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[Muna]

what is that emogi you includeed?

I never post those to you, pretend that isnt there.

 

[Doug]

Do you physically fellowship with believers who come to youy?

I thought about it and decided to answer you........I don't physically fellowship with believers because I can't publicly worship and there is no likeminded church that holds to right division in my vicinity.........in the past I attended Baptist churches, but I would not today. because they may present the gospel correctly, for the most part, but they have not rightly divided scripture and apply Israel's teachings to themselves

 

[Doug]

I never post those to you, pretend that isnt there.

OK
Just curious because I am old and can't see well anymore.....but what was it?
it was in post #39

 

[Muna]

OK
Just curious because I am old and can't see well anymore.....but what was it?
it was in post #39

It was a laughy face

 

[Doug]

It was a laughy face

Thanks Truly

 

[Ronald Nolette]

what is your point here........maybe I can directly answer the point of these inquires

Do you have contact with other believers live and in person and fellowship and worship with them? If you can't get to a building where the church gathers, do you have believers who come to you to help nurture you in the faith?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I thought about it and decided to answer you........I don't physically fellowship with believers because I can't publicly worship and there is no likeminded church that holds to right division in my vicinity.........in the past I attended Baptist churches, but I would not today. because they may present the gospel correctly, for the most part, but they have not rightly divided scripture and apply Israel's teachings to themselves

What do you mean by rightly dividing and applying Israel's teachings?

Have you sought out by email or phine many of the churches in your area? I am a Southern Baptist after being an independent Baptist for over 25 years before I moved. I do not agree with all that my pastors and teachers say, but I know th eimportance of fellowship.

You have to decide whether the differences you have are so critical that you cannot worship with saints or whether they are just things that should not create you yanking your self away form the body of Christ and how God wishes to build you up through fellowship.

Remember these words:

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Except for extreme circumstances, God commands us to fellowship with other saints for His glory and praise and so we may be blessede. Even by those we may hold disagreements with concerning Israelology.

 

[Doug]

What do you mean by rightly dividing and applying Israel's teachings?

Rightly dividing is examining scripture to determine the context, the topic, who is being discussed, who is being instructed and who is being commanded. It acknowledges that God has a purpose for Israel to reconcile earth and a purpose for us, the body of Christ, to reconcile the heavenlies. It separates prophecy from mystery. Israel was given prophetic passages in scripture about how they will inherit the land, be a blessing to Gentile nations in the millennial kingdom on earth........they were given covenants and promises. Mystery was not revealed in scripture......mystery was revealed by Christ.....it reveals salvation thru Christ's blood redemption for all without Israel, covenants or the law.....it reveals instruction and commandments for the church.
Baptists and other denominations apply the prophetic promises and commandments given Israel and say they are for them. Paul never commanded us to be water baptized and Baptists baptize according to John's baptism for Israel as an example.

 

[Doug]

I do not agree with all that my pastors and teachers say, but I know th eimportance of fellowship.

This is a personal decision for you alone to make.

For me the purpose of the church is to edify the believer. Is it edifying to be instructed wrongly, mixing what was for Israel with what is for us?

For me fellowship has to in the mystery, we have to be like minded to edify each other. We have to believe only Paul is our apostle and was given our doctrine.

 

[Doug]

What do you mean by rightly dividing and applying Israel's teachings?

Have you sought out by email or phine many of the churches in your area? I am a Southern Baptist after being an independent Baptist for over 25 years before I moved. I do not agree with all that my pastors and teachers say, but I know th eimportance of fellowship.

You have to decide whether the differences you have are so critical that you cannot worship with saints or whether they are just things that should not create you yanking your self away form the body of Christ and how God wishes to build you up through fellowship.

Remember these words:

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Except for extreme circumstances, God commands us to fellowship with other saints for His glory and praise and so we may be blessede. Even by those we may hold disagreements with concerning Israelology.

Here is some scripture in regard to this

[Rom 16:17 KJV] 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Divisions according to teaching other doctrine. What they teach is scriptural it's not dispensational in that it wasnt given to us. We are to avoid them.
For example teaching you have to water baptized to be in the church.

[1Ti 1:3 KJV] 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

[1Ti 4:16 KJV] 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Saved from the error of other doctrine

All scripture is for our learning but our doctrine is from Pl only

 

[Doug]

What do you mean by rightly dividing and applying Israel's teachings?

Have you sought out by email or phine many of the churches in your area? I am a Southern Baptist after being an independent Baptist for over 25 years before I moved. I do not agree with all that my pastors and teachers say, but I know th eimportance of fellowship.

