Did more light come to the Reformation churches and it was rejected?

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Hobie

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I think a good discussion would be specifically on did Arminius get a better understanding of truth than John Calvin, and it was pushed aside and rejected? Why didnt they get together prayerfully and compare and come to a unity of beliefs and form one church of the Reformation, but that study is more than I anticipated as the more I dig, the more I find as to how God leads men to understanding his truth. Martin Luther was presented with the Sabbath and was not ready to accept that truth but we will leave that for later. So the question we can focus on, is did Arminius get it right in a better understanding of predestination and free will, than John Calvin and it get set aside? Lets get some background.

Jacobus Arminius was born in 1559, only five years before the death of John Calvin. At the age of 17, Arminius enrolled in college and he must have been good as after college, Arminius traveled to study at Calvin's academy in Geneva. Theodore Beza, Calvin's successor, was the chairman of theology at the university, and later defended Arminius. In 1587, Arminius returned to Amsterdam a became a pastor and soon got into the predestination debate and his study of the Scriptures led him to the conclusion that the Bible did not support the strict Calvinist view.

When Arminius received his doctorate and professorship of theology at Leiden in 1603, he began teaching that Calvinist predestination and unconditional election made God the author of evil. Instead, Arminius insisted, God's election was an election of believers and therefore was conditioned on faith and that God's foreknowledge did not require a doctrine of determinism.

So Arminius was basically a strict Calvinist early on in the Reformed Church of Holland, but later he developed a set of doctrines that were divergent from the doctrines of Calvinism. Arminius's teachings concerning sin, selection, predestination, and eternal security led many to look at the beliefs closer and they consolidated his teachings into 5 concise points versus strict Calvinism:

Arminianism

D = Depravity (Partial depravity or Dead, but somehow alive). Although human nature was seriously affected by the fall, man has not been left in a state of total spiritual helplessness. God graciously enables every sinner to repent and believe, but He does so in such a manner as not to interfere with man's freedom. Each sinner possesses a free will, and his eternal destiny depends on how he uses it. Man's freedom consists of his ability to choose good over evil in spiritual matters; his will is not enslaved to his sinful nature. The sinner has the power to either cooperate with God's Spirit and be regenerated or resist God's grace and perish. The lost sinner needs the Spirit's assistance, but he does not have to be regenerated by the Spirit before he can believe, for faith is man's act and precedes the new birth. Faith is the sinner's gift to God; It is man's contribution to salvation.

A = Arbitrary Selection (Abolition of True Grace). God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world was based upon His foreseeing that they would respond to His call. He selected only those whom He knew would of themselves freely believe the gospel. Election therefore was termined by or conditioned upon what man would do. The faith which God foresaw and upon which He based His choice was not given to the sinner by God (it was not created by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit) but resulted solely from man's will. It was left entirely up to man as to who would believe and therefore as to who would be elected unto salvation. God chose those whom He knew would, of their own free will, choose Christ. Thus the sinner's choice of Christ, not God's choice of the sinner, is the ultimate cause of salvation.

I = Inequitable Limitation (of Christ's selection). Christ's redeeming work made it possible for everyone to be saved but did not actually secure the salvation of anyone. Although Christ died for all men and for every man, only those who believe in Him are saved. His death enabled God to pardon sinners on the condtition that they believe, but it did not actually put away anyone's sins. Christ's redemption becomes effective only if man chooses to accept it.

S = Sovereignty (of the sinner). The Spirit calls inwardly all those who are called outwardly by the gospel invitation; He does all that He can to bring every sinner to salvation. But inasmuch as man is free, he can successfully resist the Spirit's call. The Spirit cannot regenerate the sinner until he believes; faith (which is man's contribution) precedes and makes possible the new birth. Thus, man's free will limits the Spirit in the application of Christ's saving work. The Holy Spirit can only draw to Christ those who allow Him to have His way with them. Until the sinner responds, the Spirit cannot give life. God's grace, therefore, is not invincible; it can be, and often is, resisted and thwarted by man.

Y = Yielding Eternal Uncertainty. Those who believe and are truly saved can lose their salvation by failing to keep up their faith, etc. All Arminians have not been agreed on this point; some have held that believers are eternally secure in Christ -- that once a sinner is regenerated, he can never be lost. According to Arminianism: Salvation is accomplished through the combined efforts of God (who takes the initiative) and man (who must respond) -- man's response being the determining factor. God has provided salvation for everyone, but His provision becomes effective only for those who, of their own free will, choose to cooperate with Him and accept His offer of grace. At the crucial point, man's will plays a decisive role; thus man, not God, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of salvation.

