Falling From Grace

[robert derrick]

There are two ways to fall from grace in Scripture, and both are by works without faith:

1. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

When Christians begin to seek perfection by the flesh only, and doing works without faith, or of another faith than that of Jesus, they are no more doing the righteousness of God, but that of man.

The example Scripture readily uses is that of circumcision of the flesh, which was the law of God by Moses, and is not the law of Christ. Therefore, being outwardly circumcised as by obedience to the law, is a work of our own righteousness without the faith of Jesus.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

It is the self-righteousness of them that do not seek to do the righteousness of God by His faith according to His law written in Scripture, but by their own faith and their own standard of righteousness, which are as filthy rags to God, that neither please Him nor are justified of Him.

Christians are free to do whatever they wish, aside from sins of transgression, but we are not free to make up law for all Christians to do, that is not plainly written in NT Scripture for us to read and obey.

Unjustified works of the law are therefore any works done as it were by law, and is no law of Christ found in Scripture.

Hence Christ and the faith of Jesus, is become of no more profit to them that obey works of another law, than that of the law of Christ. They are believing in another gospel that is cursed by works of a false law and obeyed by a decieved faith.

 

[robert derrick]

2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works.

This is akin to that of Galatians; however, it is not by doing the works of another law, but rather is by ceasing to do the righteousness of God by faith.

We are still keeping the law of Christ outwardly in the flesh, but no more by faith and love from the heart: we have become outwardly just in our works, but not inwardly justified in our hearts.

Outwardly righteous, inwardly cold.

We once loved to do the works of God from the heart, but now only do so in the flesh: them that once loved the work to do it right and good, but now only do it for the pay.

We have left our first love, which is Jesus Christ, and ceased doing the first works, which are the works of God first done according to the first commandment, to love God with all the heart: we are no longer obeying God's law from the heart, but only as it were by law, and not by faith.

Else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

The fire is gone, and so the lamp is removed, because we have a light of righteousness outwardly, but the heart is gone dark.

God commands to see His Light both in us and from us in this world:

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Being saved and justified of God commands both faith and works: to have His Light and love in our hearts, and to give that light and show that love in the world:

That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.

It's not transgression to shine as by law only, but neither is it the eternal salvation and righteous justification of them obeying Him by faith and love from the heart.

We become as them that love our neighbors outwardly only, but not inwardly at all:

They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Even as there are two ways to fall from grace, so there are two kinds of hypocrites: them that say they have faith inwardly, but do not the faith outwardly, and them that do the law outwardly, but have no faith inwardly.

Only them that believe and obey Jesus by grace from the heart shall obtain eternal salvation of God.

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

 

[Behold]

The verse says..."Christ has become of no effect to you, if you are trying to stay saved, and go to heaven based on keeping the law, keeping the commandments, trusting in water baptism or church membership, or trying do good works so that God will keep you. Its also this..

"im confessing all my sin, so that God will keep forgiving me".

See all those reader?

Each of those is a self do it.....>"here is what im doing...here is what i did.....here is how i am trying to DO THIS and DO THAT, and be careful that i dont DO THAT, so that I CAN BY DOING AND DOING< go to heaven".

Is any of that Trusting In Christ alone?
Is any of that SELF DOING, putting your Faith in Christ alone to get you into heaven?

So, when you are trying to DO anything to TRY TO STAY SAVED TO TRY TO GO TO HEAVEN :
= then you have stopping BELIEVING in CHRIST to get you to heaven., OR< YOU HAVE HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD SALVATION AT ALL, and are not born again yet.

Listen.....All that STUFF......all that SELF DOING.......when you have faith that by doing it, you keep yourself saved... you have "fallen from Grace"


Here is what can't get you into Heaven.

1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance


See all that? Did any of that Die on the Cross for you?
If it did, then trust it to get you into heaven when you die.
If it didnt....then Trust THIS to keep you saved, and get into heaven when you die.


CHRIST ON THE CROSS

CHRIST ON THE CROSS

CHRIST ON THE CROSS

 

[robert derrick]

The verse says..."Christ has become of no effect to you, if you are trying to stay saved, and go to heaven based on keeping the law, keeping the commandments, trusting in water baptism or church membership, or trying do good works so that God will keep you. Its also this..

"im confessing all my sin, so that God will keep forgiving me".

See all those reader?

Each of those is a self do it.....>"here is what im doing...here is what i did.....here is how i am trying to DO THIS and DO THAT, and be careful that i dont DO THAT, so that I CAN BY DOING AND DOING< go to heaven".