You have to decide whether the differences you have are so critical that you cannot worship with saints or whether they are just things that should not create you yanking your self away form the body of Christ and how God wishes to build you up through fellowship.

Remember these words:

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Except for extreme circumstances, God commands us to fellowship with other saints for His glory and praise and so we may be blessede. Even by those we may hold disagreements with concerning Israelology.

It just occurred to me that I dont know what you disagree with..........it all depends on what you disagree about.
Just as an example do you disagree with the pastor saying Paul was not our apostle or do you disagree with tithing on the net or the gross (by the way I dont think we are commanded to tithe any amount....we give freely)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rightly dividing is examining scripture to determine the context, the topic, who is being discussed, who is being instructed and who is being commanded. It acknowledges that God has a purpose for Israel to reconcile earth and a purpose for us, the body of Christ, to reconcile the heavenlies. It separates prophecy from mystery. Israel was given prophetic passages in scripture about how they will inherit the land, be a blessing to Gentile nations in the millennial kingdom on earth........they were given covenants and promises. Mystery was not revealed in scripture......mystery was revealed by Christ.....it reveals salvation thru Christ's blood redemption for all without Israel, covenants or the law.....it reveals instruction and commandments for the church.
Baptists and other denominations apply the prophetic promises and commandments given Israel and say they are for them. Paul never commanded us to be water baptized and Baptists baptize according to John's baptism for Israel as an example.

Well I can't speak for all Baptists but the statement of faith for the SBC recognizes god is not doen with Israel as a peopleand a nation.

They pretty much follow what you wrote.

The church does not need to reconcile the heavenlies. We go there but not to reconcile.

There were mysteries (or sacred secrets) in the Old and revealed in the new as Paul said several times.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is a personal decision for you alone to make.

For me the purpose of the church is to edify the believer. Is it edifying to be instructed wrongly, mixing what was for Israel with what is for us?

For me fellowship has to in the mystery, we have to be like minded to edify each other. We have to believe only Paul is our apostle and was given our doctrine.

You will never find a church that you will agree with 100%. as long as humans come into the body- we will disagree in areas.

Teh commands to gather and fellowship give no exclusion for disagreements in minor areas. and there are numerous SBC churches that agree with your view on Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here is some scripture in regard to this

[Rom 16:17 KJV] 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Divisions according to teaching other doctrine. What they teach is scriptural it's not dispensational in that it wasnt given to us. We are to avoid them.
For example teaching you have to water baptized to be in the church.

[1Ti 1:3 KJV] 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

[1Ti 4:16 KJV] 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Saved from the error of other doctrine

All scripture is for our learning but our doctrine is from Pl only

I fear you are using disagreements as a license to say divisions.

Are you 100% absolutely correct in all aspects of doctrine? Do you have a complete grasp of all scripture? If not do not be hypocrtical and remove yourself from fellowship with other saints.

God gives no exceptions to be excused from fellowship based on differences in non -soteriological doctrines.

I can and do fellowship with many who hold a different view of eschatology. We both serve and worship the same god as imperfect growing learning believers.

Pre trib, premil rapture is biblical. God beginning the process of gathering Israel to pass under His rod of judgment is biblical.
Israel being the major nationj on earth during the millennial kingdom is biblical

Others havve not been taught that but love the Lord just the same- you should as well. Disagree on these non essentials but do not become divisive by pulling yourself away from fellowship as God commands.

 

[Doug]

Well I can't speak for all Baptists but the statement of faith for the SBC recognizes god is not doen with Israel as a peopleand a nation.

That is true God will fulfill all promises to Israel

 

[Doug]

The church does not need to reconcile the heavenlies. We go there but not to reconcile.

Satan and his angels will be cast down in Rev 12:9
I think we will fill their positions
You dont have to agree
Paul says we will judge angels

 

[Doug]

There were mysteries (or sacred secrets) in the Old and revealed in the new as Paul said several times.

The hidden things of God could not be found in scripture

 

[Doug]

You will never find a church that you will agree with 100%. as long as humans come into the body- we will disagree in areas.

Thats true but we cant capitulate to major doctrine and we can intreat those who which we have disagreements

 

[Doug]

Teh commands to gather and fellowship give no exclusion for disagreements in minor areas.

can I ask what scripture are you saying commands fellowship

 

[Doug]

Are you 100% absolutely correct in all aspects of doctrine

This would say you cant hold to any doctrine if you had to understand all that is written