Doctrine of Predestination

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Davy

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I don't follow the pre-trib rapture thinking because God's Word actually teaches pre-wrath rapture.

I have already... established that YOU DO FOLLOW MEN'S FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. So there's no use you telling LIES about that!

YES BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Don't let good ole' Big Boy Johnson deceive you, because he has made statements that he believes the rapture happens as soon as the "man of sin" is revealed, and immediately PRIOR to the START of the "great tribulation". All he is TRYING to do is DECEIVE others into believing man's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. I smelt the rat in his doctrine early on, and he is turned to insults and bad mouthing against me, because that's all he has left after his being EXPOSED.


His false doctrine about his belief when the rapture will occur is nothing new. Some call it a mid-trib rapture. But it's still a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY, simply because ANY doctrine that preaches a rapture of the Church that says the Church does not go through the "great tribulation" is telling a BIG FLAT LIE against Lord Jesus' Own Words.

Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 that His future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER the tribulation. That means the Church WILL GO THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and that the Church is to WAIT FOR JESUS' COMING IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT.

Pre-trib, Mid-trib, it's all the SAME FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. No doubt some of the devils children that began the false pre-trib rapture theory thought to try and increase their deceptive fold with creating the mid-trib rapture idea, which also preaches the Church is raptured prior to the time of "great tribulation", and is what Johnson is pushing here.
 

Ronald Nolette

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You had better do some more reading. This should help:
Here are some pertinent excerpts from the article:



The Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:25-29), and he was very familiar with the Roman customs of his day. In Paul's day, "adoption" was a coming-of-age ceremony, and this is recognizable if we simply look to the meaning of the word "adoption" in the underlying Greek of the New Testament. The underlying Greek word that is translated into English as "adoption" is "huiothesia,"
and that word is a compound of two other Greek words, "huios,"
which means "son," and "tithēmi,"
which means "to place." Therefore, the word "adoption" in Paul's day literally meant "to place as a son," and the context in which Paul used this word tells us exactly what he meant.

As I showed in the excerpts from the article that I linked to, in Paul's day, a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his coming-of-age ceremony. His father determined exactly when that time was, and during his "adoption" ceremony, he donned a "toga virilis" or a "toga of manhood" as he was now deemed to be an adult son in society. This coming-of-age ceremony is exactly was Paul was referring to in his epistle to the Galatians. There, we read:

"Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." (Gal. 4:1-7)

In the same manner that a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his father's choosing when he received the classification as a adult son, we were once under the schoolmaster of "the law" (Gal. 3:24-25) until the time came that God the Father sent forth his Son to redeem us that we might receive the status of adult sons ourselves in God's eyes.

^^^THIS^^^ is what Paul was talking about, and not our modern-day understanding of the word "adoption." In Paul's day, this coming-of-age ceremony was marked by a boy putting on his "toga virilis." For Christians, this coming-of-age ceremony is marked by us "putting on Christ" (Gal. 3:27).

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.

P.S.

This biblical and historical truth is what you previously called my "hokey definition" in your ignorance. I would repent before God for that if I were you.

It was a legal process both for natural and children brought into a family. It gave them the full right of the family aqnd heirship.

The children were given a new identity. And as all believers were not part of the family of God, they were children brought into the household of God from outside, and given the new family name.
 

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In the same manner that a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his father's choosing when he received the classification as a adult son, we were once under the schoolmaster of "the law" (Gal. 3:24-25) until the time came that God the Father sent forth his Son to redeem us that we might receive the status of adult sons ourselves in God's eyes.
Yes . Until that time He was simply like a servant child. It wasn't until He was granted full family ship (for wont of a better word) He was no better off than a servant. He was a son, but at the same time not a son.
 

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Which they should be taught to do immediately after getting born again if they are to be considered righteous

Those not putting off the old man and putting on the new man are still walking after the flesh which is continued walking in un-righteousness

Very few churches today teach people to put off the old man and put the new man on

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

They'll tell people who believe Ephesians 4:24 they are arrogant, full of pride, and think they are better than everyone else and otherwise discourage them from walking in righteousness telling them they are still sorry no good dirty sinners!
You have proven that you do not know what a believers righteousness is!
 

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I have already... established that YOU DO FOLLOW MEN'S FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY.

I have already established that I DO NOT FOLLOW PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY




he believes the rapture happens as soon as the "man of sin" is revealed

See now you are lying because I said the rapture happens some time after the man of sin is revealed.

The pre-tribbers teach the rapture happens before the man of sin is revealed.

You don't even know what's going on :Laughingoutloud:




Some call it a mid-trib rapture. But it's still a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY

I see English not your first language.

You don't even understand the difference between before middle and end.




Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 that His future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER the tribulation.

The ignorant are not aware that Jesus was speaking of gathering His saints who are still on earth at the end of the Tribulation as they falsely claim nobody can get saved during the tribulation





No doubt some of the devils children

the devil's children teach as you do, that the Lord does not love His people and wants His FAITHFUL to go thru the most destructive time ever in the history of the world

They believe this because they are void of God's love and don't really know the Lord very well still being in diapers and all :rolleyes: