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Eze. 17 Who Is True Israel/Lost Tribes

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  1. Christina

    Christina New Member

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    I know its long:) but worth the read it is the entire chapter I cant make it shorter read it a couple verses a day..............................................................................................Eze. 17 A message for all Today God is speaking here in a parable so that some that hear these words simply will not understand. Jesus was asked by His disciples in Matthew 13:10 why He spake in parables, "and He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." Matthew 13:11. The reference to them are to theTares/ Kenites, and others that it is not meant for them to understand. If you can hear and understand, then it was intended for you to know the parable. To the others it is simple and just foolishness.Ezekiel seventeen is the parable of the Babylonian wars In Revelation sixteen we are taught how the entire world will fall to Babylon, and all that had the "mark of the beast" in their forehead, which is believing that the first Christ to arrive is the Jesus, will gladly run to Satan, the Antichrist. This Babylonian will claim the souls of the people of the entire earth, all that is except God's elect.This Babylon is what is called "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.' Revelation 17:5. Mystery Babylon is a Religious form, and the Antichrist will have complete control over that form. That Babylon will present itself in two forms, or as referred in Revelation thirteen, as two beasts that rise up out of the seas, or nations. The first is a political beast which is controlling us today in the form of the One World Order. While the second beast Antichrist /Satan will come into being as a power when the first receives its "mortal head wound", antichrist/Satan heals this deadly woundThis is what this parable is all about.Ezekiel 17:1 "And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,"Ezekiel 17:2 "Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;"This "riddle and parable" is God's overall plan. It is God's warning as to what is actually going to happen. The "House of Israel" is the ten tribes that were scattered by the Assyrian army between 745 and 722 B.C. and that call themselves "Caucasians" today. They are the Christian nations scattered around the world. Hosea 1:10 identifies these people.Hosea 1:10; "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, tat in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My People,' there it shall be said unto them, 'Ye are the sons of the living God." The living God is "Jesus Christ", the the believers in Jesus Christ are called "Christians"This riddle that is spoken in this parable is to all the Christian nations.Ezekiel 17:3 "And say, 'Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, long winged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:"The "Great wings" show that the creature in this parable will have much power.eagle--the king of birds. The literal Hebrew is, "the great eagle." The symbol of the Assyrian supreme god, Nisroch; so applied to "the great king" of Babylon, his vicegerent on earth (Jer 48:40; 49:22). His "wings" are his great forces. Such symbols were very familiar to the Jews, Long winged: implys the wide extent of his power,full of feathers--when they have been renewed after moulting; and so in the full freshness of renovated youth (Ps 103:5; Isa 40:31). Answering to the many peoples which, as tributaries, constituted the strength of Babylon. Divers colours represents a variety of languages,peoples and customs,of the peole of Babylon Just as it represents the Babylon of end times the One world system under contol of Antichrist/ SatanThis is when King Nebuchadnezzar came down and took king Jehoiachin of Judah captive. This book of Ezekiel is dated from that kingship. King Jehoiachin is the "highest branch of the cedar", which represents all Israel in the parable.It is important that you notice that it will only be the sons of king Jehoiachin that will be taken captive, and not the daughters. It is these daughters that Jeremiah the prophet would later take to Europe, and continue the Royal throne there, yes even to this day.This is the begining of the mystery of Ten lost tribes that would become the christain nations of today later in Eze37 to be called Joseph and Ephraim (the jews of today are called Judha) they are the two sticks (branches of the same tree) Listen to the riddle, for it is important.Ezekiel 17:4 "He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants."This is to say the King Nebuchadnezzar took Jehoiachin and his sons, the top of his young twigs, and he carried them into Babylon, the capital of the world at that time, and the city of merchants.Ezekiel 17:5 "He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.""The seed of the land", is king Zedekiah of the house of Judah, the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin with the Levite priests scattered amongst them.(these two tribes will be called Judah in futher future prochecy as it was the largest tribe we call it Todays Israel that is todays Jews) However Nebuchadnezzar left the king in charge with many of the people of Judah. Nebuchadnezzar gave Zedekiah a flowing river of supplies, as long as he would obey the rule from Babylon. In the prophecies of II Kings, Judah was to obey Nebuchadnezzar, for God said that he was His servant.In Daniel 4 we see that Nebuchadnezzar(is sometimes called a type of antichrist because of his title king of Babylon which is also another name for Satan) was brought to repentance and was the author of Daniel chapter four. In our generation, Satan, the Nebuchadnezzar of the end times, is also a servant of God, only Satan will not repent, and he has already been sentence to death. This is how Satan gets the name "son of Perdition".Ezekiel 17:6 "And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs."Nebuchadnezzar allowed the nation of Judah(vine) to grow slowly,Judah was prosperous , however he would not allow it to become the great powerful nation that it once was. The branches, or the people turned to Babylon for support, and Zedekiah had ten sons as well as daughters, while he ruled in Judah.Ezekiel 17:7 "There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: an, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation."This other "great eagle" with "great wings" is Pharaoh, the king of Egypt. This king, the Pharaoh of Egypt "bend her roots", or tried to get Zedekiah to come to Egypt for their support, and protection. Pharaoh promised that Israel could draw strength from Egypt, and in turn the pharaoh wanted to use Zedekiah, combined with his forces to defeat Nebuchadnezzar.God had instructed Zedekiah through the prophets Ezekiel and Jeremiah, "follow the king of Babylon, you will be there exactly seventy years." Then I will deliver you out of his hand. Now we see that Zedekiah is trying to find another way to out of what God said will come to pass. vine . . . bend . . . roots towards him--literally, "thirsted after him with its roots"; expressing the longings after Egypt in the Jewish heart. Zedekiah sought the alliance of Egypt, as though by it he could throw off his dependence on Babylon (2Ki 24:7, 20; 2Ch 36:13; Jer 37:5, 7). Ezekiel 17:8 "It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine."It was planted in a good soil--It was not want of the necessaries of life, nor oppression on the port of Nebuchadnezzar, which caused Zedekiah to revolt: it was gratuitous ambition, pride, and ingratitude.Ezekiel 17:9 "Say thou, 'Thus saith the Lord God; 'Shall it prosper? shall He not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof."Shall it prosper? Anything that goes against God's word and will not prosper. God will pull them up by the roots, without great power or many--It shall not need all the forces of Babylon to destroy it; a small division of the army will suffice because God will deliver it into Nebuchadnezzar's hand (Jer 37:10).when Christ cursed the the fig tree, and in the parable that fig tree, that tree would be planted in the end times,( Jews returned to Israel May 1948 planting of the fig tree) with its baskets of both the good and bad figs. This was future in Ezekiel's day, yet it is past history now.Zedekiah's moving to combine forces with the Pharaoh did not prosper, and neither will the forces of the Antichrist, and his bad figs of Jerusalem in these last days.fig tree Parable Studieshttp://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...10815#post10815short version http://www.christianityboard.com/parable-f...ht=parable+tree
     
