Evolution?

[martinlawrencescott]

As far as God being God and all, He could have created the whole universe in both seven days and over the course billions of year. Woah! Mind trip.

 

[JisaL]

It takes much more faith to believe in evolution. Just think for a while. Unplug your computers mouse. Now through the mouse up in the air until it accidently reconnect with your computer. Now think about your hand and all your body parts, what are the chances they all feel together just right to make you. And then someone to mate with to create another person. How complex is this earth and solar system. Was it chance, an accident. Seems far easier to believe in a God and creation. They can't even figure out what caused the BANG!

I think you're misinterpreting the theory, though. It doesn't say things happened by accident. In fact, it suggests that the natural selection that accounts for complexity of life is exactly opposite of an accident. And just because somethings easier doesn't mean it's correct. I'm looking for solid evidence, not just probability that evolution occurs is less than capable compared to the abilities of god.

I totally agree with you about the Fall being essential. I also agree with you about being made in the image of God. Yeah, I have a hard time with all life evolving from nothing - I think the theory of evolution is quite primitive - it needs a lot more work.

What do you find primitive about it?

It is not a matter of which story is more plausible, for me. It comes down to God's character - is God the type of personage to bury bones and create rock formations and rings in trees that indicate an old Earth, on purpose? Just to screw with us? We are limited enough as it is - why would God go to such elaborate lengths to confuse and mislead us? The Bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion and I believe it. Also, why would God create intelligent people if He wanted them all to burn in Hell for using their minds?

I want to agree with this. It seems silly to attempt to deny such things as evolution and science. But that's where my problem lies. Much of what's in the bible is just flat out wrong in the face of modern evidence and that is very testing for my faith. Sometimes it's hard to accept the teaching of the bible of some are so wrong (such as creation of man and earth,)

I don't claim to be a scientist, nor a geologist, but history of the earth's layers gives evidence of a creation. There are no fossil evidences for a gradual evolving over time, but a springing forth of life. This is why evolutionists center much of their goals on trying find fossils of supposed missing links of humans evolving at various stages. They have yet to prove any such missing link.

This is just demonstrably false. The geological timescales strictly displays evidence against a biblical creation. Also, we have thousands of fossils ( "missing links") showing evolution of man from earlier "ape-like" ancestors. And thats just for us; we have many many more for other animals' evolution.

As for the evolutionists, and I mean die-hards like Ricahrd Dawkins need to udnerstand that what they believe needs faith, afterall evolution is just a theory and maybe one day they will come up with something else.

I think you're misunderstanding the term "theory." It's not simply just a theory. A scientific theory is the highest level of scientific understanding thats that is based upon numerous (indeed hundreds in some cases) of years of experiments and data in favor of the theory. In truth there is as much debate in the scientific community about the theory of evolution as there is about the theory of gravity.

The Socialist and Como's push this rubbish of man being evolving from an ape and they have to push it because it is vital to their cause as they reject Christ.

Christ has to be out of the way because he is a threat to them and their cunning under handed lies as these people desperately try to drag everyone down to there filthy clutches then you will be treated the way they would treat a animal.

I don't think you are justified in having such an extreme view. Most atheists I have spoken to aren't "christ rejectors." It's silly to suggest that as if they have a purposeful intent to destroy our god. They simply have an opposing view. You speak as if they are evil people trying to destroy our lives but every one of them I've met is just as moral as you or I and respect human life and don't wish to treat anybody like animals.

It seems most of us, who don't flat out deny science, are trying to reconcile it with our faith. But it doesn't seem possible and this is very trying to me. I'm almost certain that I can't take the many stories, that I grew up being taught as fact, as literal translations. However, in light of this my faith as a whole is being pushed to an edge; I'm having a hard time trusting in the word of my god that I've known my whole life when much of that that is written can't be trusted. I'm sorry of this offends some of you but this is the biggest struggle of my life and I would like to know your responses or if you've had experience with this? Thank you.

 

[Duckybill]

They can't even figure out what caused the BANG!

God said "Let there be" and BANG!

 

[Duckybill]

I'll take the literal six day creation.

Exodus 20:11 (ESV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

I always take the literal, unless there's VERY good reason not to.

 

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Can anyone give me reasons why evolution is false? They're teaching it in my school but at home we believe the biblical creation and the two don't seem to mix. They teach it as fact but is there any reason not to believe it?

If truth be told the whole subject of evolution has 'devolved' into a political circus.

It can be more accurately labeled political science rather than biological science. As such it is a fascinating study.

The main reason supporters argue so vehemently is that evolutionary theory, of which there are at least three mutually exclusive versions, supports atheist humanism. Modern atheism requires the scientific support of evolutionary theory to prop up it's foolish assertions. Take that away and all the logic assembled in the last one hundred fifty years will fall like a house of cards.

There are more solid classical arguments to support atheism, but being human the modern God haters have forgotten all that. Instead they rely on Mr. Darwin's nebulous data and assertions to build their agenda against the church.

The problem with technology is that it fails us every day.
Few want to admit it, however.

Something more certain and rock solid needs to be discovered.

How about this......

The Creation story in the Bible is a revelation to Moses that was supposed to teach us about God's sovereignty and the human condition, not a science text on the creation of the Earth. The revelation took 7 days. It is a true story, but not literally true.

Evolution is not incapable with Christianity, just literalism.

Once again, well said.

 

[aspen]

What do you find primitive about it?

I didn't use the word 'primitive' in a derogatory manner - I'll I am saying is the theory of evolution is still in it's infancy; scientists will uncover a lot more evidence in the future, which will probably lead us in many new directions. I think psychology is also in it's infancy.



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I want to agree with this. It seems silly to attempt to deny such things as evolution and science. But that's where my problem lies. Much of what's in the bible is just flat out wrong in the face of modern evidence and that is very testing for my faith. Sometimes it's hard to accept the teaching of the bible of some are so wrong (such as creation of man and earth,) [/size][/font][font="arial] [/font][font="arial] [/font][font="arial][size="2"]This is just demonstrably false. The geological timescales strictly displays evidence against a biblical creation. Also, we have thousands of fossils ( "missing links") showing evolution of man from earlier "ape-like" ancestors. And thats just for us; we have many many more for other animals' evolution.[/size][/font]

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