Eternal Security Promised

[Taken]

Better post.

New Covenant, yes. That was not the issue though.

I already posted the scripture. If you cannot understand, so be it.

The New Covenant, New Testament, New Offering IS a New Teaching.
I gave Scripture in support of the NEW...
You call that gibberish. What you call it, has none effect on Scriptural Teaching of THE NEW, and none effect on "people like me", WHO accept the "NEW Teaching".

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The New Covenant, New Testament, New Offering IS a New Teaching.
I gave Scripture in support of the NEW...
You call that gibberish. What you call it, has none effect on Scriptural Teaching of THE NEW, and none effect on "people like me", WHO accept the "NEW Teaching".

The topic is Eternal Security.

I don’t know how you ended up arguing about the New Testament.

“If” hasn’t been abolished by the “new teaching” in the New Covenant. This is what I challenged you on; not wether or not the New Testament is a new teaching. I am not arguing that!

 

[Taken]

The topic is Eternal Security.

I don’t know how you ended up arguing about the New Testament.

“If” hasn’t been abolished by the “new teaching” in the New Covenant. This is what I challenged you on; not wether or not the New Testament is a new teaching. I am not arguing that!

* The OLD Testament, The OLD Covenant, The OLD WAY to receive Salvation....
WAS NOT Abolished!
IT WAS Fulfilled!

* A NEW testament, A NEW Covenant, A NEW WAY to receive Salvation....
WAS INTRODUCTED TO THE WORLD; FIRST to the Jews, THEN to ALL the Tribes, THEN to the Gentiles.

* YOU CAN IGNORE the OT, OLD Covenant, OLD WAY as was given TO the Hebrews, the Tribes...
* YOU CAN FOLLOW the "WAY" of the OT, Old Covenant....
* YOU CAN FOLLOW the "WAY" of the NT, New Covenant...
* OR YOU CAN DO as SOME "CHRISTIAN" "Priests" and Pastors PREACH....
"DECLARE yourself NOT under the OT LAW, but are under the NEW Covenant, the NEW WAY to Receive Salvation......but, but, but...
CONTINUE to USE OT LAWS AGAINST men."

It is an INDIVIDUALS freewill to "CHOOSE", what they will follow....

OT..."TEACHING" whereby the POWER of God will BE WITH them...IF they remain in Faith.

NT...."TEACHING" whereby the POWER of God will BE "WITH and IN" them FOREVER....IF they BECOME Converted "IN" Christ.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

NT...."TEACHING" whereby the POWER of God will BE "WITH and IN" them FOREVER....IF they BECOME Converted "IN" Christ.

Not only converted, but endurance in the conversion as well.

I’m not going to bother quoting supporting scripture because it’s pointless to do so to sectarians.

 

[Taken]

Not only converted, but endurance in the conversion as well.

Disagree.

Endurance is EFFORT TO REMAIN in the SAME state.

IF....you are Converted IN Christ....REALLY ?you have to put forth EFFORT, by your own POWER to REMAIN Converted?

I don't. I FREELY Accepted the Lords Offering, of HIS POWER "IN" me TO KEEP me "IN" Faith "IN" the Lord God....FOREVER.
THAT ^ IS one of the PRIMARY BLESSINGS OF a Conversion!!

I’m not going to bother quoting supporting scripture because it’s pointless to do so to sectarians.

It IS Pointless when Speaking of the Converted....because it does not Apply to them.

It IS ON POINT when Speaking of those WHO BELIEVE, but are NOT CONVERTED....THEY must ENDURE, ie. remain in a state of Belief (by their own effort and power) to the end of their physical life....TO receive Salvation AT the time of their physical death.

You apparently STILL do NOT comprehend the Difference Between....ONLY ...WITH God...and WITH AND IN Christ.

And BTW...your sectarian implication....is Laughable.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What do you mean by “They can not come to Jesus, successfully.”?

I mean it the way that you yourself are saying it. ↓↓↓

After Jesus miraculously fed the multitude of five thousand, Jesus said to those who went after Him, seeking Him the following day, that no one can ‘come to Him’ unless it has been granted to him by My Father. It could be said that they had ‘come to Him’. But obviously, that is not the sense of ‘come to Him’ that Jesus meant in what He said to them. What He meant by ‘come to Me’ is to have faith in Him, that is, believe and trust Him.

Some 'come to him' drawn by some appetite of the flesh. Others 'come to him' because of their sin, and it is these that God has drawn to Jesus. They are coming to him in the conviction of their sins, not to get some worldly appetite satisfied. It's interesting how many churches these days use the appetites of the flesh to draw people to Jesus not realizing they are not drawing those God draws to Jesus.

 

[Addy]

WE either believe that God will finish within us what HE has begun... which is a good work... or we don't...
We either choose to rest in the promises of Christ or we don't.
If we are not resting in complete confidence... we are then choosing to depend on our own good works rather than God's.

It's a very simple choice... be obedient unto HIS word... or make up your own formula to make yourself feel good.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
What do you mean by “They can not come to Jesus, successfully.”?

