"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."
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Dear Mr. E,Oneness Pentacostalism coming your way!
After the time of Paul, all the churches became apostate. I associate with none of them. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Joe
Mr. E,
You do not know anything about what I have learned from scripture. You are trying to fit me into a box that does not exist.
Again: the church became apostate after Paul's death because the spirit of anti-Christ came and devoured it.
Nothing has changed in the church since that time. Satan still remains in full control and has utterly deceived the churches which the Apostles started in the 1st century.
None of the various 2,000 denominations/sects of Christianity which exist in the world today teach the truth of Christ.
The Doctrines of Free Will and Hell are the foundational deceptions of Satan. By those doctrines, Satan kills the saints:
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
All the Elect have and will keep this saying of the prophecy which I presented above (Rev 22:7).
Here are some of the details of how Satan kills the saints:
The church is made up of believers who have only received the Early Rain of the Spirit. This gift of the Early Rain is what calls an unbeliever out from the world. However, the Early Rain is only the down payment (Eph 1:13-14) of the Spirit and is NOT the full amount which is given with the Latter Rain of the Spirit. Because the Early Rain is given in measure only, it will not destroy the carnality of the believer. Because the believer's carnality remains intact, they will remain spiritually blind and will not be able to "see" Christ. He remains "veiled" or hidden in a cloud.
A short time later, Satan will come to the believer and plant his seed within them. Satan's seed is the spirit of anti-Christ (Parable of the Wheat and the Tares). With the spirit of anti-Christ indwelling the believer, they have received the "mark of the Beast". They will then accept Satan's false truth of leavened bread, all the while believing it is the true bread of Christ. As they consume the leavened bread, it will cause them to "fall away" and spiritually die. The Elect believer will remain in this "worse than the first" spiritual state (a Man of Sin, Mat 12-43:45) until Christ comes to them a second time and gives them the Latter Rain of the Spirit.
With the Latter Rain of the Spirit, the Elect believer will be "born again" and his spiritual blindness healed. With their new "eyes that can see", they will see the true Christ for the first time. With this knowledge, the Man of Sin will be revealed to them and they will find that he is the person looking back at them in the mirror. This event will cause a spiritual earthquake within the believer and it will bring judgment to the Man of Sin. After the Elect believer's judgment is complete, the believer will be "converted".
If a believer has not been chosen from the foundation of the world to be one of Christ's Elect, Christ will not come to them a second time before they physically die. They will later be resurrected to judgment where Christ will say to them "I never knew you" (Mat 7:23).
Once an Elect believer receives the Latter Rain of the Spirit and is converted, they will begin walking by truth & light and will no longer fellowship with those who walk in darkness in the apostate church.
What I have briefly explained above is the pathway to salvation the Elect will travel during this age. It is the Narrow Path and it leads to life during the ages.
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
In the final age, after the "lost" have "paid the last penny" (Luke 12:59), Christ will have mercy upon them. At that time, Christ and His Bride ( the Elect) will call out to them:
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
From this verse, we can see Christ's purpose for bringing in the early harvest of First Fruits (the Elect). They will reign with Christ as kings and priests to help Him bring in His full harvest of mankind. After the full harvest is made, God will be "all in all".
It will then be testified to be true that all who died in Adam have been made alive in Christ.
With all that said, maybe now you have some idea of what I actually believe and teach.
Joe
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Davy
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Really have to keep that verse in context with the following section of 1 Corinthians 15...
1 Cor 15:21-23
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
How many is that above talking about, because Adam's sin was imparted to all born in the flesh? All born in the flesh, regardless if they are believers or not. And likewise by Jesus Who was born in the flesh like us in order to defeat death for us, by Him came the resurrection, but for whom? just for those who believe on Him?
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Without the previous verse, this one above is more difficult. Even the wicked all die in Adam's sin. So are all made alive by Christ? Not 'in Christ', but 'by Christ'? This begs the question of when is Paul pointing to, this present world? No, the world to come.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
Because of the above verse, many believe this matter by Paul is only pointing to believers on Jesus Christ, and does not include the unbelieving. However, that's men trying to put limitations upon what God's Word really shows...
Lord Jesus said...
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
See that above part about the wicked dead being raised from the dead also on that day?? That "resurrection of damnation" is also about a 'resurrection' from the dead by Christ. The difference Paul later goes into is those resurrected of the 'unjust' will still be subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" after... Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Those represent the unsaved nations of Rev.20 which Jesus and His elect will reign over beginning at His future return. Zechariah 14 even mentions leftovers of the nations that fought against Jerusalem at the end will be there, made to come up and worship The KING, Jesus Christ, and keep the feast of tabernacles.
1 Cor.15:24-26
24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV
Lord Jesus MUST reign over the unsaved nations with Satan locked in his pit prison, and then loosed one final time to test those unsaved. Then God will rain fire down upon Satan and his host after Christ's 1,000 years reign, and then the GWT Judgment, and death, hell, and Satan cast into the "lake of fire". Then there will be no more death.
Dear Davey,
What you have stated above is a perversion of the Gospel of Christ. You make Christ out to be a failure in accomplishing the mission His Father gave Him:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Your belief comes from the spirit of anti-Christ who is deceiving you.
Christ is all powerful, loving and merciful. No one can stop Him from saving all mankind.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Who or what do you believe is going to stop Christ from saving all mankind?
Also, the resurrection of damnation is the resurrection to judgment. After the "lost" have "paid the last penny" (Luke 12:59), Christ will have mercy upon them. He will then perform His spiritual work within them just as He did within the Elect. After their hearts and minds are changed, they, too, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It is only then that Christ will deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven to His Father.
From the successful completion of Christ's mission to save the world, the Father will receive glory:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Christ is not the failure you make Him out to be. You do not understand His plan for saving all mankind.
Joe
It's always entertaining to watch the "Hell is FOREVER" crowd respond to verses that CLEARLY indicate that ALL of mankind will eventually be with God.
On the contrary, you're the one that is ignoring a plethora of scripture that says that ALL people will one day be with God. You've been brainwashed to believe that God is a vindictive LOSER that loves torturing people. Your pride, vanity, and ego prevent you from acknowledging the truth.
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