  2. Christina

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    Ezekiel 17:10 "Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither the furrows where it grew'."You can plant anything you want against God's will, and it shall not prosper. The leaves will come forth, but there will be no fruit on the efforts that you give. The "east wind" is the hot wind right of the desert, and in the Scriptures it is the Holy Spirit of God, and if your planting is against God's will that wind will scourge it and it will dry up.Ezekiel 17:11 "Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,"Ezekiel 17:12 "Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;"God told Ezekiel to go to this rebellious house of Zedekiah, and tell them this riddle, and explain it to them. This king of Babylon of the end times, is Satan the Antichrist, and he will come to Jerusalem in our time, and replace the powers that are in force, and replace it with ten kings, or agencies of power. That rule will be a one world system.it comes in peacfully and prosperously (it is the first beast in Rev.)Zedekiah's power and authority, was just like the power and authority that exists today in Jerusalem, and else where. They set forth to obtain their world peace and compatibility with neighbors that God never intended. Then at the time they move to complete the false peace, God will bring it to an end. Just like king Nebuchadnezzar of old moved against Jerusalem to destroy it, so also Satan will also do likewise. Just like Zedekiah was taken, and his eyes put out, and his sons killed; so also will the spiritual death be to those that place their hope in the false hope of the rapture dogma. Zedekiah leaned on Pharaoh, or the ways of man, rather then listening to God, and escaping with his life.Ezekiel 17:13 "And hath taken of the king's seed, and made a covenant with him, and hath taken an oath of him: he hath also taken the mighty of the land:"God is saying that King Zedekiah did not honor his oath.Ezekiel 17:14 "That the kingdom might be base, that it might not lift itself up, but that by keeping of his covenant it might stand."King Zedekiah knew that the reason that he was left on the throne by Babylon, was so that the Kingdom of Judah would always exist. though low as to national elevation by being Nebuchadnezzar's dependent; but, at the same time, safe and prosperous, if faithful to the "oath." Nebuchadnezzar dealt sincerely and openly in proposing the conditions, Ezekiel 17:15 "But he rebelled against him in sending his ambassadors into Egypt, that they might give him horses and much people. Shall he prosper? shall he escape that doeth such things? or shall he break the covenant, and be delivered?"King Zedekiah just couldn't stand being a base kingdom, as small kingdom, so he sent his ambassadors into Egypt, to speak to the Pharaoh. Zedekiah is fighting the will of God, and asking the Pharaoh to give him horses and fighting men to fight the king of Babylon.God permitted this because of His wrath against Jerusalem (2Ki 24:20). Do you think it will prosper, when it is against God's Word? The third time this question is asked, with an indignant denial understood (Eze 17:9, 10). Even the heathen believed that breakers of an oath would not "escape" punishment.Nothing prospers against the plan of almighty God. Very shortly after this, Zedekiah dug a hole under the wall of Jerusalem, and fled like a gangster, and was caught by Nebuchadnezzar's troops, and they put his eyes out, and bound him in chains. This was an example to the blindness of the people today, to the fact that they will also enter the Babylon of the end times with their eyes totally blind what is taking place. They are spiritually blind.Overcomers will escape the captivity that is coming, for the elect of God knows what to expect,(we read his words) and we find Satan not tempting. When you know that the reign of Satan will be for five months, and he will be gone and in the pit, just how can you compare that five months to an eternity with Jesus Christ.Ezekiel 17:16 "As I live, saith the Lord God, 'surely in the place where the king dwelleth that made him king, whose oath he despised, and whose covenant he brake, even with him in the midst of Babylon he shall die."God swore by himself, "as I live", and when this is given, it shall come to pass. The King and the place that made Zedekiah king was king Nebuchadnezzar, and the place was Babylon. Zedekiah despised the oath, and broke the covenant that made him king, and now Zedekiah will die in Babylon.Ezekiel 17:17 "Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:"The Pharaoh never came forth with the men, mounts, and armor to defend Zedekiah. When the time came Egypt's promises were not kept. .God gave us his instruction, just like He gave Zedekiah instruction through the prophets, and it will come to pass just as God says it will. God set seventy years of Zedekiah's people, just as He has seven years set for this end generation. At least it started out that way in Daniel, however Jesus tells us, as John wrote in Revelation 9:5, 10; that that time has been shortened for the elects sake.Ezekiel 17:18 "Seeing he despised the oath by breaking the covenant, when, lo, he had given his hand, and hath done all these things, he shall not escape."Zedekiah took the oath, shook hands on it and gave his word to abide by the covenant of God's Word, and he broke his oath, and his word, and now he is going to die.Ezekiel 17:19 "Therefore thus saith the Lord God; As I live, surely Mine oath that he hath despised, and My covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head."The oath of God's Covenant, that God gave to Jeremiah and Ezekiel was that the captivity would be for seventy years. When Zedekiah took the oath as king, given by Nebuchadnezzar, he agreed to hold his nation as a base nation to Babylon while he sat in office. When Zedekiah broke that oath, he brought God's judgment down on him, for that was also part of the promise of God.This was a time of correction, and during that seventy years, the nation and people of Judah turned their backs on God, and in the end of that period, as we read in Nehemiah, The Kenites/Tares were in total control of God's temple, and the entire religious order.The tribulation coming on the earth now, as the political beast is getting stronger, and exercising its power over all the nations on the face of the earth. The offspring of the same tares/Kenites that once ruled the Temple at Jesus time, will be setting the world in place to accept their father and master Satan the Antichrist. The tribulation is the greatest revival that this world has ever seen, only the people are coming to worship the wrong Christ, the Antichrist.What is interesting is that when Jesus was asked how many times we should forgive others that wrong us, He said seven times seventy. These are the numbers of years of the captivity that God placed upon His people.Ezekiel 17:20 "And I will spread My net upon him, and he shall be taken in My snare, and I will bring him to Babylon, and will plead with him there for his trespass that he hath trespassed against Me."When Zedekiah tried to escape, God said, I set my net, and it was My snare that caught him, and I took him to Babylon. God did this because He said He would, and it was done because Zedekiah broke his oath, and the covenant with God, and Nebuchadnezzar.Ezekiel 17:21 "And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the Lord have spoken it'."There will be little left of Zedekiah, his family and all those that supported and backed him. They became nothing but fugitives, that were slaughtered, and scattered to many nations. Notice that it only takes about the sons of Zedekiah that were destroyed, for his daughters escaped with Jeremiah, as part of the covenant with God for the triple overturning of the throne. These "twigs from the top of the cedar tree" were the daughters of Zedekiah, and they were planted in the thrones in Spain, and Ireland.Ezekiel 17:22 "Thus saith the Lord God; 'I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:"When the state of Israel shall seem past recovery, Messiah, Jehovah Himself, will unexpectedly appear on the scene as Redeemer of His people (Isa 63:5). I . . . also--God opposes Himself to Nebuchadnezzar: "He took of the seed of the land and planted it (Eze 17:3, 5), so will I, but with better success than he had. The branch he plucked (Zedekiah) and planted, flourished but for a time, to perish at last; I will plant a scion of the same tree, the house of David, to whom the kingdom belongs by an everlasting covenant, and it shall be the shelter of the whole world, and shall be for ever."The highest branch of the cedars of Lebanon, was king David, and the from the seed of David, this young tender one would come. He came as a baby in a manger, and was planted on an high mountain, mount Zion. This was His first advent. His second advent and His eminence would be in the future for He would later come to be the mighty warrior, the King of Kings.Ezekiel 17:23 "In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell."under it . . . all fowl--the Gospel "mustard tree," small at first, but at length receiving all under its covert (Mt 13:32); the antithesis to Antichrist, symbolized by Assyria, of which the same is said (Eze 31:6), and Babylon (Da 4:12). Antichrist assumes in mimicry the universal power really belonging to Christ.this is speaking of the Millennium age, when Jesus Christ will return, and set up his kingdom. Then will be a time of the return of all Israel to Jerusalem, and when the tribes will be reestablished in their own lands. And people of all nations shall come to worship and the daily oblations will be reestablished in the Temple of Jesus Christ. This is what is given in the last eight chapters of Ezekiel, so we can understand what it will be like in the Millennium age with Christ.Ezekiel 17:24 "And all the trees of the field shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the Lord have spoken and have done it."All the empires of the world, represented by Babylon, once flourishing ("green"), shall be brought low before the once depressed ("dry"), but then exalted, kingdom of Messiah and His people, that through this tender twig, Jesus Christ, every type of tree [person], of every nation, but also those branches [the Gentiles that are saved] that are mentioned in Romans eleven, that were grafted on the trunk of God's tree, the great and high tree. God called Himself the great evergreen tree, and we are to be all part of that great tree of God. We also call it the body of Christ.We see that within the book of Revelation, the "Nebuchadnezzar" of the end times is Satan, the Antichrist, and Babylon is the religious system that will control the entire earth. The Babylon of the end times that we will see is a spiritual battle, fought with ideas and concepts, and most of all, the twisting of Scripture to make the Antichrist appear to be the True Christ, and acceptable to all the people of all religions, including Christianity.So you see there is nothing new under the sun, and what was played out before in one form, will occur again in the spiritual form, this is why Christians should prepare themselves for the great spiritual battle that has already started. One worldism has come into being, and is a fact, however it is not a temptation to those that know and understand what it is about, and who is controlling it. God will build His wall around His elect, and they will not be deceived.
     
