Deception

[amigo de christo]

Yes but.. isn't that worth a shot at a million dollars in a lottery?
How about a six pack of beer and some donuts?

These people think we are stupid, but we already see them.
And there are a lot of people already captured by this grand delusion.
It's sad, so sad..

Hugs

The good news , the only real and reliable news , IS that those who believe the gospel Have all hope no matter what this world
throws at us . You are loved my dear sister . Our news channel IS THE GOSPEL . cause we can trust EVERY WORD OF GOD .
Now , LEt the LORD be praised my dear sister . IS that not good news . YES IT IS . Sing to the Lord my dear sister .
Just let the peace of our Lord be upon us . Let us continue to pray for one another . You all are loved my friends .

 

[quietthinker]

Our friend says, I have you in my hand and no man will pluck you out. When that promise becomes doubtful in our understanding, deception is at the door. This is what error does, it gets you to doubt and if it can woos you to loose hope.

Eve was wooed and doubted God's words. The only other option is to believe the enemy.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Would it have made a difference if the Bible said: And the knight in shining white armour said to Eve.....
I don't think so.
I think what the Bible is trying to show us is the character of the one who deceived Eve.
I don't believe it would have made any difference at all.
A snake is a snake no matter what clothing (SKIN) it wears.
The thing about the snake though.. it sheds it's skin.
The reason snakes shed their skin is because they are growing.
When the skin becomes too small they shed it.
And they can shed their skin 4 - 12 times in a year.
Consider the dragon.. which was the snake.
Shedding it's skin season after season, growing and growing...

How do you know when you are being deceived?
When and how do you know a sheep is a wolf?

Hugs

 

[Robert Gwin]

Would it have made a difference if the Bible said: And the knight in shining white armour said to Eve.....
I don't think so.
I think what the Bible is trying to show us is the character of the one who deceived Eve.
I don't believe it would have made any difference at all.
A snake is a snake no matter what clothing (SKIN) it wears.
The thing about the snake though.. it sheds it's skin.
The reason snakes shed their skin is because they are growing.
When the skin becomes too small they shed it.
And they can shed their skin 4 - 12 times in a year.
Consider the dragon.. which was the snake.
Shedding it's skin season after season, growing and growing...

How do you know when you are being deceived?
When and how do you know a sheep is a wolf?

Hugs

The Bible points out that Eve was deceived maam. I agree with you, obviously it was not the serpents fault, in fact the Bible identifies the culprit as being satan later on.

 

[Invisibilis]

Love leads to truth. Fear leads to deception. Most humans are a fearful lot.

 

[Ziggy]

The Bible points out that Eve was deceived maam. I agree with you, obviously it was not the serpents fault, in fact the Bible identifies the culprit as being satan later on.

Oh I don't think I can agree that it wasn't the serpents fault though.
He deliberately lied to her knowing the truth.

And there are different levels of decievers.
There are those who knowingly deceive others, and there are those that are deceived themselves and pass on what they believe is the truth.
Kind of like a domino effect.

Thats how propaganda works.
Someone creates a lie and tells it to another. That next one takes it and spreads it others, and eventually everyone is believing the original lie.
But the one who was originally told didn't know it was a lie at first.
And only God can reveal the Truth if one is willing to seek it.
Some people are perfectly happy living a lie.
I have trouble understand that.

Thank You
HUGS

 

[DPMartin]

I have often been accused of over analyzing everything LOL
Thank you for noticing. I would rather over analyze than not try to find the end of every string and where it leads. :)



I doesn't have to even be a christian. It can be anyone who draws you near only to find it was for their own selfish reasons.
Deception can come in many forms and shapes and sizes.
Consider the beggar on the street holding a sign "Feed the Hungry"
You feel sorry because you believe he is hungry and will buy food to eat,
only to find he spent it on alcohol or drugs. And so you are helping contribute to his homelessness.



That has to be the worse. Specially when the one your lying to considers themselves a friend.
Like Judas.
The world and all it's false glory, it's fame and fortune, delusions and mirages. Like a desert wothout water.
The world wants you to be it's friend so it can suck the life right out of you.

