Fake Hospital story, was not bombed, Jihadi fired missile landed in parking lot
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Wars are all about propaganda too you know. Lots of people wanted to believe the story that Israel bombed hospital, so they did.
Oh, the Fog of War....
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The Gaza hospital explosion illustrates that, instead of carelessly spreading propaganda, US lawmakers — such as Tom Cotton and Rashida Tlaib — on both sides should be much more judicious when it comes to which information they disseminate.
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@Scott Downey ...into the fog of war and the death of truth as it lies trodden underfoot, indeed.
Not that I'm a fan of most media outlet these days, But, Reuters and one I do not like at all, says it all happened Scott. They have managed to amass of lot of fake news then for our consumption on this hospital disaster.
---this is their report of today---------
October 18, 20232:28 PM EDT Updated an hour ago
Rescue personnel work at scene At Al-Ahli Hospital, after hundreds of Palestinians were killed in a blast at Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza that Israeli and Palestinian officials blamed on each other in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, in this screen grab obtained from video, October 17, 2023. REUTERS/Reuters TV Acquire Licensing Rights
Oct 18 (Reuters) - A blast at a Gaza hospital killed hundreds of Palestinians just before U.S. President Joe Biden visited Israel as the conflict between the Israeli military and the Hamas militant group raged.
Biden, who has stood squarely behind Israel from the start of the conflict, said that based on information he had seen the hospital blast appeared to be the result of an errant rocket fired by a "terrorist group", echoing Israel's view.
Some Western countries have called for an investigation, without pointing the finger at this stage, while Arab states have blamed Israel.
It is located in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City, in the northern region of the Gaza Strip.
Reuters Graphics
As well as handling a surge in the number of wounded, people have also sought refuge in hospital grounds all over Gaza believing them to be safe havens against strikes.
Dr Fadel Naim, head of orthopaedic surgery, said about 1,000 people were in Al Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday morning and more rushed there later in the day after he said the Israeli army had warned residents in the Zeitoun neighbourhood to evacuate their homes.
Dr Ibrahim Al-Naqa said more than 3,000 people had sought refuge at the hospital at the time of the strike.
The Kuwaiti specialized hospital in Rafah city, in the south of Gaza, said on Oct. 16 it had it had received two Israeli warnings to evacuate but its director said its staff would not leave.
They were surrounded by damaged buildings with windows blown out. Blood stains were on the walls and the ground.
Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian militant group that is an ally of Hamas, denied any of its rockets were involved in the blast, saying it did not have any activity in or around Gaza City at that time.
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said the United States was responsible, saying Washington had given Israel "the cover for its aggression".
The health minister of the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority blamed Israel for what he called a "massacre".
An Israeli army spokesperson said an analysis of the operational systems of the Israel Defense Forces indicated that a barrage of rockets was fired by militants in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the hospital at the time it was hit.
"Intelligence from multiple sources we have in our hands indicates that Islamic Jihad is responsible for the failed rocket launch which hit the hospital in Gaza."
A military spokesperson said there was no structural damage to buildings around the hospital and no craters consistent with an air strike. The spokesperson said Hamas had inflated the casualty numbers and said the group could not know as quickly as it claimed what caused the blast.
The military also released an audio file and a transcript of what it said was a conversation between two Hamas militants saying an Islamic Jihad rocket had misfired. It was not possible to verify the material independently. The audio was edited including with bleeps to obscure words and names.
Hamas did not immediately comment on the audio.
The military said some 450 rockets fired from Gaza had fallen short and landed in the Gaza Strip in the past 11 days.
Speaking alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."
"I renew my appeal for civilians to be protected in this devastating war. May the Lord God have mercy."
Jordan's King Abdullah blamed Israel for the blast and his country cancelled a summit it was to host in Amman on Wednesday to discuss Gaza with the U.S. president and the Egyptian and Palestinian leaders. Egypt also blamed Israel.
In Lebanon, Iran-based Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, denounced what it called Israel's deadly attack and called for protests on Wednesday. The Beirut government declared a national day of mourning.
Reporting by Reuters correspondents; Editing by Edmund Blair, Angus MacSwan and Daniel Wallis
---as I said, in the fog of war and bold lies are effective weapons as bullets entering the brain for minding-bending effects------
Not that I'm a fan of most media outlet these days, But, Reuters and one I do not like at all, says it all happened Scott. They have managed to amass of lot of fake news then for our consumption on this hospital disaster.
