Envisioning Heaven: No more donuts or football?
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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My definition of the soul is the contents of our mind.
Which includes our personal identity.
In NDE testimonies the mind still works outside of the physical body.
With senses still intact. Seeing, hearing...
... observing the doctors while the patient is physically unconscious.
I liken it to the contents of a computer hard drive.
The data can be transferred to another "drive".
Our brain is like an organic hard drive.
In the afterlife our mind/soul/identity will be attached to our spiritual body/spirit. IMHO
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Sounds reasonable to me. So, in essence, a brain transplant would actually be a body transplant.
ChristisGod
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Revelation 21-22 describe the New Heavens and the New Earth. We will be living on the new earth which will be better that the original garden was with adam.
St. SteVen
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Perhaps more like a mind transplant.
Did you see the Tom Hanks movie, Big?
Like that. - LOL
Although, I guess that was a body transplant, sort of.
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My logic is that if my primary functioning persona is my brain, a brain transplant would merely be getting a new body, as the brainless body is just an earthly tool for locomotion. I'll need to check out the movie Big.
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Dear Adrift,
Here is my understanding:
A person's mind is not their brain. Their brain is flesh and contains their mind.
The mind is a component of the spirit but it needs a body to have consciousness. That is the reason why the bodily resurrection is so important, because without it, a person is dead.
Below is the very simple formula for life that scripture reveals to us:
SPIRIT + PHYSICAL BODY = A LIVING SOUL
If the person is saved, then upon their resurrection, this is the formula for life:
SPIRIT + SPIRITUAL BODY = A QUICKENING SPIRIT
The SPIRIT consists of a "heart" and a "mind". I believe the "heart" is equivalent to the term "spiritual nature" and it dictates what goes into the mind (thoughts and beliefs).
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
For that reason, when a person is converted from a child of the Devil into a child of God, their heart will be changed because it will now be governed by the Holy Spirit rather than by the flesh/spirit of anti-Christ. This is a fast spiritual process.
As for the mind, it is "renewed" and "transformed" by the new heart within the person, however, this spiritual process is very slow.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In God's Word, Christ teaches us by using spiritual symbols which are used in analogies, parables and types.
Adam and Eve are spiritual symbols for mankind's spiritual makeup:
ADAM + EVE = ONE FLESH (ONE PERSON)
Adam represents the mind and Eve represents the heart/spiritual nature.
In mankind's carnal spiritual state, Adam is called the Old Man/Man of Sin and Eve is called a Woman/Great Harlot.
After a person is born again by receiving the Latter Rain, judgment will quickly follow. The story of Lot and his wife "typed" this judgment and that is why Christ refers to them in His end-time teachings on conversion. Revelation chapter 18 also presents the destruction of the Great Harlot during a person's conversion.
John the Baptist was a "type" for the Old Man (carnal mind) and that is why John said this:
John 3:30 He must increase but I must decrease.
The Great Harlot (heart/spiritual nature) is destroyed in "one hour". It happens very quickly. However, the mind (Old Man) is slowly transformed. That spiritual process of transformation can be called the maturing process of the new child of God into a fully grown son. This spiritual process happens as the person receives "truth" from the Spirit of Truth and by the chastisements of Christ.
Joe
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BarneyFife
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Anybody can bang on a drum - lol.
Besides, if we're doing that, I'm calling the Adrian Belew spot (even though I can't play a lick).
There was a band called "13th Floor Elevators."
They made a documentary about the lead guy—Rocky What's-his-name (Erikson?). He went off the rails, I think.
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Umm… unfortunately, his brain is now, as you put it, “worm food.”
But he’s coming back.
St. SteVen
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Well... hard to say...
"... Has he left the building? Can he come to the phone? ..."
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BarneyFife
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I had a really great reply to this (well, maybe not great) but I can't post it. People wouldn't understand.
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St. SteVen
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PM me.I had a really great reply to this (well, maybe not great) but I can't post it. People wouldn't understand.
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I wish he was! He’s one of my favorite singers! And his “Blue Hawaii” movie is in my top 20!
But if he was alive, he’d be over 85 years old! (Probably couldn’t carry a tune… at least, not as well!)
But he’s coming back. That’s what I believe.
Take care, my cousin.
Bob Estey
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No way to know for sure that I am aware of. My best guess:
Heaven would be similar to our lives now, but much better, because there'll be no more sin. I would expect heaven to be a very beautiful place. I think our pets will be there.
St. SteVen
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Yes.
Isn't it strange that we believe that our pets will be there, but our children might not make it?
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Bob Estey
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I believe there are two definitions of the word "heaven."
I believe the heaven Jesus spoke of is the peace of mind we get when we repent of our sin (Matthew 4:17).
But we humans think of heaven as the "place" we go after we die.
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