Deconstruction: Into Apostasy

[Episkopos]

Have you come to a crossroads in your journey of faith whereby you are now reconsidering what you once believed to be true without question? How we arrive at what we believe is as important as what we believe. When those beliefs are tested, where do we turn?

 

[Behold]

We are in the "end times", just before the Trib starts.

Now there are those who will teach that the TRIB and (Grt Trib,)= where God's wrath is going to fall, and where the JEW< is again become the Focus of God all during the Tribulation..... which is not the case in the "time of the Gentiles'" that precedes it....
Some will teach that the "Church" (The Body of Christ) will be Judged along with the unbelievers, the Christ Rejectors... in the Trib-Grt Trib.
Dont believe it.

Now, there is a NT verse that speaks about the "great falling away".. , and ive heard a few "end time specialists"' Fakirs... try to teach this as "the rapture".. and of course that is not the case, as the Rapture is not a "falling", its an Ascension, where the Born again go UP, to Meet Jesus in the AIR... and that is similar to what Jesus did when He Ascended back to Heaven.

So, what is the "falling away"..

Its an end time issue regarding the fact that the Gospel, that Paul Teaches, as "the Gospel of the Grace of God", has become muddied and redirected, into a subversion of it, whereby the "false" teach that This Gospel, that Is "The preaching of the Cross"...that establishes God's Grace.. and nothing else can..........is "not all there is to it" these Fake Teachers, will tell you.
So, the "false" teach that YOU have to add your self effort to God's Grace, as YOUR Salvation.

Now Paul was very clear about "False Gospels" and the curse it brings to you, if you teach one of those.

And the False Gospel, is always the same....>its a LIMITING of the Cross to "only some"...Pre-chosen), or its a "adding to The Cross" some self effort, or ritual, that '"you must do" "perform"......... which then has denied The Cross.

So, always LISTEN for those Heresies... , as when you hear a Teaching Teaching that "The Cross only starts your Salvation" and then you have to"....or if you hear a false teacher say.>""""Well, Jesus only died for SOME... and The Cross is Limited to those""".. .then HEAR those as a "false Gospel"....a "Doctrine of Devils".. Hebrews 13:9... and do not listen to this ""teacher"", as when a "teacher"... does not understand the Cross that is God's Eternal Grace given to the "World"...., then they understand absolutely NOTHING ABOUT Christianity, as GOD ONLY provided it, through Jesus's Sacrifice.

John 14:6

See, these deceivers will give you THEIR "Cross"...and Their "Born again".... THEOLOGY, ... instead of God's.

 

[Episkopos]

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matt. 24:12,13

Enduring means the fear of the Lord, humility, brotherly love and service...and faith in God.

 

[Behold]

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matt. 24:12,13

Posting that prophetic verse as your attempt to prove that "enduring" is the only way to stay saved, shows us that you have no understanding of the Cross of Christ, or the New Covenant, or what it actually means to be born again.

So, this "endure to the end", ... phrase... is one of those basic verses used by hyper religious people, who are trying to work their way to heaven.. and never will.

Now, READER......if you have a Bible, a NT.. go to Matthew 24:12, and put your Thumb in Matthew 25:15, and read where Jesus says "endure to the End shall be saved".. in Mattew 24:12

So, we see that Episkops can't do anything but quote another verse out of context to try to prove a false theological deception.

Now, Let me show you the verses so that you can see Episkopos....., and also understand the Verses.

Listen,
Jesus was talking to the Apostles. and said.>>"endure to the end"....

Q.) Endure to the END of what?

The ""END""" of What?

Well, Episkopos cant tell you, because He is not using a BIBLE, he is using a commentary that has his teaching in it, and this commentary writer is a deceiver, and the theology is a deception>.

So......Here is the understanding of what Jesus is Teaching, in Matt.

1.) , Jesus is a Prophet, and prophets can reveal "foreknowledge"...or = "revelation of what is to COME".

Jesus is not about to "predestined" it, He is about to reveal His FOREKnowledge..

Understand?

So, Jesus says......"he that endures to the END... shall be SAVED"....

So, we know that we are saved today..... by "all that believe in Jesus".. "shall be Saved".. .Or as Jesus said.>>"He that BELIEVES in Me, i give unto them eternal LIVE"..

