who is a female, or was, before they castrated her and renamed here with a male name.
Well, dont believe that Satanic lie theology and Satanic social societal reprograming.
Believe your BIBLE, instead..
"The husband of one wife" is a MAN, and a woman is not a man, and so, she is disqualified from being a : Pastor of a local church.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.
It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
statement by quoting another of his own statements.
"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who
were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is
neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in
Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)
(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"
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● 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.
It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's
statement by quoting another of his own statements.
"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who
were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is
neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in
Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)
(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event,
both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ;
but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity
because "the head of Christ is God"
_
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
It's important to note that this is neither a gender issue nor an issue related
to competence; it's an issue related to primogeniture.
FAQ: What about Deborah in the Old Testament book of judges? Exactly how
was she an exception to the rule, if indeed she was?
REPLY: Things are quite a bit different now with Christ at the helm, i.e.
Christ's association with his church trumps Deborah's association with the
Jews. I do not recommend using her, or any other woman in the Bible, as an
excuse to defy Christ's edicts in matters pertaining to the governance of
Christian congregations.
* Debbie was neither a priest nor a member of the Sanhedrin; her
involvement in the Jews' affairs was limited to her position as a judge, viz:
the Temple's sacred business was none of her business; that was, and remains,
strictly a man's world.
_
● 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
It's important to note that this is neither a gender issue nor an issue related
to competence; it's an issue related to primogeniture.
FAQ: What about Deborah in the Old Testament book of judges? Exactly how
was she an exception to the rule, if indeed she was?
REPLY: Things are quite a bit different now with Christ at the helm, i.e.
Christ's association with his church trumps Deborah's association with the
Jews. I do not recommend using her, or any other woman in the Bible, as an
excuse to defy Christ's edicts in matters pertaining to the governance of
Christian congregations.
* Debbie was neither a priest nor a member of the Sanhedrin; her
involvement in the Jews' affairs was limited to her position as a judge, viz:
the Temple's sacred business was none of her business; that was, and remains,
strictly a man's world.
_
Robert Gwin
Well-Known Member
Under the Law of the Christ, if a man is present, they will take the lead in the congregation.
Robert Gwin
Well-Known Member
Do you recognize it is about headship Bob?
(1 Timothy 2:11, 12) . . .Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent.
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