  3. Christina

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    The rest of the Story The stone that served as Jacobs pillow which he made an alter was carried with the tender twigs (daughters of Zedikiah) through the caucasion Pass into Ireland where one of these daughters Tea Tephi was crownd upon this stone throne called Lia Fail,or the Stone of destiny it was said in scripture that it would overturn 3 times The following is a quote from the book Joshep Sceptre Josheph's Birthright J.H. Allen: historians of Great Britain, either wittingly or unwittingly, have made Lia Fail (sometimes spelled Leag Phail) a witness to an unbroken line of sovereigns, for it has been the throne upon which their rulers have been consecutively crowned, ever since it was landed in Ireland. Further, there have been just three overturns of this kingdom. The first, as we have shown, was from Palestine to Tara, in the plantation of Ulster, through Tea Tephi, Jeremiah's ward, the "King's Daughter." The second overturn was from Ireland to Scotland, through Fergus, who sent for Lia Fail, the Stone of Destiny, and had it brought from Tara to lona, where he was crowned. The third OVERTURN was from Scot*land to England. At this time the throne was brought from Scotland and placed in Westminster Abbey, where it rests under the protection of the greatest monarchy on earth. Hence, if this Coronation Stone which is in West*minster, which the English call Jacob's Pillow, and which their Scotch and Irish ancestors called "God's house," "B-th-l," "The Stone of Destiny," and "Leag Phail," "The Stone Wonderful," -- we say, if this stone is indeed what these names and what its history declare it to be, then it is indeed the veritable throne of Israel, upon which the sons of David were formally crowned in the Temple of God at Jerusalem. Consequently, in this also, God has kept faith with David, and preserved his throne through all generations that are past. This makes us feel like singing , because it is just as it should be. When the Bethel stone was in Bethel place, it was "God's house," in God's house; when it was in the Temple, it was still God's house, in God's house; when, as one of the jewels of empire, it was taken by Teah, the "tender twig," and placed in the heights of Israel in the islands of the sea, it was still God's house, in God's house. The de*scendants of Teah and Herremon are the custodians of that rock today, and their subjects possess all the distinguishing marks whereby prophecy declares the lost house of God shall finally be recognized and found. And in the midst of this great national or racial house there is a house of God, a "spiritual house," which is by some called "Spiritual Israel," and which is, like lit*eral Israel was, FOUNDED ON A ROCK. this places the ten lost tribes through the daughters of Zedikiah from the seed of David in Ireland,Scottland, England the countries where the pilgrams migrated from across oceans to America, Canada and eventully to became the Christain Nations or descentants of the ten lost tribes of Israel Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.In 1996 the British Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations, and on 15 November 1996, , it was returned to Scotland and transported to Edinburgh Castle where it remains. Provision has been made to transport the stone to Westminster Abbey when it is required there for future coronation ceremonies.http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfe...cone/index.html
     
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    Excellent !!!Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: Gen 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel: )Gen 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. Deu 33:13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath, Deu 33:14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon, Deu 33:15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills, Deu 33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren. Deu 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
     
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    thanks Wayne I put our time off line last night to good work
     
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    This is the manna I like to eat. Do you think believer as whole are catching this revelation? I know we cannot keep going along with the world down the same path of pretending life is okay, usual, and going to continue as is until the next generation. I believe a lot people head's are in the sand because the false messages that existed in the same context of the message you gave. They had the majority of people who claimed to be prophets say that the nation of Judah would be alright, prosper, and not go into captivity. They encouraged everybody to keep going about their sinful life as usual with no fear of God or need of repentance.
     
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    I think there is so much poor and false teaching out there, that no probably most do not get it because its not commonly taught, or there are those who do not want to get it, as you say stick your head in the sand mentality. But then that was fore told us in Amos 8:11. I think it will only get worse as I have moderated this site for nearly three years, I find those wanting to hear Gods deeper truths are becoming more rare most want to argue over the surface texts (milk) because thats all they have ever been taught.No, fault of their own in many cases its just they have never heard it. Even though alot of it is plain to see with a little serious study. And Gods Word has so much more one could never learn it all in a lifetime of study
     
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    I think there is so much poor and false teaching out there, that no probably most do not get it because its not commonly taught, or there are those who do not want to get it, as you say stick your head in the sand mentality. But then that was fore told us in Amos 8:11. I think it will only get worse as I have moderated this site for nearly three years, I find those wanting to hear Gods deeper truths are becoming more rare most want to argue over the surface texts (milk) because thats all they have ever been taught.No, fault of their own in many cases its just they have never heard it. Even though alot of it is plain to see with a little serious study. And Gods Word has so much more one could never learn it all in a lifetime of study
    I believe the same.I do not even enter the milk threads that are actually almost non-material to my spiritual walk. People argue over things that they actual believe they can understand through carnal knowledge by study. With all this being said. We still have to be humble and not puffed up. Some people are just God's watchmen and have been called to do as such. Take comfort that in this coming dividing of the live stock, that you will be on the tamed sheep side. It was God grace that commissioned us both and not of our own works. I agree that it will get worse. However, I see it getting better. I see a division coming within mainstream Christianity. A great deal more are coming to watch for the bridegroom. However,the proscratinator and tares will hate and persecute those that stand on the watch tower. (that is by no means a reference to a JW watchtower) I think we under estimate the number of tares and goats in the organized physical Body of Christ. I believe they outnumber the real sheep. And the sheep can be divided into the wild sheep and tamed sheep. Anyway that is a different subject.
     