That is how WE were saved.. that is what we Preach. as that is the Gospel.. "believe and Receive"..

You Take Jesus, and God takes You..

"All that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED"....... no enduring, no working to try to be good enough... to be accepted.

So, in Matthew 24.... who is this who.... "endures to the END (of what),..... and they shall be saved"?

Well, to find that out, you have to read a BIBLE, into the next Chapter, and Jesus shows us the context of that "END".. that shows us when it will be, that you have to "endure to the END."" of it.

Matthew 24:15-16


15 """When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, """

See that Reader?

That is the GREAT TRIBULATION.. the 2nd half of the 7 Yrs, that is spoken of by DANIEL....

So, Jesus is prophesying.... to the Apostles, about the Great Tribulatation.

He tells them, when you see the "Abomination of Desolation", then that is when you "endure to the END to be saved"..

The wont be there.
You wont be there.
No worries.

A.) The END of the TRIBULATION

So, people who are not actually students of the bible, but pretend to be, teach that you are to endure to the end to stay saved... to keep yourself saved... right now.
Yet they dont tell you "the END of what'... because they dont know that Jesus is talking about the Great TRIB.
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[Episkopos]

Posting that prophetic verse as your attempt to prove that "enduring" is the only way to stay saved, shows us that you have no understanding of the Cross of Christ, or the New Covenant, or what it actually means to be born again.

So, this "endure to the end", ... phrase... is one of those basic verses used by hyper religious people, who are trying to work their way to heaven.. and never will.

Now, READER......if you have a Bible, a NT.. go to Matthew 24:12, and put your Thumb in Matthew 25:15, and read where Jesus says "endure to the End shall be saved".. in Mattew 24:12

So, we see that Episkops can't do anything but quote another verse out of context to try to prove a false theological deception.

Now, Let me show you the verses so that you can see Episkopos....., and also understand the Verses.

Listen,
Jesus was talking to the Apostles. and said.>>"endure to the end"....

Q.) Endure to the END of what?

The ""END""" of What?

Well, Episkopos cant tell you, because He is not using a BIBLE, he is using a commentary that has his teaching in it, and this commentary writer is a deceiver, and the theology is a deception>.

So......Here is the understanding of what Jesus is Teaching, in Matt.

1.) , Jesus is a Prophet, and prophets can reveal "foreknowledge"...or = "revelation of what is to COME".

Jesus is not about to "predestined" it, He is about to reveal His FOREKnowledge..

Understand?

So, Jesus says......"he that endures to the END... shall be SAVED"....

So, we know that we are saved today..... by "all that believe in Jesus".. "shall be Saved".. .Or as Jesus said.>>"He that BELIEVES in Me, i give unto them eternal LIVE"..

That is how WE were saved.. that is what we Preach. as that is the Gospel.. "believe and Receive"..

You Take Jesus, and God takes You..

"All that call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED"....... no enduring, no working to try to be good enough... to be accepted.

So, in Matthew 24.... who is this who.... "endures to the END (of what),..... and they shall be saved"?

Well, to find that out, you have to read a BIBLE, into the next Chapter, and Jesus shows us the context of that "END".. that shows us when it will be, that you have to "endure to the END."" of it.

Matthew 24:15-16​

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15 """When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, """​

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See that Reader?​

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That is the GREAT TRIBULATION.. the 2nd half of the 7 Yrs, that is spoken of by DANIEL....​

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So, Jesus is prophesying.... to the Apostles, about the Great Tribulatation.​

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He tells them, when you see the "Abomination of Desolation", then that is when you "endure to the END to be saved"..​

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The wont be there.​

You wont be there.​

No worries.​

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A.) The END of the TRIBULATION​

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So, people who are not actually students of the bible, but pretend to be, teach that you are to endure to the end to stay saved... to keep yourself saved... right now.​

Yet they dont tell you "the END of what'... because they dont know that Jesus is talking about the Great TRIB.​

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A total mess with more than just tinges of obfuscation.

 

[Behold]

A total mess with more than just tinges of obfuscation.

Try to prove that with a New Testament.

That would be impossible, @Episkopos ..... and that is why all you can ever do is "imply false innuendo".

Somewhere along the way in life, you decided..."well, as i can't deal with anyone here using the NT, i'll just attack them personally, instead"..