---this is their report of today---------
Gaza hospital blast: what we know about the explosion
ReutersOctober 18, 20232:28 PM EDT Updated an hour ago
Rescue personnel work at scene At Al-Ahli Hospital, after hundreds of Palestinians were killed in a blast at Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza that Israeli and Palestinian officials blamed on each other in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, in this screen grab obtained from video, October 17, 2023. REUTERS/Reuters TV Acquire Licensing Rights
Oct 18 (Reuters) - A blast at a Gaza hospital killed hundreds of Palestinians just before U.S. President Joe Biden visited Israel as the conflict between the Israeli military and the Hamas militant group raged.
WHO BOMBED THE HOSPITAL IN GAZA?
Israelis and Palestinians have blamed each other for the hospital bombing.Biden, who has stood squarely behind Israel from the start of the conflict, said that based on information he had seen the hospital blast appeared to be the result of an errant rocket fired by a "terrorist group", echoing Israel's view.
Some Western countries have called for an investigation, without pointing the finger at this stage, while Arab states have blamed Israel.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE HOSPITAL?
Founded 1882 and run by the Anglican church, Al Ahli Arab Hospital described itself on its website as "a haven of peace in the middle of one of the world’s most troubled places". The hospital said it offered 80 beds with services such as a free programme to detect breast cancer, a centre for elderly women, and a mobile clinic offering free services to surrounding towns.It is located in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City, in the northern region of the Gaza Strip.
Reuters Graphics
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE HOSPITAL?
Although it had a limited number of beds, the hospital and others in Gaza have been crammed with casualties beyond their capacity since the start of Israeli air strikes launched in response to the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel.As well as handling a surge in the number of wounded, people have also sought refuge in hospital grounds all over Gaza believing them to be safe havens against strikes.
Dr Fadel Naim, head of orthopaedic surgery, said about 1,000 people were in Al Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday morning and more rushed there later in the day after he said the Israeli army had warned residents in the Zeitoun neighbourhood to evacuate their homes.
Dr Ibrahim Al-Naqa said more than 3,000 people had sought refuge at the hospital at the time of the strike.
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE STRIKE?
Israel previously told Palestinians in the north of Gaza, including in Gaza City, to move south for their own safety. Israel's military specifically told Zeitoun residents to move south on Tuesday in a message issued on social media platform X.The Kuwaiti specialized hospital in Rafah city, in the south of Gaza, said on Oct. 16 it had it had received two Israeli warnings to evacuate but its director said its staff would not leave.
WHAT DETAILS DO WE HAVE ABOUT THE STRIKE?
Dr Naim said he had finished one surgery and was about to start another when he heard a huge explosion. Dr Naqa said the blast took place at about 6.30 p.m. (1530 GMT).WHAT DAMAGE WAS SUSTAINED?
Footage and images obtained by Reuters from inside the hospital showed about two dozen destroyed vehicles in its grounds.They were surrounded by damaged buildings with windows blown out. Blood stains were on the walls and the ground.
WHAT HAVE THE PALESTINIANS SAID?
Palestinian officials have blamed Israel.Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian militant group that is an ally of Hamas, denied any of its rockets were involved in the blast, saying it did not have any activity in or around Gaza City at that time.
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said the United States was responsible, saying Washington had given Israel "the cover for its aggression".
The health minister of the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority blamed Israel for what he called a "massacre".
WHAT HAS ISRAEL SAID?
Israel has denied it was to blame and said the blast was caused by a failed rocket launch by Islamic Jihad.An Israeli army spokesperson said an analysis of the operational systems of the Israel Defense Forces indicated that a barrage of rockets was fired by militants in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the hospital at the time it was hit.
"Intelligence from multiple sources we have in our hands indicates that Islamic Jihad is responsible for the failed rocket launch which hit the hospital in Gaza."
A military spokesperson said there was no structural damage to buildings around the hospital and no craters consistent with an air strike. The spokesperson said Hamas had inflated the casualty numbers and said the group could not know as quickly as it claimed what caused the blast.
The military also released an audio file and a transcript of what it said was a conversation between two Hamas militants saying an Islamic Jihad rocket had misfired. It was not possible to verify the material independently. The audio was edited including with bleeps to obscure words and names.
Hamas did not immediately comment on the audio.
The military said some 450 rockets fired from Gaza had fallen short and landed in the Gaza Strip in the past 11 days.
WHAT HAS THE UNITED STATES SAID?
Biden pointed the finger of blame at Palestinian militants.Speaking alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."