Thank You DPMartin,
(Over analyzing is a habbit, I don't know if I could or should break)

:)
HUGS

over thinking isn't a bad thing its just when to use it or not. any engineer worth his salt will over think a problem when he first approaches it, so its a normal.

 

[Ziggy]

Is .. maybe I should start a new thread..
I'll just ask this here for now.

Is meditation a form of over thinking or over analyzing?
I mean what is the purpose of meditation if not to get to the root of a thing?
Thank You
Hugs

 

[Robert Gwin]

Oh I don't think I can agree that it wasn't the serpents fault though.
He deliberately lied to her knowing the truth.

And there are different levels of decievers.
There are those who knowingly deceive others, and there are those that are deceived themselves and pass on what they believe is the truth.
Kind of like a domino effect.

Thats how propaganda works.
Someone creates a lie and tells it to another. That next one takes it and spreads it others, and eventually everyone is believing the original lie.
But the one who was originally told didn't know it was a lie at first.
And only God can reveal the Truth if one is willing to seek it.
Some people are perfectly happy living a lie.
I have trouble understand that.

Thank You
HUGS

The serpent didn't speak, it was satan as the Bible later identified. Now I will say that I do find the account strange to say the least, if you was in the woods and seen a snake that started talking to you, I think that all kinds of emotions would pop up. Yet the Bible don't comment on that. Who knows maybe animals can and will communicate with us when the Kingdom comes. That would certainly be nice.

But the point being, as I took it that you stated in your post, that the snake was an innocent victim, that is what I agreed with. satan was the real guilty party involved.

 

[Ziggy]

So this is where I get in trouble ALL the time
ready?
I don't believe snakes can talk. I do believe that people can be snakes though.
And for reference I will give Jesus' own words"
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, (confirmation of who is speaking)
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

And the trees in the garden are interesting as well.
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

This snake, is the serpent, is the devil, is the Dragon, is Satan.

If you read my OP, I had found that the reason why snakes shed their skin is because they are growing and the skin no longer fits.
This can happen 4-12 times in a year.
Now consider the progression of the snake how it grows out of it's skin and grows into a Dragon and ultimately Satan.

By saying the snake is innocent your saying Satan is innocent.
And I don't believe that's what your saying....

Now for the clincher...

Genesis is the Gospels.
The snake and trees are people that inhabited the planet.
These people are the dust of the earth.
God took some dust and formed a MAN.
Not just any man. A man in his own image and likeness.
He was not like the other "beasts" of the field.

Then there are trees, and these trees that they hid themselves among, these are the Cedars and the Hazel and the Chestnut and Pine...
But they have their positions of authority. They have fruit.. some good and some bad.
And God told Adam/Man that he could eat from all the trees.
That would be like listening to the Priests vs. listening to the Pharisees and Saducees.
He could take from them all but choose which was good and which was evil.
Woe unto you ye scribes and Pharisees... their fruit was no good.

Adam was able to take and learn from these people that walked like trees.
Remember Adam and Eve were blind, otherwise they would not have had their eyes opened.
And the blind man said, I see men walking as trees, in the garden, which was Jerusalem.

Now Jesus came down and pulled together some dust of the earth, we call disciples.
And with these disciples He was creating a New Man, in his image and his likeness.
I could copy paste the whole NT that this is so.. put ye on the new man, have the mind of Christ, etc etc.

WE ARE the new ADAM. Made in His image and likeness.

In walks the snake we call antichrists.
And so the story goes...

Genesis IS the Prophecy of the NT.

That is how I understand it.
This bothers a lot of people because they want to take everything literally. And in a way it is, but told in the form of a story, that even a child could understand.
The NT is for more mature audiences.
Or those who no longer rely on the story but can see the truth.

So the snake is guilty, the serpent is guilty, the devil is guilty, the Dragon is guilty, and Satan is guilty.

They are all the same snake.. the antichrist in the garden of eden.

Hugs