Is any of that Trusting In Christ alone?
Is any of that SELF DOING, putting your Faith in Christ alone to get you into heaven?

So, when you are trying to DO anything to TRY TO STAY SAVED TO TRY TO GO TO heaven = then you have stopping BELIEVING in CHRIST to get you to heaven., OR< YOU HAVE HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD SALVATION AT ALL, and are not born again yet.

Listen.....All that STUFF......all that SELF DOING.......when you have faith that by doing it, you keep yourself saved... you have "fallen from Grace"


Here is what can't get you into Heaven.

1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance


See all that? Did any of that Die on the Cross for you?
If it did, then trust it to get you into heaven when you die.
If it didnt....then Trust THIS to keep you saved, and get into heaven when you die.


CHRIST ON THE CROSS

CHRIST ON THE CROSS

CHRIST ON THE CROSS

Do you actually read anything of others, or just use the space for your mantra?

Because you certainly do not fit the 2nd hypocrite of ceasing to do the law of Christ without faith, but you have the first hypocrite nailed in not doing the word, while being certainly full of your own faith.

In any case, you've got a great religion going there for yourself.

Here is what can't get you into Heaven.
1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance

Here is what can't keep you from your heaven:

1. No works to be justified by
2. Disobeying His commandment
3. Transgressing His law
4. Forsaking the assembling of ourselves together.
5. Not confessing your sins.
6. Not repenting of your sins.

Look at that, a man's number.

I would call your religion, the religion of believing you are going to your heaven, no matter what you do or not do on earth, so long as you believe it.

I'm not thinking that is what Scripture means by keeping the faith.

You are worshipping your very own great I AM: I AM, because I believe I AM.

I AM going to my heaven, because I believe I AM going to my heaven.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

[Behold]

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[Behold]

Do you actually read anything of others,
I would call your religion,.

I dont have a "religion".
I have "Christ in Me, the hope of Glory".
And because i do, im already in heaven...
Notice this...all the born again are....>"Seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ".

And notice this Robert........"As Christ is.....so are the born again, on Earth".

See those?

 

[Behold]

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[Behold]

I would call your religion, the religion of believing you are going to your heaven, no matter what you do or not do on earth, so long as you believe it.

The reason a person goes to heaven is because they are in Spiritual Union with Christ.
This is to be : Born again

Robert, being Born Again, is the only proof of Salvation, as it IS how Salvation is manifested to us.

 

[Behold]

What is : Falling from Grace.

It means a believer has Grace, which is God's provision for their salvation........they understand this correctly., which is REAL FAITH.

So, to FALL from Grace, is to lose correct Faith, and fall from this.....into......self saving.....(Legalism) ...which means that faith is no longer in Christ..
Its faith in these.. to try to keep yourself saved and to try to get yourself into heaven.

1. Works
2. Commandment keeping
3. Law keeping
4. Water Baptism
5. Catholic Church
6. Any Church - Denomination
7. Confessing sin
8. Daily Repentance

 

[Stumpmaster]

2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works.

I suppose by leaving their great love of Christ they have fallen from grace.

As I read it they didn't lose their first love, they left it, possibly for procedural formality.

Doing first works that equate to one's first love of Christ , , , what could they be?

 

[Behold]

Surely it's their great love of Christ they have fallen from, not His grace???

Paul says of these Christians...>"who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth".
He then says they have gotten back "in the flesh".

So, what is God's Grace? = Its the Cross of Christ......as the 'Gift of Salvation".

How to get that? = You BELIEVE IN JESUS< and God takes your faith, justifies you based on the fact that you did this.. = "The will of God is that you believe on Jesus whom God sent".
So, your Faith is counted BY GOD... as Righteousness.
To have "faith counted, as Righteousness", means that God has accepted it to give you forgiveness of sin and the new Birth.

So, to FALL FROM ALL THAT, is to stop believing it and start trying to do deeds and works and everything else, but have simple faith in Christ that CHRIST keeps you saved.

The proof that you have fallen from Grace....is that you do not believe that Christ keeps you saved....and that is why a person talks about law, commandments, water baptism, works, deeds, abiding.......all this OTHER....that has become to them, how THEY are to keep themselves saved.

Its the Blood of God that keeps you saved, and to not understand that or to not believe that is to have "fallen from Grace" in your BELIEF, in your FAITH.

Your faith is broken.= "fallen from Grace".