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    well put manichunter and a very good anylas and perhaps you have put some things it in better context for me as to what I am seeing that the divisions are getting more pronounced. As we draw closer to the time of divisions of sheep and goats. In the mean time we must all do what he has called us to do.
     
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    People who do not believe in the Lost Tribes of Israel claim that the ending verses of this chapter is messianic. However, if one does a careful study of this genealogy, that is not the genealogy of Christ. The genealogy recorded in Matthew is up to his father Joseph, but as we know Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and therefore his genealogy is that of Luke (thru David's son Nathan, not the lineage discussed in Ezekiel 17). Therefore this "tender twig" (mentioned in the feminine tense no less) is not that of Christ since Christ came neither from Jehoiachin nor Zedekiah physically.Ironically, I have a KJV bible that places a star next to the passages they believe are fulfilled in Christ. This chapter has no star there in Ezekiel 17. And of course it doesn't. It's NOT a study bible so nothing has to be said in the footnotes. But if it were a study bible, I'd bet $1000 that they'd put a star there because they'd have to say something and since they don't believe in the transfer of David's throne, they automatically assume this is a passage about Christ. But down deep, the real scholars know that the passage has nothing to do with Christ.
     
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    The de*scendants of Teah and Herremon are the custodians of that rock today, and their subjects possess all the distinguishing marks whereby prophecy declares the lost house of God shall finally be recognized and found. And in the midst of this great national or racial house there is a house of God, a "spiritual house," which is by some called "Spiritual Israel," and which is, like lit*eral Israel was, FOUNDED ON A ROCK. this places the ten lost tribes through the daughters of Zedikiah from the seed of David in Ireland,Scottland, England the countries where the pilgrams migrated from across oceans to America, Canada and eventully to became the Christain Nations or descentants of the ten lost tribes of Israel
    Are you familiar with Isaiah 9:8 the chapter is in reference to Christ, his coming to reign on David's throne. It is an end time prophecy concerning Ephraim and Manasseh.Isa 9:8 A comment is made of the arrogance of Ephraim's and ALL the inhabitants who are living in Samaria who "will" make the comment that they will rebuild their city from the fighting, but this time it's the Lord's Day of Wrath against them for it is the wrath of God that Isaiah is prophesying to come on Ephraim and the inhabitants who live in Samaria during the Last days. Yet for all this God's anger is still not turned away and for God is setting up Rezin joined with all the enemies of Israel against these two tribes in the Last Days. This is a prophecy coming upon the people in a short time ahead of us. Isaiah 9:20-21 On the right they will devour, but still be hungry; on the left they will eat, but not be satisfied, Each will feed on the flesh of his offspring; Manasseh will feed on Ephraim and Ephraim on Manasseh. Together they will turn against Judah.When the 8ht king appears with all the authority of Satan which he has received his throne and great powers as Rev 13:2 says. His vast armies that have come from the other kings that have joined him will come and destroy all the seeds of Jacob for only a remnant will be removed and taken into the wilderness for 1260 day To come into the 1000 yrs reign. the 144000 that is removed within the 30 day period that Daniel 12:11-12 tells us. the desolation will come into the land at the beginning of the 1335 days. As the woman, the 12 tribes are being removed through the waters spewed out by the dragon Rev 12:14 and taken to a place of safety to return with Christ later (Zech 14:14) when they will have been made virgins, clean in understanding of Christ and who he is to go against those nations armies that fight against Jerusalem as Zech 14:2 speaks. I probably have overwhelmed you with all of this, I don't know but a handful who have studied on their own that have come to see this in the bible. If you don't see it is not taken offensively at all. Thanks for letting me share this time with you. Are you familiar or have you heard of a church that used to be existent called the Worldwide church of God, under a Herbert W. Armstrong?When I read the bible, the prophets speak more about the day of wrath coming upon the house of Israel and the house of Judah and the suffering and death they will encounter to pay for their sins since they are not under the blood of Christ. Law requires bloodshed for sin. Many theologians have mis interpreted the times of certain events spoken of in the Last Days as events claimed to have already happened, much of the Jew's commentary on the O.T. given to Theologians who sought it, isfaulty. Even interpretation in the translation concerning some words in the bible. The problem with getting anything from the Jews in history or future is they have been blinded. They can read the O.T. all day long and the prophecy against them is not seen with their eyes. It seems that it has to do with the day of WRATH from God that is coming upon them, for that is primarily what the prophets speak in the O.T. This is my understanding from what I read. We haven't many days left for we are in the Last Days and war continues in Israel to the end. In Christ's precious wordsVickie
     