WHAT HAS THE ANGLICAN CHURCH SAID?
Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and head of the Anglican church, said: "This is an appalling and devastating loss of innocent lives. The Ahli hospital is run by the Anglican church. I mourn with our brothers and sisters.""I renew my appeal for civilians to be protected in this devastating war. May the Lord God have mercy."
WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION IN THE REGION?
The strike has enflamed Arab governments and groups in the region. Protesters took to the streets in several Arab countries denouncing what they said was an Israeli strike on the hospital.Jordan's King Abdullah blamed Israel for the blast and his country cancelled a summit it was to host in Amman on Wednesday to discuss Gaza with the U.S. president and the Egyptian and Palestinian leaders. Egypt also blamed Israel.
In Lebanon, Iran-based Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, denounced what it called Israel's deadly attack and called for protests on Wednesday. The Beirut government declared a national day of mourning.
Reporting by Reuters correspondents; Editing by Edmund Blair, Angus MacSwan and Daniel Wallis
---as I said, in the fog of war and bold lies are effective weapons as bullets entering the brain for minding-bending effects------
You won't find the truth in MSM which is almost all propaganda. Still surprised they have Israel's back in this conflict and have not turned aside. Some outlets like the BBC though are on the other side.@Scott Downey ...into the fog of war and the death of truth as it lies trodden underfoot, indeed.
Not that I'm a fan of most media outlet these days, But, Reuters and one I do not like at all, says it all happened Scott. They have managed to amass of lot of fake news then for our consumption on this hospital disaster.
---this is their report of today---------
Gaza hospital blast: what we know about the explosion
Reuters
October 18, 20232:28 PM EDT Updated an hour ago
Rescue personnel work at scene At Al-Ahli Hospital, after hundreds of Palestinians were killed in a blast at Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza that Israeli and Palestinian officials blamed on each other in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, in this screen grab obtained from video, October 17, 2023. REUTERS/Reuters TV Acquire Licensing Rights
Oct 18 (Reuters) - A blast at a Gaza hospital killed hundreds of Palestinians just before U.S. President Joe Biden visited Israel as the conflict between the Israeli military and the Hamas militant group raged.
WHO BOMBED THE HOSPITAL IN GAZA?
Israelis and Palestinians have blamed each other for the hospital bombing.
Biden, who has stood squarely behind Israel from the start of the conflict, said that based on information he had seen the hospital blast appeared to be the result of an errant rocket fired by a "terrorist group", echoing Israel's view.
Some Western countries have called for an investigation, without pointing the finger at this stage, while Arab states have blamed Israel.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE HOSPITAL?
Founded 1882 and run by the Anglican church, Al Ahli Arab Hospital described itself on its website as "a haven of peace in the middle of one of the world’s most troubled places". The hospital said it offered 80 beds with services such as a free programme to detect breast cancer, a centre for elderly women, and a mobile clinic offering free services to surrounding towns.
It is located in the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City, in the northern region of the Gaza Strip.
Reuters Graphics
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE HOSPITAL?
Although it had a limited number of beds, the hospital and others in Gaza have been crammed with casualties beyond their capacity since the start of Israeli air strikes launched in response to the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel.
As well as handling a surge in the number of wounded, people have also sought refuge in hospital grounds all over Gaza believing them to be safe havens against strikes.
Dr Fadel Naim, head of orthopaedic surgery, said about 1,000 people were in Al Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday morning and more rushed there later in the day after he said the Israeli army had warned residents in the Zeitoun neighbourhood to evacuate their homes.
Dr Ibrahim Al-Naqa said more than 3,000 people had sought refuge at the hospital at the time of the strike.
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE STRIKE?
Israel previously told Palestinians in the north of Gaza, including in Gaza City, to move south for their own safety. Israel's military specifically told Zeitoun residents to move south on Tuesday in a message issued on social media platform X.
The Kuwaiti specialized hospital in Rafah city, in the south of Gaza, said on Oct. 16 it had it had received two Israeli warnings to evacuate but its director said its staff would not leave.
WHAT DETAILS DO WE HAVE ABOUT THE STRIKE?
Dr Naim said he had finished one surgery and was about to start another when he heard a huge explosion. Dr Naqa said the blast took place at about 6.30 p.m. (1530 GMT).
WHAT DAMAGE WAS SUSTAINED?
Footage and images obtained by Reuters from inside the hospital showed about two dozen destroyed vehicles in its grounds.
They were surrounded by damaged buildings with windows blown out. Blood stains were on the walls and the ground.