 

[Stumpmaster]

Paul says of these Christians...>"who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth".
He then says they have gotten back "in the flesh".

So, what is God's Grace? = Its the Cross of Christ......as the 'Gift of Salvation".

How to get that? = You BELIEVE IN JESUS< and God takes your faith, justifies you based on the fact that you did this.. = "The will of God is that you believe on Jesus whom God sent".
So, your Faith is counted BY GOD... as Righteousness.
To have "faith counted, as Righteousness", means that God has accepted it to give you forgiveness of sin and the new Birth.

So, to FALL FROM ALL THAT, is to stop believing it and start trying to do deeds and works and everything else, but have simple faith in Christ that CHRIST keeps you saved.

The proof that you have fallen from Grace....is that you do not believe that Christ keeps you saved....and that is why a person talks about law, commandments, water baptism, works, deeds, abiding.......all this OTHER....that has become to them, how THEY are to keep themselves saved.

Its the Blood of God that keeps you saved, and to not understand that or to not believe that is to have "fallen from Grace" in your BELIEF, in your FAITH.

Your faith is broken.= "fallen from Grace".

I had edited my comment whilst you were composing your vectored speculations.

See this thread also:

Who Falls From Grace & Who Falls Short Of It? | Page 5 | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

 

[Behold]

I had edited my comment whilst you were composing your vectored speculations.



Behold replies : I only teach Pauline Theology.
That's not a speculation.

 

[Behold]

See this thread also:

Falling short of Grace would be an unbeliever.

No believer falls "short" of Grace, but they can "fall from it"......as Paul teaches.

 

[Episkopos]

Do we not all fall short of God's standard? By grace we fulfill that standard. However, most people will indeed fall short of holding onto that grace. Falling from grace is not the terrible thing that people make it to be. A baby takes steps and falls when he is learning to walk. Falling down becomes more serious as people age...and that is normal. So it is with falling from grace. In our immaturity we will NOT fully depend on God but rather listen to people who lead us astray. We get fooled by fancy titles and corrupting words that tickle our ears. So we are led astray..at least for a while.

No one is born again into maturity. And there is SSSSOOOO much error out there...that it is a wonder if anyone can come through it unscathed. Regardless we need to go in and out of the Spirit in order to become mature.

Imagine a child that was never allowed to fall down...ever. That child would never learn to walk uprightly.

So then we go in and out of the Spirit in order to learn the balance and the way to remain in the place of our calling in Christ. Those who say they have never fallen from grace have most likely never taken a step in it. Any walk that is not empowered by the Spirit is not of grace.

 

[Behold]

Do we not all fall short of God's standard? By grace we fulfill that standard.

You posted More Legalism.....

Here you are defining your self effort as God's Grace.
What will post next to reject the Cross in favor of your self effort?

Listen, Episkopos.....Salvation is God saving you, using the BLood of Jesus and the death of Christ.
Not you saving you, using your commandment keeping self effort and works.


"But Behold, you have to understand.....where i go to church we believe that God starts salvation, and then we take it from there as we try to work our way into heaven"...

Yes i know.

 

[Episkopos]

More Legalism.

Here you are defining your self effort as God's Grace.
What will you do next to reject the Cross in favor of self effort?

This is you simply denying the power of God. You see ANY success..that has the power over sin ...as self effort...because you have not yet known the power of Christ in your life.
Let the truth sink in deeper into the inner man rather than imprisoning it in the shallow opinions and religious stances of the outer man.

 

[Behold]

This is you simply denying the power of God.

You wrote that YOU fulfill God's Standard.

However, Its Christ who fulfilled the standard that God accepts......not you.....tho you do try to convince yourself, don't you?

Never mistake your discipleship for Salvation that is a GIFT that is Supplied by God to you......as when you commit this theological error of flesh, you will continue to talk about your works, same as in all your other posts.

 

[Stumpmaster]

By grace we fulfill that standard

Amen. Justified and standing in God's Grace. Good one, Episkopos.

Rom 5:1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (2) through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

 

[Behold]

Good one, Episkopos.

Episkopos wrote that "falling from Grace is not the terrible thing that people make it out to be".

And you said this is a "good one'., Stumpmaster.

Yet Paul the Apostle wrote that you are "bewitched, in the flesh"... if you are "fallen from Grace".
So, Episkopos says its "no biggie", Yet Paul wrote a letter in the NT warning believers about it.

i think you, Stumpmaster, need to pay more attention to to what your buddy is preaching. As its Galatians 1:8.