former scientologist needs your help

[mountaintop]

I desperetely need your help. Please spread my story here, post it to other message boards and tell your friends about it.I am not sure where to begin because there is so much to tell. I cant tell you my name but I hope you keep reading to understand why. I am 19 years old and I am a freshmen at college. About 3 years ago my life totally changed. I was taken from my parents or maybe they left me I dont know. I ended up with foster parents and was in public school for the first time. I graduated late because I couldnt pass the tests for graduation.My life has only just now begun because my parents are scientologists and so was I. All I ever knew was the people around me and the org and the tech. I grew up and I never once met any one who was not a scientologist. When I was 4 or 5 I started the clearing process. I was supposed to feel special being a boy because girls didnt start until alot later. When I was 9 I had to work. All day too. I believed that I was clearing the planet. I hardly ever saw my dad and only saw my mom like once a week. I remember the first time my dad left for sea org. My mom cried and got punished. I got punished too sometimes. Only scientologists dont call it punishment they have audits and rpf. I didnt really go to school because I had study tech. Im so far behind every one around me that I dont think I will get through college. I think my public school gave me teachers that were especially tentive so I could learn and do good enough to pass with respectable grades. My foster parents are a dream come true - they told me that they love me and that I could go to college because they would pay for it and Im really worried that Im going to flunk out.Anyway when I got to my foster parents 3 years ago I was angry and sad and confused and I had no clue what was going on. They took me to a psychologist and I was really upset. Iwas screaming and kicking and they said something about psychiatry and drugs and then I REALLY got upset. I know that you would not act this way but you were not rased scientologist. I was. Scientologists believe that psychiatry psychology and drugs are the biggest evil in the world and we used to make jokes about killing them all in different ways and laugh. If you did not laugh you got punished with audits or rpf. Any way I was restrained and sedated and given drugs. Over the following weeks I had to talk to a psychologist. At first I thought my spirit was basically being murdered so I wasnt listening or talking and when I did talk I did not say very nice things. There was a break when I didnt see her or anyone else really other than the woman who gave me the shots and then something happened. My psychologist came and got me and said "Im getting you out of here if it kills me". She put some real clothes on me and told me to walk sort of behind her so no one would notice me and we walked right out the front door. I thought I was free and that made me feel so good but I was still terrified. We got in her car and drove a long way. Then she parked the car and was kind of breathing funny and I saw that she was crying. She got out of the car and walked me over to wooded area with some benches. We were in a really big park with lots of trees and when she stopped crying she said to me "I dont know you but I care enough about you that I would trade my life to make yours better". This was totally opposite to everything I was told to beleive about people like her. The Park was nice and we talked. I told her about my childhood and she cried and I did too. She told me that I wasnt on any drugs she said it was saline to make me think it was drugs. I totally understand how brilliant she was to trick me out of scientology the way she did. I was tricked into trusting her but she did not abuse my trust she used it to help me. This is not how it works in scientology.She took me home to my foster parents after that. And I was HAPPY. The first time in my whole life I kew what that word meant. My foster parents spent hours with me every night talking with me about everything. Nothing was taboo and I never had relationships like it. My foster dad says he is christian and my mom says she is agnostic but she still goes to church with him. She said their pastor rocks. they told me that I was not going to go to church with them and at first I felt glad that I didn't have to go to church and then later I wanted to but they said no. when I asked why my mom said "god does not come to those who want him" which didn't make any sense to me at all. My parents brought their pastor to dinner soon after that and he came every week and we talked. Turns out that my mom was right he does rock and he is christian/agnostic like my mom is. He mostly just talked to me like a friend I asked some questions and he answered them. I learned more in 2 months of talking to him than I did my whole life in scientology.We almost had to move shortly afterward because my parents were being threatened over the phone. They were followed by cars all the time and people taking pictures. Our neighbors were getting letters in the mail claiming that my foster parents were child pornograghers. My foster dad's boss got letters too. This is why you cant leave scientology. The church comes after you. HARD. I know because I remember having to print fold and seal the same kind of letters my nieghbors were getting. I feel horrrible about it but I didn't know what I was doing then. I was just afraid of getting punished like everyone else. This is why I dont dare reveal my name. Im still afraid. Im especially afraid of what might happen to my foster parents. Im crying right now as I write this because you probably think this is a joke and I dont know what to say to you to get you to beleive me but leaving th church really is a big no-no. and talking against the church makes you a SP - supressive person. SP's must be destroyed at all costs says the church so thats what the scientologists do. My foster parents had to make sure I was always guarded after some guys showed up at the door dressed like cops but they were from the church and they were very threatening and demanded that I be handed over to them. Im afraid that somehow they might find me from posting this message and hurt my foster parents. Im so afraid I might lose them.I was worried enough when I got to college but my room mate has been great. he is smart and kind and he helps me alot. He really cares. Anyway he is a news junkie and last week we were watching the news - I forget which one and up pops this video of Tom Cruise in a speech for scientology. I had told him all about my past and what it was like and he had been very compassionate. His eyes were bulging out of his head and I could only imagine what he was thinking - like "oh my god they are totally crazy". He was definitely shocked. Within minutes everyone on our floor was watching the video on youtube. They were all laughing and replaying the video over and over. Everything I went through has all come back and I have been crying alot. Now there this group called "Anonymous" on the internet that has declared war on scientology. There are going to be protests and demonstrations. My room mate says he is "Anonymous" and that there could be many thousands of people world wide that are "Anonymous" and are going to protest at the churches. Now I know him and I beleive him when he says Anonymous is committed to non-violence. But SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT. I know how it works because I was in it and I saw what they do to protesters. Even if the protests are non violent the scientologists will come out and pretend to be one of the protesters and will bully and CAUSE violence against the church. Trust me when I tell you that this is what they are trained to do and they will even die if the church tells them that they have to.I have been talking to my roommate about what I should do. I cant just let this happen. he says he is going to protest no matter what because "evil prevails when good men do nothing, and so far good men have done nothing, but Anonymous delivers". I have not seen my real parents in 3 years. I don't even know if they are still alive. Its no secret that bad things happen on the ships. I don't know what to do because I can't go - if I do my foster parents might be attacked and my real parents might be killed.I am writing this plea for your help because since getting out of scientology I have met really great people who are christian. I dont know if Im christian or not but I have been counseled by christians and I have read what jesus was teaching and saying and it is christians who have totally proven to me that love works. Not scientology. I am not writing this plea for myself but for the scientologists out there. Their minds are NOT free. They have no idea what their saying or doing because its all brainwashing. Please believe me because I was one of them and they don't deserve what their church is going to do to them.I totally understand if you dont believe me but go on the internet and inform yourself with the information out there. This will be a jonestown of worldwide scale if Anonymous succeeds in exposing the leaders of the church. They aren't going to be allowed to live and I dont know what to do other then tell you my story and ask for your help. Please help. I think you are the only people who can help. Make sure that scientologists hear your voice and that you tell them that you are not attacking there beleifs. Tell them that they have the same right that you have to believe whatever you choose because that is what a free mind does. AND MAKE CERTAIN that they hear you say that even though you dont know them you care enough about them that you would trade your life to make theirs better.I am going to go. despite all that I could lose. evil prevails when good men do nothing and so far good men have done nothing but anonymous delivers.

