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Hi ATP, it does say we will not know it. I don,t mean all never see the messenger from God, but it's referring to those Angels that come disguised as human to maybe redirect our path. It will probably be that we think we are helping them, but cleverly they are helping us.ATP said:Can you think of any circumstance where you have entertained an angel without knowing it.
Heb 13:2 NIV Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
YesATP said:So you think angels can take the form of flesh and speak to you and you not know it?
That is pretty much what Heb13:2 says, I'm not really sure what the confusion about? If we are unaware, we are unaware. Whether in retrospect we become aware is a different issue, but at the time we are not aware.lforrest said:
That's so weird to think about. Why does God do that. Testing? Help in our paths?lforrest said:
I think a Christian wil recognize an angel. Unsaved and saved are worlds apart. We get to see the flaws in the saved. This is why an angel with no flaws will stand out. Even if its a short encounter.r4hnsn said:Hi ATP, it does say we will not know it. I don,t mean all never see the messenger from God, but it's referring to those Angels that come disguised as human to maybe redirect our path. It will probably be that we think we are helping them, but cleverly they are helping us.
Maybe they exit in a way that we think, hmmm where did that hitchhiker or stranger go? I've heard of that happening.
Could be angels are just bored.ATP said:That's so weird to think about. Why does God do that. Testing? Help in our paths?
So you think Luke was talking to unbelievers?KingJ said:I think a Christian wil recognize an angel. Unsaved and saved are worlds apart. We get to see the flaws in the saved. This is why an angel with no flaws will stand out. Even if its a short encounter.
Luke, Paul, Jesus always spoke to the church / those in church attendance / those professing to be Christians. There are saved and unsaved in church attendance. There are believers who are unsaved ;).StanJ said:So you think Luke was talking to unbelievers?
Jesus spoke to the lost sheep of Israel, and they were all believers in God. Luke and Paul spoke to believers, and in their day believers were believers, not church goers of today, as you relate to. In the terms used in the Bible, believers are saved. There was a big difference between Jesus speaking to crowds and Luke or Paul speaking / writing to individual churches. Those who went to those churches where saved, or they would never be seen in a Christian Church given the persecution Christians had to endure in those days. Let's try to keep 21st century reality out of the reality of the 1st century church.KingJ said:Luke, Paul, Jesus always spoke to the church / those in church attendance / those professing to be Christians. There are saved and unsaved in church attendance. There are believers who are unsaved ;).
I don't agree. Jesus was fast being demonized by pharisees. Crowds would follow for loyalty and / or the need for a / to see a miracle. I figure this is pretty much on par with the early church as Paul and the disciples operated pretty much as Jesus did with mircales.StanJ said:There was a big difference between Jesus speaking to crowds and Luke or Paul speaking / writing to individual churches.
They believed for a while because they had no root Luke 8:13 NIV.KingJ said:There are believers who are unsaved ;).
I think that would be the extent of a heavenly visitation. Your not going to find out that someone you've known for a long time is an angel.KingJ said:Unless the encounter with the angel is limited to '''do you want a bag for your grocery items sir?''' :).
You don't agree there is a big difference between Jesus vs Paul & Luke? Hmmmm.KingJ said:I don't agree. Jesus was fast being demonized by pharisees. Crowds would follow for loyalty and / or the need for a / to see a miracle. I figure this is pretty much on par with the early church as Paul and the disciples operated pretty much as Jesus did with mircales.
Just also as I think on this it is definitely also maturity. A mature Christian should be a better judge of character. Especially today when Christians stand out like sore thumbs sweet roses.
Think about it Stan. Probably 1/100 people that come your way are selfless. You telling me you will not better examine / think about this person?