Forgiveness vs Atonement

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Ritajanice

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John 3:7 Context​


4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
 

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What I write, I own and will claim it . Jousting is for mature believers!
Romans 8
Berean Standard Bible Par ▾
Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 3:5
1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
 

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I have been reading through your posts and you seem to have a pathological need to pump up your ego by bashing others...especially me! I flattered ...not! When I see your posts I know there is a wet blanket coming..and a new attack on me for speaking truth.
You provide the evidence to my assertion. Anyone is free to compare my posts to yours, and will draw their own conclusions.

Much love!
 

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You provide the evidence to my assertion. Anyone is free to compare my posts to yours, and will draw their own conclusions.

Much love!
One has to draw within the lines...to have a good assessment. But you know I see your motivation. You are drawing your own conclusions...and on the wrong side of the paper...so you don't see the lines that are meant to guide you in a proper discernment. I can see you still haven't gone to the cross yet. :rolleyes:
 

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I love "got questions" as the " answers" and the many other cut & paste ppl do as opposed to studying the word of God. No wonder they remain babies in Christ and walk in the flesh.l
have had enough " clouds without rain" to do for today.
Later
 

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One has to draw within the lines...to have a good assessment. But you know I see your motivation. You are drawing your own conclusions...and on the wrong side of the paper...so you don't see the lines that are meant to guide you in a proper discernment. I can see you still haven't gone to the cross yet. :rolleyes:
he went to the cross along time ago.

When will you?
 

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I have been reading through your posts and you seem to have a pathological need to pump up your ego by bashing others...especially me! I flattered ...not! When I see your posts I know there is a wet blanket coming..and a new attack on me for speaking truth.
now thats ironic considering @marks is one of the most gracious posters on the forum.

you are projecting again.
 

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One has to draw within the lines...to have a good assessment. But you know I see your motivation. You are drawing your own conclusions...and on the wrong side of the paper...so you don't see the lines that are meant to guide you in a proper discernment. I can see you still haven't gone to the cross yet. :rolleyes:
You just keep digging . . . showing however low you are willing to go. I've seen you repeat this pattern over and over with myself and others.

Out of the abundance of heart the mouth speaks. I urge you to hear the words of your mouth, and consider the heart from which they spring, and seek something better. He who seeks, finds.

Much love!
 

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now thats ironic considering @marks is one of the most gracious posters on the forum.

you are projecting again.
Truth has nothing to do with Epi's denigrations of others. Not to mention . . . "projecting" implies a certain sincerity, as though you believe the things you project to others. I have no confidence that there is any sincerity behind his comments, only a lashing out against those who disagree, then ongoing needling trying to get an emotional reaction. Or so it seems to me.

Much love!
 

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You just keep digging . . . showing however low you are willing to go. I've seen you repeat this pattern over and over with myself and others.

Out of the abundance of heart the mouth speaks. I urge you to hear the words of your mouth, and consider the heart from which they spring, and seek something better. He who seeks, finds.

Much love!
Faux outrage. Obfuscation and denial. You can't be helped. Whatever. Welcome to the peanut gallery here...that is only here to obscure the truth.
 
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