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    As we draw closer to the time of divisions of sheep and goats.
    You are correct that we draw closer to the time of the “divides his sheep from the goats”, but looking to the overall line of your posting, you mean that while we, the Church, are still here that this Scripture you refer to will take place.Let us do some serious Bible study and I hope it will not be too much for you to take because this really is not milk.Matthew 25: 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.If we look at this verse it seems to be just as you said, there is going to be some separation. But we can never take one verse and build a doctrine on it.So let us take the Scripture in context by starting to read from Matthew 25:3131 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory . . . then He will sit on the throne of His gloryWhen will Jesus come in His glory and when will He sit on the throne of His Glory? At the moment Jesus is in Heaven but Scripture teaches us that Jesus will come back and rule as King. This will be His second coming after the rapture of the Church. Therefore everything said after verse 31 is going to happen with the second coming of Christ. In Matthew 25:32 we see who Jesus is going to “separate”. It is going to be the Nations, not the Church as the Church will not be here as the rapture already took place.32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.Can you handle some more?What will determent the outcome of the Nations and what will be the decisive factor which will make them sheep or goats? The answer is in verse 4040 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’Jesus never called the Church His “brethren”, He is talking about His own, the Israelites and during the tribulation when the Church is already being rapture the Israelites (Jews) are going to be persecuted and then according to the way the Nations is going to treat them will determent if they are going to be sheep or goats.
     
