Does the KJV contradict itself? (Edited to say I misunderstood)

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It seems so. (Edit: Actually no. :) )

Luke 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.



1 Corinthians 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
 
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It seems so.

Luke 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.



1 Corinthians 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The KINGDOM doesn’t end, it’s handed over to the Father.
 

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33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Yes. Christ hands over the eternal Kingdom to God the Father at a certain point. But before that here is the reality (Dan 7:13,14): I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
 
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It seems so. (Edit: Actually no. :) )

Luke 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.



1 Corinthians 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Most of the time a seeming contradiction is explained from misunderstanding. Yes some versions of the Bible do contradict themselves, but the original does not.
 

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It seems so. (Edit: Actually no. :) )

Luke 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.



1 Corinthians 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Dear Patrick1966,
The Kingdom of Heaven doesn't ever come to an end, however, the reign of Christ over the Kingdom of Heaven does come to an end just as Paul stated in 1Cor 15:24.

So does Paul have it wrong? Does Christ reign for ever and ever or does His reign come to an end someday?

The apparent conflict comes from how one translates the Greek phrase "aion aion".

I'll explain below:
God’s creation only pertains to the ages and once the ages come to an end, so does the reign and work of Christ. Scripture is silent on what happened before the ages began and is likewise silent on what will happen after the ages end.

With this truth in mind, the translation of the Greek words of "aion" and its adjective form "aionios" as meaning "for ever" or "everlasting" can and does cause a conflicts within God’s Truth.

Here is an example:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for ever and ever! Amen! (KJV)

Here is the correct translation:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the ages of the ages! Amen!

The phrase "ages of the ages" comes from "aion aion". It does not mean for ever and ever as the KJV translates it. We can know this for sure because of what Paul said:

1Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Christ's reign comes to an end when He destroys the last enemy of death. Christ does not reign for ever and ever.

And likewise, the same error occurs in this verse:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (KJV)

Here is the correct translation:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for the ages of the ages.

And likewise, we can know this for sure because the Lake of Fire is the judgment of Christ. Christ's judgment is for the loving purpose of destroying our old vessel and for teaching us His righteousness:

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

1Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abides which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Once Christ's purpose for His judgment is complete, His judgment will end. Judgment, like Christ's reign, is only for the ages. It does not last for ever and ever as the KJV translates the verse.

Joe
 
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Well, the KJV isn't the original, it's a translation of the original.
Very true Patrick, although many believe it is the original. The truth is the original does not exist, at least no human knows of it's existence. All we have are copies, but through those copies we can discern God's truths.
 

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Dear Patrick1966,
The Kingdom of Heaven doesn't ever come to an end, however, the reign of Christ over the Kingdom of Heaven does come to an end just as Paul stated in 1Cor 15:24.

So does Paul have it wrong? Does Christ reign for ever and ever or does His reign come to an end someday?

The apparent conflict comes from how one translates the Greek phrase "aion aion".

I'll explain below:
God’s creation only pertains to the ages and once the ages come to an end, so does the reign and work of Christ. Scripture is silent on what happened before the ages began and is likewise silent on what will happen after the ages end.

With this truth in mind, the translation of the Greek words of "aion" and its adjective form "aionios" as meaning "for ever" or "everlasting" can and does cause a conflicts within God’s Truth.

Here is an example:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for ever and ever! Amen! (KJV)

Here is the correct translation:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the ages of the ages! Amen!

The phrase "ages of the ages" comes from "aion aion". It does not mean for ever and ever as the KJV translates it. We can know this for sure because of what Paul said:

1Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Christ's reign comes to an end when He destroys the last enemy of death. Christ does not reign for ever and ever.

And likewise, the same error occurs in this verse:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (KJV)

Here is the correct translation:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for the ages of the ages.

And likewise, we can know this for sure because the Lake of Fire is the judgment of Christ. Christ's judgment is for the loving purpose of destroying our old vessel and for teaching us His righteousness:

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

1Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abides which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Once Christ's purpose for His judgment is complete, His judgment will end. Judgment, like Christ's reign, is only for the ages. It does not last for ever and ever as the KJV translates the verse.

Joe

Great post and great discernment my brother!