WHAT HAVE THE PALESTINIANS SAID?
Palestinian officials have blamed Israel.
Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian militant group that is an ally of Hamas, denied any of its rockets were involved in the blast, saying it did not have any activity in or around Gaza City at that time.
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said the United States was responsible, saying Washington had given Israel "the cover for its aggression".
The health minister of the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority blamed Israel for what he called a "massacre".
WHAT HAS ISRAEL SAID?
Israel has denied it was to blame and said the blast was caused by a failed rocket launch by Islamic Jihad.
An Israeli army spokesperson said an analysis of the operational systems of the Israel Defense Forces indicated that a barrage of rockets was fired by militants in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the hospital at the time it was hit.
"Intelligence from multiple sources we have in our hands indicates that Islamic Jihad is responsible for the failed rocket launch which hit the hospital in Gaza."
A military spokesperson said there was no structural damage to buildings around the hospital and no craters consistent with an air strike. The spokesperson said Hamas had inflated the casualty numbers and said the group could not know as quickly as it claimed what caused the blast.
The military also released an audio file and a transcript of what it said was a conversation between two Hamas militants saying an Islamic Jihad rocket had misfired. It was not possible to verify the material independently. The audio was edited including with bleeps to obscure words and names.
Hamas did not immediately comment on the audio.
The military said some 450 rockets fired from Gaza had fallen short and landed in the Gaza Strip in the past 11 days.
WHAT HAS THE UNITED STATES SAID?
Biden pointed the finger of blame at Palestinian militants.
Speaking alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said: "I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion of the hospital in Gaza yesterday, and based on what I've seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you."
WHAT HAS THE ANGLICAN CHURCH SAID?
Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury and head of the Anglican church, said: "This is an appalling and devastating loss of innocent lives. The Ahli hospital is run by the Anglican church. I mourn with our brothers and sisters."
"I renew my appeal for civilians to be protected in this devastating war. May the Lord God have mercy."
WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION IN THE REGION?
The strike has enflamed Arab governments and groups in the region. Protesters took to the streets in several Arab countries denouncing what they said was an Israeli strike on the hospital.
Jordan's King Abdullah blamed Israel for the blast and his country cancelled a summit it was to host in Amman on Wednesday to discuss Gaza with the U.S. president and the Egyptian and Palestinian leaders. Egypt also blamed Israel.
In Lebanon, Iran-based Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, denounced what it called Israel's deadly attack and called for protests on Wednesday. The Beirut government declared a national day of mourning.
Reporting by Reuters correspondents; Editing by Edmund Blair, Angus MacSwan and Daniel Wallis
---as I said, in the fog of war and bold lies are effective weapons as bullets entering the brain for minding-bending effects------
Yes, the Fog of War is in full evidence everywhere regarding this war, all designed to stir the emotional pot to boiling over.
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EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Surveillance Drone Video of the Fully Intact and Undamaged Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza after Rocket Hits Parking Lot – NOT the Hospital | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
On Tuesday evening a rocket reportedly hit the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza causing a massive explosion and resulting in the deaths of allegedly several hundred Palestinians.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
@Wrangler not to open any discord ....I just wanted to place a face with that woman I wrote about a few days ago to you, who got needlessly murdered in cold blood by the bulldozer operator on orders form the local Israeli govt. She was protesting the actions of the Israel Govt, knocking down an Arab home and laying in new settlements in Arab West Bank illegally for Israelis only....
These indiscriminant killings are still part of the current unwritten standing policy...
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Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist from Olympia, Wa. was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer, while undertaking nonviolent direct action to protect the home of a Palestinian family from demolition. Please do not forget this remarkable young woman.
These indiscriminant killings are still part of the current unwritten standing policy...
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Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist from Olympia, Wa. was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer, while undertaking nonviolent direct action to protect the home of a Palestinian family from demolition. Please do not forget this remarkable young woman.
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The world has been warned, Israel and Hamas in Gaza are at war, Rachel Corrie put herself in harms way in a war zone, sorta like running out on the shooting range without a line break@Wrangler not to open any discord ....I just wanted to place a face with that woman I wrote about a few days ago to you, who got needlessly murdered in cold blood by the bulldozer operator on orders form the local Israeli govt. She was protesting the actions of the Israel Govt, knocking down an Arab home and laying in new settlements in Arab West Bank illegally for Israelis only....
These indiscriminant killings are still part of the current unwritten standing policy...