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    QUOTE (Vickie @ Mar 9 2009, 06:31 AM)
    Are you familiar with Isaiah 9:8 the chapter is in reference to Christ, his coming to reign on David's throne. It is an end time prophecy concerning Ephraim and Manasseh.Isa 9:8 A comment is made of the arrogance of Ephraim's and ALL the inhabitants who are living in Samaria who "will" make the comment that they will rebuild their city from the fighting, but this time it's the Lord's Day of Wrath against them for it is the wrath of God that Isaiah is prophesying to come on Ephraim and the inhabitants who live in Samaria during the Last days. Yet for all this God's anger is still not turned away and for God is setting up Rezin joined with all the enemies of Israel against these two tribes in the Last Days. This is a prophecy coming upon the people in a short time ahead of us. Isaiah 9:20-21 On the right they will devour, but still be hungry; on the left they will eat, but not be satisfied, Each will feed on the flesh of his offspring; Manasseh will feed on Ephraim and Ephraim on Manasseh. Together they will turn against Judah.When the 8ht king appears with all the authority of Satan which he has received his throne and great powers as Rev 13:2 says. His vast armies that have come from the other kings that have joined him will come and destroy all the seeds of Jacob for only a remnant will be removed and taken into the wilderness for 1260 day To come into the 1000 yrs reign. the 144000 that is removed within the 30 day period that Daniel 12:11-12 tells us. the desolation will come into the land at the beginning of the 1335 days. As the woman, the 12 tribes are being removed through the waters spewed out by the dragon Rev 12:14 and taken to a place of safety to return with Christ later (Zech 14:14) when they will have been made virgins, clean in understanding of Christ and who he is to go against those nations armies that fight against Jerusalem as Zech 14:2 speaks. I probably have overwhelmed you with all of this, I don't know but a handful who have studied on their own that have come to see this in the bible. If you don't see it is not taken offensively at all. Thanks for letting me share this time with you. Are you familiar or have you heard of a church that used to be existent called the Worldwide church of God, under a Herbert W. Armstrong?When I read the bible, the prophets speak more about the day of wrath coming upon the house of Israel and the house of Judah and the suffering and death they will encounter to pay for their sins since they are not under the blood of Christ. Law requires bloodshed for sin. Many theologians have mis interpreted the times of certain events spoken of in the Last Days as events claimed to have already happened, much of the Jew's commentary on the O.T. given to Theologians who sought it, isfaulty. Even interpretation in the translation concerning some words in the bible. The problem with getting anything from the Jews in history or future is they have been blinded. They can read the O.T. all day long and the prophecy against them is not seen with their eyes. It seems that it has to do with the day of WRATH from God that is coming upon them, for that is primarily what the prophets speak in the O.T. This is my understanding from what I read. We haven't many days left for we are in the Last Days and war continues in Israel to the end. In Christ's precious wordsVickie
    While I agree these verse's are prophesy there are many names for Satan God uses these names to represent different aspects of Satan (and his one World system) just as he does Christ (lamb,King.savior,kingdom, ect) there are many posts on here describing Satans differt names types. and Isaiah 9:8 "The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel."That "word" that was sent to Jacob, who are all the tribes, was "wonderful". Jesus Christ that would come born of a virgin was that living Word. Isaiah 9:9 "And all the People shall know,even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride of stoutness of heart.""Ephraim" is the ten tribes that are scattered as Christian nations around the world today. The "inhabitant of Samaria" is the type for the Antichrist that will reign in the end times. Isaiah 9:10 "The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones; the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars."Satan has always tried and wanted to be a "cedar of Lebanon", which is a child of God. Satan will try to present Himself as the tall cedar, but he will not fool God's elect. He will claim to make things right, and rebuild a governmental system with his "hewn stones" which are the Kenites, and most of the world will fall for the Antichrist's deception and lies. Isaiah 9:11 "Therefore the Lord shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;"When this comes to pass what happens?Isaiah 9:12 "The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still."This is exactly what will happen when Satan returns to earth. He will devour all of Israel with his open mouth. God is going to cause those ten tribes which are Ephraim to accept Satan as their true Christ, and believe the flood of lies and deceitful wonders that come from Satan's mouth. Ephraim was the name that the ten tribes of the House of Israel became known as, when they migrated through the Caucasus mountains and then scattered throughout Europe, and around the world. They are known today by this event, and called "Caucasians", Remember from Hosea 1:10, Hosea stated that in the last days they would be named after the living God, who is Jesus Christ. Friend, they are called Christians today. Those many nations that are made up of that ancient "house of Israel", are the Christian nations of today.The people of those nations don't know who they are even today, and God is saying that because they refuse to accept their identity, He is going to allow the "Assyrian" [Satan] to have them. He is drawing attention to the end of the second advent, and this is talking about what is going to happen just prior to that advent [second coming]. God is going to turn the Assyrians [Satan and his realm] loose to do with Israel just as they did with the ten tribes before. This is a type of what we shall see very shortly. The Assyrian [Satan] will deceive the majority of the people that walk on the surface of this earth. Satan will deceive people just before the coming of the true Christ into believing that he is Jesus Christ. When Satan build's his temple, and declares himself to be God, as recorded in Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; II Thessalonians 2:3, 4 and many other places; most Christians will believe his lies. They will do it in ignorance because their church traditions and doctrines have taught them to do so. They are being prepared to accept that lie today, and in the day that Satan comes most Christians will be anxious and proud to jump into bed with Satan, and become one of his old harlots. II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," Satan is that "son of perdition" that will come before the true Christ. This is a warning to you to wake up and watch for this event so that you are not deceived when Satan