So, everyone who owns you on the forum.. you say they are a "mess" or they are "confused" "its your opinion"... or they dont "understand the Spiritual"..

And the fact is, you have "commentary speak".. reference quotes, and that is your game plan, and end game Theology.

Listen, any time you want to have a discussion on NT bible verses, (from Paul's Epistles).... and not your hybrid theological "Zion lingo speak", then im happy that you would try it.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Have you come to a crossroads in your journey of faith whereby you are now reconsidering what you once believed to be true without question?

Faith is a gift and since Jesus is the AUTHOR of our faith, intersections, crossroads, peaks, valleys, demons, trials and tribulations are all part of the journey. He will finish His job, He writes the story. We sometimes get confused along the way, but lessons need to be learned about mistakes made, so that we can correctly navigate the race. There should be no confusion about who our Savior is. A true Christian does not change his mind about Christ and turn against him. Their relationship is sealed by the Holy Spirit.
As Jesus explained in the Parable of the Sower of Seed, some seed is cast on rocky or shallow soil and does not grow to maturity. It is stolen away or if it grows at all, the plant eventually withers and dies and so people will fall away. Much seed is scattered throughout the world; but only the seed that is planted in fertile soil is done by Jesus. His sheep hear His voice and come. They are saved and do not fall away.
You should not concern yourself with an "apostate church", which you seem to think the majority of the 2.7 billion Christian Body is/has turned into. Jesus is sovereign. All things are moving along as planned, in order, everyone accounted forun the Book of Life so far. That is the God I worship, One is control of good and evil events. He causes all things to work for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose.
The people who are at risk are the remainder 4.3 billion: Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, other religions, non-religious, or atheists.

 

[quietthinker]

Deconstruction: Into more Apostasy​

or Deconstruction into Enlightenment.

Deconstruction is a necessary part of the journey we all are on if growth is important to us.
We all learn many errors in whatever culture we are raised in. As children we are not in a position to evaluate the rightness or wrongness of what we are taught (programmed with) It is when we become cognitively able to evaluate that we are in a position to make choices of importance. Deconstructing is a part of that.

 

[Episkopos]

Deconstruction: Into more Apostasy​

or Deconstruction into Enlightenment.

Deconstruction is a necessary part of the journey we all are on if growth is important to us.
We all learn many errors in whatever culture we are raised in. As children we are not in a position to evaluate the rightness or wrongness of what we are taught (programmed with) It is when we become cognitively able to evaluate that we are in a position to make choices of importance. Deconstructing is a part of that.

You have anticipated the subject of part 2 in the series on Deconstruction. :) Although deconstruction is vital, people will do it in varying ways...questioning the bible as well as the organizations that clever people have put up that they claim is biblical. Of course people will go too far one way or the other. Some will retreat from a NEOCON worldview into a more politically correct liberal stance...fully missing the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God. A proper balance seems to be out of the realm of possibilities for many.

In my video I explain the nature both of the believer AND the type of church that is encountered in each scenario. There are variables.

 

[quietthinker]

You have anticipated the subject of part 2 in the series on Deconstruction. :) Although deconstruction is vital, people will do it in varying ways...questioning the bible as well as the organizations that clever people have put up that they claim is biblical. Of course people will go too far one way or the other. Some will retreat from a NEOCON worldview into a more politically correct liberal stance...fully missing the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God. A proper balance seems to be out of the realm of possibilities for many.

In my video I explain the nature both of the believer AND the type of church that is encountered in each scenario. There are variables.

Questioning the bible is a valid exercise Epi. There are many inconsistencies in it that require sorting for any serious searcher. To deny there are inconsistencies only reveals ignorance (namely, a lack of knowledge of what is written therein)

 

[Episkopos]

Questioning the bible is a valid exercise Epi. There are many inconsistencies in it that require sorting for any serious searcher. To deny there are inconsistencies only reveals ignorance (namely, a lack of knowledge of what is written therein)

There's questioning and there's questioning. Is the OT really just a collection of ancient prejudices based on seeing God from a human perspective as the liberal bent ones say?

Is the bible so infallible that faulty translations are to be seen as more authoritative than the original texts as the neocons suggest?

SO FEW will find the balance (in both righteousness and holiness) that there is really no category that exists in modern parlance other than...apostolic.