Does the Government Have too Much Control in Religious Organizations?

[Axehead]

I have always thought that the 1954 law to require religious organizations to become 501-3c organizations in order to be tax deductible was a very bad thing for the church. I believe they traded their soul for mammon. Now, in this link you will see what all the regulations are that religious organizations have are required to agree with.

The Government OWNS and RUNS your Church and its Doctrines!
Although I don't agree nor disagree with the info in this link regarding Lyndon B. Johnson, I hope that you pay more attention to the Government regulations surrounding the 501-3c law that has displaced Jesus Christ as the Head of the Church with the IRS.

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[afaithfulone4u]

I know nothing about how the government controls the church, but I do know what is wrong with the world. They have separated the church/man of God/body of Christ from the government and kicked God's Word out of our schools, our homes, our towns and literally our nation and have adopted other religions over the One True God and His Christ, who is God of all the earth and in the end, every knee shall bow to the Word.
When Israel asked for a carnal king like the nations had, over God, is where their down fall came. Carnal driven men for the most part are unbelievers for even when they claim to believe in God, they prove that they don't, shown by the fact that they think they can get away with electing those who agree with their sinful ways and that God does not see it. Only those who do not believe in an all seeing all knowing God could think this is true and that their deeds go unoticed
They used to have a prophet of God to bring them Word. Even king David listened to the prophets of God to guide him and it would be wise for our President and all kings of the earth to have a prophet who hears from The One TRUE God YHWH to guide them and keep them in all their ways. For then the world would be getting godly counsel and not flawed carnal counsel of ERROR.
But then that will be the job for Christ and his saints to get the job done when he returns.. and the government will be upon his shoulders.

2 Sam 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
KJV
1 Chron 17:1-4
17:1 Now it came to pass, as David sat in his house, that David said to Nathan the prophet, Lo, I dwell in an house of cedars, but the ark of the covenant of the LORD remaineth under curtains.
2 Then Nathan said unto David, Do all that is in thine heart; for God is with thee.
3 And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,
4 Go and tell David my servant, Thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not build me an house to dwell in:
KJV

Why was David forbidden to build a house for God? Because he was a man of WAR and had shed much blood.
Now if David could not BUILD a temple for this reason, how is it that those who join the military and kill in war think they are the BODY OF CHRIST/TEMPLE OF GOD??


As for God's people being TAX EXEMPT, it is written:
Matt 17:24-27
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
KJV

So Jesus said the children of the KING are free, tax exempt!

 

[Axehead]

I know nothing about how the government controls the church, but I do know what is wrong with the world. They have separated the church/man of God/body of Christ from the government and kicked God's Word out of our schools, our homes, our towns and literally our nation and have adopted other religions over the One True God and His Christ, who is God of all the earth and in the end, every knee shall bow to the Word.
When Israel asked for a carnal king like the nations had, over God, is where their down fall came. Carnal driven men for the most part are unbelievers for even when they claim to believe in God, they prove that they don't, shown by the fact that they think they can get away with electing those who agree with their sinful ways and that God does not see it. Only those who do not believe in an all seeing all knowing God could think this is true and that their deeds go unoticed
They used to have a prophet of God to bring them Word. Even king David listened to the prophets of God to guide him and it would be wise for our President and all kings of the earth to have a prophet who hears from The One TRUE God YHWH to guide them and keep them in all their ways. For then the world would be getting godly counsel and not flawed carnal counsel of ERROR.
But then that will be the job for Christ and his saints to get the job done when he returns.. and the government will be upon his shoulders.

2 Sam 24:11
11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
KJV
1 Chron 17:1-4
17:1 Now it came to pass, as David sat in his house, that David said to Nathan the prophet, Lo, I dwell in an house of cedars, but the ark of the covenant of the LORD remaineth under curtains.
2 Then Nathan said unto David, Do all that is in thine heart; for God is with thee.
3 And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,
4 Go and tell David my servant, Thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not build me an house to dwell in:
KJV

Why was David forbidden to build a house for God? Because he was a man of WAR and had shed much blood.
Now if David could not BUILD a temple for this reason, how is it that those who join the military and kill in war think they are the BODY OF CHRIST/TEMPLE OF GOD??


As for God's people being TAX EXEMPT, it is written:
Matt 17:24-27
24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
KJV

So Jesus said the children of the KING are free, tax exempt!

ok, but let's stick with the OP. What do you think about what the 501-3c requires from religious organizations? Do you think that religious organizations should voluntarily become subjects of the state and agree to all the things that the 501-3c requires them to agree to? Or should the Church stay away from becoming a government entity?

 

[dragonfly]

Or should the Church stay away from becoming a government entity?

Yes.

Matthew 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Does not your master pay tribute? 25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26 Peter said to him, Of strangers. Jesus saith to him, Then are the children free.


There is a heap of OT scripture to back up that God will provide for His people and His work. That was old news to Israelites!

 

[Axehead]

Should the Government have any control at all over Christian Churches?

Most churches in America today are organized as “non-profit tax-exempt religious corporations.” Have churches always operated as incorporated 501c3 organizations? No, this is a relatively recent trend that began in the 1950s. Prior to that churches operated as churches, and they were much better off, in every respect. In this presentation you'll discover why:

• An incorporated church is a “creature of the State” and declares the State is its “Sovereign.”
• Incorporation does not protect a church from being sued, but only ensures that it can be sued.
• A church is non-taxable and, therefore, does not need to become 501c3 to avoid paying taxes.
• A church is automatically qualified to receive tax-deductible contributions without ever applying for 501c3 status.
• 501c3 churches have limited freedom of speech and are restricted in speaking out on vital moral issues of the day.

The Church & Caesar: A Look At Incorporation & 501c3 a radio interview with Peter Kershaw



State Favors Result in State Control of the Church,by Peter Kershaw
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Why Churches Should Not Incorporate, by Dr. Gary North
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Richard Hammar's Pastor, Church & Law,
A Manual For Legal Capitulation To The Messianic State
(a book review by Michael R. Gilstrap)
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Reforming the State-Church, by Peter Kershaw
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Hireling Or Servant?, by Pastor David Bostrom
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501(c)3 - Reemergence of The Divine Right of Kings,by Peter Kershaw
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The Transformation of the Church (from Reality to Fiction),by Dr. Ken Talbot
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What Happens When The Church Is Not Free?
by Pastor Garrett Lear
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A Legal Review, by: Peter Kershaw, of:
The Corporation Sole, Its History, Significance and Creation,(by: Jeffrey Thayer)
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