comes.II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."This action of Satan, sitting in his temple and claiming to be God is what Daniel calls the "abomination of Desolation", and Jesus warned us about him in Matthew 24:15. Isaiah 9:13 "For the people turneth not unto Him That smiteth them, neither do they seek the Lord of hosts."The people are ignorant of what is happening to them by Satan. When God corrects you and warns you about something that you are doing, thank him for that.Isaiah 9:14 "Therefore the Lord will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day."This is the "day of the Lord", the day that Jesus Christ comes to earth to set up His Millennium kingdom. In one day, in the time it takes you to wink an eye, God will take all those leaders that have led you to Satan, and rule over you in Satan's one world religious order. The things taking place just prior to this day are detailed in Deuteronomy 28:13-44.Isaiah 9:15 "The ancient and honourable, he is head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."It is by the dragon Satan's tail that he drew a third of the children of God away from our Heavenly Father. Revelation 12:3 "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be dlivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."Satan deceived and drew away one third of God's children, and deceived them. His tail is his lies and all the lying wonders of the supernatural powers that He will use to perform in the sight of all men on earth. It will be because of their false prophets, their ministers that Christians will be led away from the truth, because these prophets have replaced the true Word of God with their own traditions, customs teachings. The Ancient and honorable will be the head on this "day of the Lord". These are the ministers that have taken the time to point out the error in the traditions of men, and teach the Word of God to prepare God's elect for the deception of Antichrist. This is why we should be careful as to what we accept as being the truth, and study to know the plan of God. We should know the evernts of our generation and know the order of those events as they come to pass. Isaiah 9:16 "For the leaders of this People cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."The leaders" would be better translated "The flatterers" of this people are the ones that cause Christians to be deceived. If you are following one of these flattering ministers, putting out false doctrine, such as the rapture doctrine, you will be swallowed up in the deception that will come very shortly. We prevent this from happening by "taking the wisest counsel that is eternal", who is Jesus Christ the living Word, and we do that by checking out what we hear in His Word. Satan is not the eternal, for Satan is the "son of perdition", the son that God has already sentenced to death at the close of the Millennium age. Satan and all them that follow him will be destroyed. Thank God for the Millennium age, for if it were not for the Millennium period it would be a very sad day on the "day of the Lord". Isaiah 9:17 "Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still."Even after all the people on the earth seek after Satan's folly and chase after his ways, God will still have His hand out. God is not saying that He doesn't like the widows and the orphans, He is angry at these preachers that raise their money showing pictures of these little orphans and widows starving. The good minister sees to it that the widows and orphans and orphans are taken care of without the beggers bag. His flock knows it is important to take care of them because they have been taught to do so, and the begging is not necessary. God is talking about the time where He will separate the sheep from the goats, the true children of God from the hypocrites, evildoers and those speaking folly with their mouths. God knows who they are for He reads the very intent of their minds. There are organizations that do give all their proceeds to the care of the orphan and widowed, but this is not aimed at them. It is aimed at those that deceitfully raise their money for one thing, but spend it on other places, such as their buildings, and covering their other events that have nothing to do with the intended request. Isaiah 9:18 "For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke."This wickedness is running wild today with children killing children, and drugs taking away the minds and judment of a large segment of our people. People steal from their own familes and friends and think nothing of it. Though there are many evil things that are happening, we do live in one of the greatest times ever. This is because it is obvious that we are living in the time of the end. Though there is much evil, there is still so much good that can be done. It doesn't matter what is going on around you, when you do God's will, He will pour the blessings out on you. You do the building, and God will furnish the bricks. Isaiah 9:19 "Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the People shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother."In the final days of this earth age, people will not know who their kindred people are. This is not a racist statement, because in this earth age we are responsible for our brother or sister. The brother is one born of the same parentage that you are. However there are certain responsibilities that we have and are responsible for, and that is why God brings "brother" into this. Isaiah 9:20 "And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm"It is talking about food here, about cutting meat. This is given in a spiritual sense and in the latter days men and women will be reaching with their right hand to grab at spritual food, and by the time it reaches their mouth or mind it is just not enough. They will never be full and satisfied. As they consume each others spiritual food, they don't know who to believe. Why? Because they don't know who's brother is who. They don't know who they are, and when they apply Scripture, they have no idea who is being talked about, nor what applies to them. They don't know the true Word of God from the traditions and dribble that is taught in many church houses today. They would rather be entertained by man, than be corrected by God. Isaiah 9:21 "Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still."God is not going to be pleased even after this age of the flesh is over, for Ephraim and Manasseh will not be joined to Judah until after Christ coming and we are in the Millennium age. Ephraim and Manasseh were the sons of Joseph that received the Abrahamic covenant blessing from their grandfather Jacob [Israel], and would carry the name "Israel", and the blessing for all time in this age. In the final days of this earth age, the last generation which we are now living in these people of both houses, Israel and Judah will be deceived by Satan in the role of Antichrist, and even after this God hand will still be stretched out to them for judgment. The reason that God is angry is that those that call themselves Christians and of God, still won't trust Him. They keep trying to create their own salvation, and chasing after other religions.
     
