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Netchaplain

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“Hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus” (Eph 2:6). The important question is, Where are you living? On which level do you normally reside? Are you experientially living in the “heavenly places” day by day? The Lord Jesus meant just that when He said, “Abide in Me.” Abide means to stay where you are. Positionally, you are there. Rest in your blessed portion, in the One who is your life (Col 3:4), by faith in the facts.

Your two mortal enemies, Satan and the old man, will seek to drag you down in spirit—down into the sense realm, into depression, under circumstances or conditions. But your rightful position is on top; therefore, refuse to come down. Never be governed by your fluctuating feelings. What is true concerning your justification is also true concerning your sanctification. Feelings do not count! It is your Father’s fact that matters. Assert and affirm your position by faith in the completed work.

I was much impressed some years ago, at a Missionary Conference, to hear an aged missionary, recently home from the field, assert that she had often longed to know this heavenly position, but had never been able to get there—or, as she expressed it, to get “within the veil.” One of the leaders present was able to take her to the Word at Ephesians 2:6. He explained that in the purpose of her Father she was already there. This was the Father’s fact. There was no need to strive for a position that was already hers’.

“You are there; believe it and take your position, by simple faith in the Word.” It was a joy to see the glow that came into her face and her blessed release as she recognized that simple truth for the first time, after forty years on the foreign field. It is not an act to be performed, or an ideal to be realized, but a fact to be believed. It is not a promise to be pleaded or claimed, or appropriated, but an established truth to be rested in.

When distributing tracts in a village in the Yorkshire dales, some distance from the railway station, a Christian worker entered the dwelling of a dear old saint of God, eight-four years of age, who lived there alone. One room was all she occupied and everything in it bespoke the most abject poverty. If the contents of her abode had been knocked down at the auctioneer’s hammer, the whole of it would not have fetched more than five shillings.

Being desirous of cheering and comforting his aged friend, he remarked to her: “Well, Margaret, soon we shall have done for ever with the trials and difficulties of the way and be fully happy with the blessed Lord Jesus up yonder.” “That’s my home now, sir,” she replied. Finding he had begun much below the mark, he sped on, with a view of helping her if possible and said, “Yes, Margaret, soon we shall be in that bright Home, that Father’s house above, with the Lord Jesus, rejoicing ever in His presence.” “I live there now, sir,” was her bright and smiling reply.

Finding himself still very considerably in the rear, he hastened on to say, “How blessed it will be, Margaret—will it not?—when we and all the redeemed are praising Him together in the glory forever!” “I sing there every night, sir,” was her joyous response. Thus his expectations were more than realized; for instead of helping “poor Margaret, he was instructed and helped himself. –Reginald Wallis
 

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I am not sure if you will receive this but I write for the benefit of anyone who will read.

Justification and Sanctification cannot be separated. Those who teach "Positionally, you are there" overlook the following.

God reckoned Abraham righteous by his faith apart from works.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Yet the "kind of faith" that God reckons as righteous is this kind...

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

When the Bible says it is "faith apart from works" it is in this context...

Rom 4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

The reason that it was reckoned in uncircumcision is because God looks at the heart. Abraham going out and getting circumcised was simply the act of "exercising" his faith because his faith was genuine. Abraham was fully convinced in his mind that what God said was true, thus Abraham entrusted himself to God which is why...

Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

And also...

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Genuine saving faith is ALWAYS connected to obedience to God. It is for this very reason that Justification and Sanctification cannot be separated. If one truly believes God and is obeying God from the heart (Rom 6:17) then the corresponding truth is manifest sanctification. Sanctification is simply being separated unto holiness, ie. to walk with God.

Thus is it error to teach that one is "positionally justified" and yet can be "manifestly unsanctified."


Now it is important to consider the fact that there is the aspect of growth in sanctifcation whereby one will more and more put on the image of Christ and they grow in understanding. This is known as the "perfecting of the saints" (Eph 4:12). Yet what many theologians have done is twisted this "perfecting of the saints" into the concept of "rebelling less and less." There is no rebellion within a true saint of God for they have forsaken their rebellion in repentance and have had their consciences purged of sin by the blood of Christ. There may be ignorance in a saint, but not rebellion. The maturing of a Christian is the purging of ignorance, not the purging of rebellion.




Netchaplain you state this, "There was no need to strive for a position that was already hers’."

Yet the Bible says this...

1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul compared the Christian walk to that of athletes in a race. An athlete must strive and keep his body in subjection lest he disqualifies himself.

Peter made a similar allusion...

2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Paul also stated this...

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Paul also warned...

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

There is no such thing as "positional" justification apart from manifest sanctification.
 
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ScottAU said:
Justification and Sanctification cannot be separated. Those who teach "Positionally, you are there" overlook the following.

There is no such thing as "positional" justification apart from manifest sanctification.
Hi Scott - I do appreciate your posts and usually find some agreement in them, as I do in this one concerning "justification" and "sanctification," in that I agree the two are inseparable from one another, along with holiness, righteousness, etc. which is all inclusive when imputed at rebirth.

The understanding (which produces beliefs) between believers often varies, resulting in a limited capacity to explain and share our beliefs with one another in a clear description. Since many believers are unfamiliar with each other's doctrinal concepts concerning major-but-fundamental teachings of Scripture, we are at a disadvantage when attempting to share without significant impedance.

For example, for me to share with what I believe is meant by "Positional and Conditional Truth" would not be understood to one who does not accept OSAS, which many do not believe is true (which I do believe). So, when Ephesians 2:6 states that God "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus," to me it means our present position is Christ's present heavenly place and is as factual as being there now because we will be there later and we will not be anymore saved then, than we are now; same as that we "were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise; Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession" (Eph 1:13, 14).

Our "condition" is the present physical state we are in here and our "position" is the present spiritual state we are in There, where Jesus is now; "as He is (present tense), so are we in this world (present tense--1 John 4:17). The concepts of these passages between a non-OSAS and an OSAS cannot mean the same, because the two do not conceive the same Scriptural doctrine basis.

As indicated, the "position" concept has to do with our present place with Christ in heaven and includes our present possessions in Christ, which includes, "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2 Pet 1:3). There's nothing that can be added that the believer does not already possess, in which all that remains is, as you've indicated, the ongoing process of "being conformed" (Rom 8:29) by the godliness (salvation), which is the "working out" (Phil 2:12), not for, but from within the godliness.

I believe the misunderstanding between Grace and works lies primarily in the concept of which came first. "Grace teachers" appear to misinterpret works and "works teachers" appear to misinterpret grace, both of which are important to comprehend "rightly." I'm within the grace-first concept, in which "good works" (Matt 5:16) will evince the grace, but not affect it (sustain or detract).
 

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ScottAU said:
I am not sure if you will receive this but I write for the benefit of anyone who will read.

Justification and Sanctification cannot be separated. Those who teach "Positionally, you are there" overlook the following.

God reckoned Abraham righteous by his faith apart from works.
It is difficult to place into words< I believe we make a step after receiving the HS I believe we pass from being a born again servant to Christ to becoming a bond servant. I explain a bit in this thread I started, http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/16944-matthew-2531-40-let-me-hear-from-u/

I like this example but it happens after Abram became Abraham If you understand what I'm trying to say.

15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” 19
 

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Paul and James were perfectly in sync and the Holy Spirit used them to speak to two separate issues.


Paul is fearful of dead works without a living faith.
James is fearful of a dead faith that produces no good works.