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Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist from Olympia, Wa. was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer, while undertaking nonviolent direct action to protect the home of a Palestinian family from demolition. Please do not forget this remarkable young woman.
And don't forget, it was Hamas that crossed Israels borders and killed, kidnapped,and injured innocent civilians, and your watching Israel's response, no different than the US would be in response
Hopefully the death of Rachel will warn other would be Rachel's to "Stay Away" from the war zone, it's that simple
US absolutely would do the same thing Israel is doing, as would most other countries if attacked like that.
There is no even looking to see who did what like with 9-11 tower bombing as all know who is responsible.
I think a lot of US government people are hoping Iran enters into this war so they can go bomb Iran, and do regime change, even though they talk about containment and not letting this expand into a wide war in the region.
@Scott Downey and @Truth7t7 you both need to become more objective, careful and not so hasty in your conclusions. You both apparently have closed your minds to seeing anything on the other side of the tracks, and only see the side that you are told is 'good.' Thus your rush to judgement.
For one, this woman was murdered, not in any hot war zone, and it happened over 18 years ago.
Why don't you both view the short video at this link. It may clear things up for you and put things in perspective. Then draw your conclusions.
And for another, this place has really been a war zone even before 1948. And the question is why? I do know the answer, and I'm one carrying a flaming torch and you are those with pitchforks believing I'm your enemy because overwhelming powers beyond your sight have persuaded you this is the truth, over and over again, day in and day out.
Isn't than the way the craft of evil works?
For one, this woman was murdered, not in any hot war zone, and it happened over 18 years ago.
Why don't you both view the short video at this link. It may clear things up for you and put things in perspective. Then draw your conclusions.
And for another, this place has really been a war zone even before 1948. And the question is why? I do know the answer, and I'm one carrying a flaming torch and you are those with pitchforks believing I'm your enemy because overwhelming powers beyond your sight have persuaded you this is the truth, over and over again, day in and day out.
Isn't than the way the craft of evil works?
mailmandan
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Poisonous Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib Faces Criticism From Both Parties - Have People Finally Had Enough of Her? | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance
This week, Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib pushed the completely false story about Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza, which led to an angry mob storming a building at the Capitol.
Tlaib has always been a fierce critic of Israel, but this goes beyond policy. It’s almost like Tlaib has been waiting her whole life for this moment. It took her days to even issue a statement after Hamas brutally murdered over 1,000 Israelis, some of whom were children and the elderly.
Now she is facing criticism from members of both parties.
This week, Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib pushed the completely false story about Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza, which led to an angry mob storming a building at the Capitol.
Tlaib has always been a fierce critic of Israel, but this goes beyond policy. It’s almost like Tlaib has been waiting her whole life for this moment. It took her days to even issue a statement after Hamas brutally murdered over 1,000 Israelis, some of whom were children and the elderly.
Now she is facing criticism from members of both parties.
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Why wasn't she standing in front of the 5,000 rockets Hamas launched at Israel?
Some people deserve to die. Rachel Corrie is one for anyone who stands in front of a moving bulldozer deserves to die. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
Good to know that you are not motivated to open any discord. ;)
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We're in a discussion on current Israel and Palestine, and you throw in a girl who was killed 18 years ago, a real big headshake!
No need to watch the video, it happened 18 years ago and has no relationship today
Perhaps you should continue to watch video clips of Hamas storming Israel's border in killing, kidnapping, and injuring innocent civilians
Report: Possibly 50 Were Killed at Gaza Hospital, not 500
AFP reports there were a maximum of 50 people killed at the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza City, not 500 as Hamas claimed.
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I would presumes nonviolent direct action means she placed herself between the home and the dozer that was going to doze into the home. She made a choice, presumably thinking her method of protest would stop the dozer operator from carrying out his orders.@Wrangler not to open any discord ....I just wanted to place a face with that woman I wrote about a few days ago to you, who got needlessly murdered in cold blood by the bulldozer operator on orders form the local Israeli govt. She was protesting the actions of the Israel Govt, knocking down an Arab home and laying in new settlements in Arab West Bank illegally for Israelis only....
These indiscriminant killings are still part of the current unwritten standing policy...
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Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist from Olympia, Wa. was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer, while undertaking nonviolent direct action to protect the home of a Palestinian family from demolition. Please do not forget this remarkable young woman.
War and Orders do not stop because an individual decides to protest by getting in between an Order and a Target.
Too bad she had to pay a hefty price for her choice.
Prayers of comfort for her family.
Glory to God,
Taken
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