I mean it the way that you yourself are saying it. ↓↓↓

Tong2020 said: ↑
After Jesus miraculously fed the multitude of five thousand, Jesus said to those who went after Him, seeking Him the following day, that no one can ‘come to Him’ unless it has been granted to him by My Father. It could be said that they had ‘come to Him’. But obviously, that is not the sense of ‘come to Him’ that Jesus meant in what He said to them. What He meant by ‘come to Me’ is to have faith in Him, that is, believe and trust Him.

Some 'come to him' drawn by some appetite of the flesh. Others 'come to him' because of their sin, and it is these that God has drawn to Jesus. They are coming to him in the conviction of their sins, not to get some worldly appetite satisfied. It's interesting how many churches these days use the appetites of the flesh to draw people to Jesus not realizing they are not drawing those God draws to Jesus.

<<<Some 'come to him' drawn by some appetite of the flesh. Others 'come to him' because of their sin, and it is these that God has drawn to Jesus. They are coming to him in the conviction of their sins, not to get some worldly appetite satisfied. >>>

And so, not all people are drawn by the Father to Jesus, only “some”.

Who are this “some”?

They are the people whom Jesus refers to in His statement “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. “

Note the sequence. The giving comes before the coming, and not the other way around.

And regarding them whom the Father gives to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

Tong
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[Addy]

And regarding them whom the Father gives to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

How Wonderful... how Glorious... Thanks be to GOD.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
And regarding them whom the Father gives to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

How Wonderful... how Glorious... Thanks be to GOD.

Amen!

Tong
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[Addy]

Amen!

Your posts always bring me hope and great JOY....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And regarding them whom the Father gives to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

Which is why we are told to hold firmly to so great a High Priest.

 

[Cooper]

Eternal Security Promisd

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Of course we are saved eternally provided we do not do what Adam did in the Garden.
Added: The repentant sinner is always forgiven. :)
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[Ferris Bueller]

I have the mind that their relationship as children of God, legitimate that is, is not something that is up to them to choose to continue or not.

Yes, I understand that underneath all your contentions is your Calvinistic definition of predestination, and all the doctrines that must accompany that definition. Which is ultimately why it's really a waste of time to talk to you about this. For, until you understand predestination for what it actually is, everything built on your faulty understanding of predestination will remain.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...regardless if everlasting life for you, with reference to Jesus’ statement “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”, only means a life that never ends.

When you read Hebrews you can see that the everlasting quality of life in Jesus' Sacrifice and Ministry is in comparison to the not-so-everlasting life provided by an old covenant priest's sacrifice and ministry. And so it is everlasting in that His Sacrifice will never not be on the altar in heaven with High Priest Jesus always alive and interceding for you. But many people think it is everlasting in that you can not lose it. He will not lose you. You can cast it away, but He will never fail you.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
And regarding them whom the Father gives to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

Which is why we are told to hold firmly to so great a High Priest.

Rather, Jesus keeps and holds those whom the Father had given to Him. And it was commanded of Him by the Father concerning them, that He should lose none, not one. And He certainly will lose none.

But base on your belief, you or any one of your company has the power to make Jesus fail on that. All that any one of you have to do is reject Him, let go of Him, and that’s it.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Of course we are saved eternally provided we do not do what Adam did in the Garden.
Added: The repentant sinner is always forgiven. :)
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No man, given by the Father to Jesus, drawn by the Father to come and believe in Christ Jesus, will not be raised up at the last day unto eternal life by Christ. And no one of them have any power nor were given and received any power to change that, that will render Jesus to have failed to do the will of God concerning them. For concerning them whom the Father have given to the Son, Jesus said “This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.”

Do you think any true Christian, have the power to prevent that from happening, or have the power to reject Jesus Christ?

Do you think any true Christian, have that power?

A power, in that respect, greater than all else , even greater than the hand of God Himself?

For it is said in scriptures “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?”.

Paul said regarding that, “For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Do you not have the same persuasion as Paul? I do.

Do you think you have that power, the power to reject Jesus Christ?

If you think you do, well.…. what can I say?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I have the mind that their relationship as children of God, legitimate that is, is not something that is up to them to choose to continue or not.

Yes, I understand that underneath all your contentions is your Calvinistic definition of predestination, and all the doctrines that must accompany that definition. Which is ultimately why it's really a waste of time to talk to you about this. For, until you understand predestination for what it actually is, everything built on your faulty understanding of predestination will remain.

Thank you for your opinion about me. But if it is not so much to ask, please look not at me, but at what I post which comes from no other, but in my reading of the scriptures.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
...regardless if everlasting life for you, with reference to Jesus’ statement “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”, only means a life that never ends.

When you read Hebrews you can see that the everlasting quality of life in Jesus' Sacrifice and Ministry is in comparison to the not-so-everlasting life provided by an old covenant priest's sacrifice and ministry. And so it is everlasting in that His Sacrifice will never not be on the altar in heaven with High Priest Jesus always alive and interceding for you. But many people think it is everlasting in that you can not lose it. He will not lose you. You can cast it away, but He will never fail you.

Well, if “everlasting life” to you in the statement of Jesus which goes “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”, only refers to a life that never ends”, so be it for you. And if “everlasting life” for you there is one that you have the power to lose, then so be it for you.

Tong
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[Ferris Bueller]

Rather, Jesus keeps and holds those whom the Father had given to Him.

Well, you don't keep yourself, lol.
What you do is keep yourself in His care.