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    Christina: In all candidness, its going to be rare that anyone will listen to this, because its an eschatological nightmare. Youve got a nice brand of anglo-isreali doctrine here that is as unbiblical as it is unhistorical. Have I heard this before? Oh yes and with detailed lineages and typologies, historical notes etal. But Ill save you some typing in the future, its not because someone disagrees with a rapture or they are post trib or because they cannot see the historical validations, its because your exegesis of the text is a disaster. Its not all a wash there is some truth in all youve said, but in the end it mostly bathwater to be tossed. I wont comment further, (not because of some presumed fear that I cant prove my point), I in fact dont care to prove my point against this nonsense, but because it will become a tedious bore to me. Its like writing posts against using a computer to write posts...its so rejected by the body of Christ because of its heresies, its full of exegetical error, its simply not worth the effort. But as I said, this is it and I depart in peace, I pray God deliver you from this form of biblical patch work quilting.Josiahdefender
     
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    Well it seems you are full of opinions but have nothing to back you up a typical sign of a follower of men you have given us nothing but judgemental opinions in post after post thread after thread.... No scripture ... Nothing but emptiness... This is Bible/scripture study site we do not care about nor study opinions. You seem to have attacked everyone here not with a disagreement/debate of scripture but your opinions of their postings whether based in scripture or not ...I find the ones indoctrinated by men and their religious traditions are like this. They have never been taught how to study Gods Word ... All they can do is be a parrott to repeating what men have told them they do not know how to discuss scripture all they can do is put everyone else down because they cant understand anything that wasnt fed to them by the men they follow. You might be better served to stop with your opinions and hear what some here have to say ... As its backed by the word of God ..And Gods Word is what we are to follow ...
     
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    I didnt quote scripture Christina because its posters like yourself that take any text and form into a servant for your own doctrines. Calling me a follower of men because I disagree with you is the pot calling the kettle black. Do you think that you are one of a tribe? Do you think that Jeremiah actually took daughters to Spain? The emptiness is not in my opinions Christina its in the exegesis of the scriptures. Im sorry you have arrived at these doctrines I really am. I havent attacked anyone actually, all I did was point out that their interpretations were a mishmash of phraseology. Your statement of faith is very deceiving, to join you must agree to sound orthodoxy but to be agreeable to you and others you must be heretical at worst and heterodox at best. That is a fact. Here's a word for you, Gentiles are not any lost tribe of Israel, your decent even it did have a jewish father in it would not under the law of God place you into a tribe. But Im sure youve got scripture for that too. Here's another word, In Christ there is neither jew nor greek, so what benefit is it to be a member of the lost tribes? Well none according to the new testament, but according to the heretical doctrines you espouse no doubt some benefit is derived. go ahead, post excessively long posts to string text after text together that will continue to prove my point, you and your tribe do not know what your talking about and what your affirming. JosiahdefenderChristina: Every cult can string together texts to prove their point, using the bible is not the end all answer to knowing the truth.rightly dividing the word, studying it from other solid men of God who are shown to be good exegetes are usefull. Christina youre not doing anything different than the cults. Josiahdefender
     
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    With all due respect, Facts comes from scriptures. And when people sees that a person doesn't quote scriptures, it will more likely to see a person following men instead of following God.Regardless if one is not a Jew or a Hebrew, (Israel) the matter of fact is that even Gentiles can be saved by Christ... by grace. (John 4:42, I John 4:14, I Timothy 4:10)(Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:6) The fact is, pretty much the bible is mostly about Christ... And Christ is Israels lineage by grace. Christ's lineage by race is Judah as His Own receive Him not. (John 1:11)Lastly I want to point out is that we are not allowed to judge a person at all. (Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37, John 8:15) We can only judge the fruit of a person... (Matthew 7:16-20, John 7:24) Being judgmental to people is what God hates.With all due respect, I think you need calm down.
     
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    LOL yeah I strung together 17:1 to 17:2 to 17:3 ect ect What a terriable thing I followed Gods Words and this story is written from Gen to Rev, to those with eyes to see and ears to hear ... Again with the opinons of your Calvanists teaching a false doctrine calling Gods Words false And so it goes .... with lovers of men10 I will turn your religious feasts into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day. 11 "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD, "when I will send a famine through the land— not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD. 12 Men will stagger from sea to sea and wander from north to east, searching for the word of the LORD, but they will not find it.
     
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