Flat Earth Theory

[HealthyShape]

As if asking questions and reasoning is not real?

Reasoning and questions can be pure sophism. Dismissing what you see, dismissing the discoveries of others and dismissing checking their discoveries - what do you even want to talk about, you rejected everything that proves you wrong. You can even claim you live in some Matrix and nothing is real and argue about it for years without end.

 

[Rudometkin]

Reasoning and questions can be pure sophism. Dismissing what you see, dismissing the discoveries of others and dismissing checking their discoveries - what do you even want to talk about, you rejected everything that proves you wrong. You can even claim you live in some Matrix and nothing is real and argue about it for years without end.

What proved me wrong?

And why do you accept the supposed discoveries of others so easily?

 

[HealthyShape]

What proved me wrong?

I told you already.

And why do you accept the supposed discoveries of others so easily?

Because they work.

 

[David Lamb]

#2 - NEVER believe any falsehood from NASA of flights, pictures over Antarctica, including the guy who is part of the coverup. He, lol, traveled across Antarctica = last year? = lol

But there are flights over Antarctica from various places in Australia. Nothing to do with NASA - I think they are operated by the airline QANTAS. Details at this website: Antarctica Flights from Australia - Antarctica Flights

 

[David Lamb]

GENESIS = aka God's Word

I understood the post to be asking you if you had evidence for your statement that there is an ongoing HYBRID program since the 50's. Genesis doesn't mention the 1950s.

 

[David Lamb]

If earth is spinning at around 1,000mph, how can a butterfly seemingly fly in any direction without being affected by the spin?

Because, like planes and birds, butterflies are already on the earth before they begin flying, so if the earth is revolving, they are already revolving with it.

 

[David Lamb]

I have wondered why when someone jumps off of a cliff, they don't get pulled into the cliff, but rather get pulled downward. There should be some observable force present.

If mass pulls us in, then why do we only seem to experience objects getting pulled down? Maybe it's just me. Maybe @rvmb , @ScottA , @marks , or even @HealthyShape with his earth-shadow moon-crescent theory have experienced being pulled sideways into cliffs before.

I am no scientist, so I may be wrong, but I would say that the size of the earth is far, far, greater than the size of a cliff, and the earth's gravity pull is much stronger than that of a cliff.

 

[David Lamb]

Now you are changing the subject and asking a loaded and irrelevant question. Goodness, I can see how many of you buy the globe model so easily.

I didn't see his post as changing the subject. Just as the plane is moving, yet a passenger can get up and walk to the toilet without being flung to the wall or the floor because the plane is moving, so a butterfly on a revolving earth can fly on earth without get flung off by the revolving. Just as the plane passenger is already moving with the plane before he gets out of his seat to go to the toilet, so the butterfly is already on the earth and revolving with it before it begins flying.

 

[David Lamb]

With flat earth, east and west may have no end. It is merely left and right of North.

How about you? What towns are most eastern and western on your trusted globe model?

Or are you holding the flat earth model to higher standards than the globe earth model? Asking questions not even you could answer?

On a globe earth too, there is no end to east and west. When you travel north, you eventually would reach the North Pole, and after that, you are travelling south. Similarly with south and the South Pole. That makes the verse about God setting our sins as far away as the east is from the west even more poignant.

 

[David Lamb]

And yet, God describes in detail the creation is a circle, not a globe ...it is fixed, unmovable, with foundations, and a firmament ...with luminaries IN that firmament ..with waters above and below the firmament. Why not believe Him?

Where does God "describe in detail the creation is a circle not a globe?" Genesis 1 & 2 don't mention the earth's shape. Maybe you are thinking of Isaiah 40:22:

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” (Isa 40:22 NKJV)"

If so, that verse does not say that the earth is a circle. It mentions the circle of the earth. That doesn't mean that the earth is a circle, any more than "the capital of England" somehow means that England is a capital.

 

[David Lamb]

Except every single glober discounts and refuses to believe God's Word is accurate and 100% true.