Now the Reformed Church of Holland conducted a formal inquiry into the claims of the Arminians, and in 1619 the Arminians got their answers in the form of an article known as The Canons of the Synod of Dort. The synod answered each of the five points presented by the Arminians with five contrary points that we now call "The Five Points of Calvinism," :

Calvinism

T = Total depravity/ Total inability. Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not -- indeed he cannot -- choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ -- it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation -- it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God.

U = Unconditional Election. God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will. His choice of particular sinners was not based on any foreseen response or obedience on their part, such as faith, repentance, etc. On the contrary, God gives faith and repentance to each individual whom He selected. These acts are the result, not the cause of God's choice. Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any virtuous quality or act foreseen in man. Those whom God sovereignly elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing acceptance of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation.

L = Limited Atonement. Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect only and actually secured salvation for them. His death was a substitutionary endurance of the penalty of sin in the place of certain specified sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's redemption secured everything necessary for their salvation, including faith which unites them to Him. The gift of faith is infallibly applied by the Spirit to all for whom Christ died, thereby guaranteeing their salvation.

I = Irresistable Grace. In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a special inward call that inevitably brings them to salvation. The external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be and often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion. By means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to Christ. He is not limited in His work of applying salvation by man's will, nor is He dependent upon man's cooperation for success. The Spirit graciously causes the elect sinner to cooperate, to believe, to repent, to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace, therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the salvation of those to whom it is extended.

P = Perseverance of the Saints. All who were chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end. According to Calvinism: Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The Father chose a people, the Son died for them, the Holy Spirit makes Christ's death effective by bringing the elect to faith and repentance, thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (election, redemption, regeneration) is the work of God and is by grace alone. Thus God, not man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of salvation.

 

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Now the Reformed Church of Holland at the Synod of Dort rejected Arminianism as heretical, and confirmed Calvinism. Yet if you look at the points, it seems clear the Church was solidifying into the Calvinist Creed and rejecting a better understanding on these issues.

Lets look at John Calvins points that were articulated:

T = Total depravity/ Total inability. Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel...
How could man have free will if he cannot decide for himself to choose between good and evil?

U = Unconditional Election. God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will...
How could man have even choose between good and evil, if the choice was already made?

L = Limited Atonement. Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect only and actually secured salvation for them...
Most of Protestantism does not hold this view.

I = Irresistable Grace. In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a special inward call that inevitably brings them to salvation....
This would make God unfair, and one could even say unjust.

P = Perseverance of the Saints. All who were chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end....
This clearly leads to Once Saved Always Saved and that clearly is not what scripture shows.

Now lets look at Jacobus Arminius views:

D = Depravity (Partial depravity or Dead, but somehow alive). Although human nature was seriously affected by the fall, man has not been left in a state of total spiritual helplessness...
Man has to have free will and we struggle with Gods help.

A = Arbitrary Selection (Abolition of True Grace). God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world was based upon His foreseeing that they would respond to His call...
God does according to His will and purpose, not mans.

I = Inequitable Limitation (of Christ's selection). Christ's redeeming work made it possible for everyone to be saved but did not actually secure the salvation of anyone...
Man must choose, and the Holy Spirit helps lead man to the fruits of the Spirit and eternal life.

S = Sovereignty (of the sinner). The Spirit calls inwardly all those who are called outwardly by the gospel invitation; He does all that He can to bring every sinner to salvation...
All are called and the Holy Spirit guides and transforms those who accept.

Y = Yielding Eternal Uncertainty. Those who believe and are truly saved can lose their salvation by failing to keep up their faith..
Man can loose their salvation even if they are doing Gods work as the accuser can trip up many.


So it looks like God was unveiling more truth but as many churches of the Reformation did as they grew, the Calvinist Church hunkered down and solidified itself into a creed, and stopped unraveling more of Gods truth and rejected further steps of spiritual growth leaving the Reformation along with the other churches, for the lack of a better word, 'stranded'. What are your thoughts?
 

ButterflyJones

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A better question I think is, why did men and their interpretations of Jesus' teachings dare to expound beyond Jesus teachings?


denomination

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  1. A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name, usually organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.
  2. One of a series of kinds, values, or sizes, as in a system of currency or weights.
  3. A name or designation, especially for a class or group.
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gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a special inward call that inevitably brings them to salvation....
This would make God unfair, and one could even say unjust
Merely by saying God is unjust means your judgement is faulty and any comments leading to that are equally faulty.
= Inequitable Limitation (of Christ's selection). Christ's redeeming work made it possible for everyone to be saved but did not actually secure the salvation of anyone...
Man must choose, and the Holy Spirit helps lead man to the fruits of the Spirit and eternal life
Scripture is full of verse where God clearly says I chose that one and rejected that one.
How then can a sinful God hati g man override God's choice.
 

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Did more light come to the Reformation churches and it was rejected?​

Did more light come to those claiming Jesus as their Lord and it was viewed indifferently or rejected?