Good night.

I disagree with your statement. I believe that the earth is a globe, and I do believe God's infallible word to be 100% true.

 

[Archie]

What are your thoughts on the idea the earth isn't a globe, but instead more of a flat plane?

I'm not a carpenter by trade, though I'm pretty sure that Jesus was. While I'm not a carpenter I have a fair amount of experience in the trades, mostly, but not limited to home renovation/remodeling. So I've constructed a few things in my lifetime, a few of which, as far as I am aware, are still standing.

The Lord Jesus Christ, the Master Builder and Creator of everything, would have surely known the basics of building solid and enduring structures. Before any construction begins, the first business of order is to level the construction surface, a secure foundation must then be put into place, everything has to be square and level, it's not optional.

My hippie neighbor built a greenhouse a few years ago, it was overbuilt and pretty stout, I was somewhat impressed.

A few weeks or months later he asked me to come over and give him a hand. The entire greenhouse was collapsing. My first question was, "when you started this project, did you level the ground and square the timbers." His response of course, was no.

Jesus was no hippie, (not that I have anything against hippies)
He is the Living Word of God who created all things. To imagine that He would choose to build his world upon a rotating ball moving through space at unimaginable velocity seems to me, well, laughable honestly.

The bible, which He also Authored, as His Spirit moved upon the Holy men of old, while not a science book, does leave us many clues as to the form and substance of the heavens above and earth below.

Trust the Science is a popular phrase these days. I have always been skeptical of science, for many reasons that I will not go into at this time. My skepticism has served me well through the years. I have however, no such reservations about the wisdom of God or His Holy Scriptures.

Daniel 4:10-11
‘Now these were the visions in my mind as I lay on my bed: I was looking, and behold, there was a tree in the midst of the earth and its height was great. ‘The tree grew large and became strong
And its height reached to the sky,
And it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever.

Job 26:7
“He stretches out the north over empty space
And hangs the earth on nothing.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,
“O sun, stand still at Gibeon,
And O moon in the valley of Aijalon.”
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.
Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Job 26:10
“He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters
At the boundary of light and darkness.

Job 37:3
“Under the whole heaven He lets it loose,
And His lightning to the ends of the earth.

1 Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before Him, all the earth;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved.

Psalm 93:1
The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty;
The Lord has clothed and girded Himself with strength;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved.

Psalm 96:10
Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns;
Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved;
He will judge the peoples with equity.”

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Great question, looking forward to reading all the other replies.

 

[Archie]

Explain, what? Poetry?

Do you really think God "sits" upon the Earth?

The words "sitteth upon" in Hebrew may convey a much deeper meaning than simply sitting upon a chair. Though in some places, it does indeed refer to posture and placement. The text neither proves nor disproves the question at hand.

 

[Archie]

Did you not go to school?

Does a basketball have it's own atmosphere? Does a basketball spin in a compound orbit in zero gravity? Does a basketball have its own weather system? Did God created the heavens and a basketball?

Don't be stupid.

I'm new here, and am unfamiliar with forum rules, I am however very familiar with Christian principles. Insinuating that your brother or sister is "stupid", is not an argument, it contributes nothing to the conversation, and it's unkind.

 

[David Lamb]

Explain, what? Poetry?

Do you really think God "sits" upon the Earth?

Also, Isaiah 40:22 does not say that the earth is a circle. It mentions the circle or circuit of the earth, but that doesn't mean that the earth is a circle. That would be like saying that "He climbed to the top of the hill" means that the hill is a top, which of course is nonsense.

 

[Archie]

Because we know exactly where the Sun is. In every moment. Maybe it is a news to you, but the Sun is quite visible, it is hard to lose it.

It disappears behind the horizon because we live on a planet that rotates, but people in different time zones can see it, when you can't.

Go down to your local high school football field, stand at the fifty yard line. Have a friend stand at the thirty yard line, ask him to toss the ball over your head as far as he can, watch the ball as it approaches and goes sailing by. Did the ball pass over you due to the motion of the earth, or the motion and trajectory of the ball?

 

[Archie]

Fortunately a correct understanding of the shape of the earth is not a Salvation issue :)

Not in the doctrinal sense, no.

And yet, I have read many hundreds of testimonies of fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, who upon realising that they had been lied to their entire lives, and seeing the truth in scripture concerning the world they live in, came to place their faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Archie]

Perhaps they do. People even explain size differences with "light refraction".


I don't even know if it does. How do you know it does?

Also, "hemisphere" implies a globe. Surely you're not looking for the globe theory answer?


To answer your question simply, a flat earth does not have to erase the way basic 3-dimensional perception works. If you are elevated higher, you can see further/different angles of objects.

As for view perception, the way it seems to me, what is below you climbs up, appearing smaller and smaller the further away it is, until it meets what seems to be in the middle which seems to make up the horizon. What is above you climbs down, appearing smaller and smaller the further away it is, until it meets in the middle as well. So whatever is closer to the horizon (basically the end of what you can see, which sits at your eye level?) is harder to distinguish, as it gets smaller and smaller. Do you disagree? If so, then on what exactly?

1. When you stand on the mountain, you are higher, which seems to raise the horizon. Thus the islands wouldn't necessarily be lost in the horizon anymore. By climbing the mountain, you are pulling the islands downward within your perception (because as you climb, the horizon seems to climb with you - but the islands remain where they are). You might see the islands better from the mountain because you raised the horizon above the islands, so they are no longer lost in the horizon.

2. The higher you are above the islands, the more surface area of the islands you might see. Put a pancake on a table. Kneel so the pancake is at eye level. Then stand up so you are looking downward at the pancake. You should see more pancake from this higher point of view.

However, it seems the globe earth theory is the one that has a bigger problem with visuals. People are claiming (apparently with video proof) that we can see too far. Way, way too far. Structures that should be far hidden by the curvature of the earth are apparently visible, precisely as one would expect on a flat earth.


That's fair. My personal observations are far too limited for me to conclude the shape of earth, haha

You can however, make limitless observations concerning the shape of water. Standing water is always level.

 

[Archie]

@Rudometkin

Guys, this subject intrigues me.

What if the globe is the psyop???

Do you have any biblical or scientific evidence that we are on a ball spinning thru space at thousands of miles per hour?

No, they do not. What they do have are a host of mathematical equations, dogmatic presumptions, learned biases, arguments from authority, red herrings, straw men, ad hominems, logical fallacies, and deferrals to the same so called "scientific minds" that gave us the theory of evolution, abortion, transhumanism, atheism, secular humanism, atomic bombs, big pharma, GMO food, cloning, gender affirmation surgery, and implantable RFID technology.

 

[Archie]

Not only silly but people like you make Christianity look silly. Its this sort of thing why we are losing our youth. No service to God.

The data suggests otherwise.

Biblical Cosmology, from my own personal observation is bringing a great number of people to saving faith in Jesus Christ, more and more everyday.

Science and Academia, not so much.

Copied and pasted from a quick google search.

Estimates suggest that a significant portion of Christian students leave their faith during or shortly after entering college, though specific percentages vary across studies. Research from the Barna Group indicates that roughly 70% of high school students who enter college as professing Christians will leave with little to no faith, and this decline is often permanent, with 80% of those raised in the church becoming disengaged by age 29.

Another study by Campus Renewal estimates that between 60% and 80% of Christian students leave their faith when they go to college. A Lifeway Research study found that 66% of young adults raised in the church walk away from their faith during college.

Some sources report that up to 70–88% of youth from evangelical homes leave the faith after their first year in college.

A more recent analysis from Collegians for Christ states that between 52% and 63% of freshmen who identify as born-again believers may completely reject their faith after four years of college. While some studies suggest the drop-off begins earlier, during middle or high school, the college transition remains a critical period for faith retention.