 

[Thunder1]

Thank you for sharing that story, Mountaintop ! I'm sorry what you've been through. I for you and your families. Our God has already won the devil.And He loves Scientologists, but not what they do. God wants them to be saved. I remember all this in my prayers. I have one scientologist customer, who sometimes comes to buy health products. We discussed, but I see him so rarely. We can always pray though. There is power in prayer when we agree together.God Bless,Thunder1

 

[BearingChristaHammer]

Oh man my heart really goes out to you. What can be done to help? I know for one that scientology is something to avoid. My brother and his friends went on a road trip to Arizona and got literally hauled off to this Scientology building. They just started talking to this guy about it and then all of a sudden found themselves forced into this building, then into secret room and had to watch these videos. He said it was really creepy, - and that they couldn’t leave. They felt harm would be done to them if they didn’t conform or tried to contest.I can definitely see the brainwashing thing you speak of. From my perspective it is literally handing your mind over to Satan, or to men who have no concern for your health, might as well be the same thing. The way I see it there are only two houses in the universe: one is of God and the kingdom of His Christ, and the other is for those in rebellion who have sided with the Devil. You will believe anything if you clear your mind to accept it. Even Christianity takes a little bit of rewiring your thinking. But it is something that appeals to “common sense” and is a simple “good news” to be spread to those who will listen. It isn’t forced and it shouldn’t be violent though men have made that mistake while bearing our name.Here’s the gist of it: We are created plain and simple by someone more powerful than us. This being is not a man, not a life force, nor alien, nor a hybrid group of or super species, etc. The truth is that we are created by something beyond that of the flesh, that of DNA, and that of what you can see with your eyes. We were created by The Elohim, the One True God. His name is Yahweh and man has tried to take even that from Him. The Devil is crafty, but we are to call Him by name and call upon His name. He is our deliverer.He sent His Son to testify of the Father to us, and to become as intercessor between God and His people and to save us from His wrath and the sting of death because of sin. Men as you see have decided from the beginning to abide in Satan’s house so now sin has become part of our heritage. God is jealous and hence will not stride with man forever because we give our love to the things of the flesh. He sent His Son to die here in the things seen; our history, our world, so that we might live to those things which are not seen; heaven, and God’s thrown. We are to worship Him and put away of these false teaching such as Scientology.The Son is one with God and is calling use to come under one name with the Father through Him because of His death for us and in Him because of the Life that the Father has given Him because of that sacrifice. He didn’t have to do it. We take Him at His word as find it in the Bible. But He can also speak to you in your heart. Though man has forgotten how to listen, but your conscience itself will bear testimony to the laws He has written in your heart. It is the transgression of this law that leads to death, because sin takes us away from God who is pure. His righteousness doesn’t burn the wicked because He is mean, it burns the wicked because is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY and evil WILL not abide in His house.So that’s the quick rundown of where things are. And you obviously are held accountable to what you know. But you are also held accountable to what’s in your heart; because that is put there by God. I can say all this with confidence because I know the Son - Jesus Christ. I am sure that the scientologists boldly claim what they believe in confidence too. The difference, however, as I’m sure you’ve already seen is a wicked fruit. I hope you have experienced enough already to tell that ours is not.The other difference is that they would prove their religions with man’s words; this one stands on revelation that comes down from God. Its fruits are holy and so is our God who IS love and an all consuming fire.The fruit is good. You get a God who loves you and cares enough for you to let you eat of the Tree of Life. This Tree of Life is His son if you come to Him. You just need to pray it in your heart and believe asking forgiveness for your sins and that He would come into your life and you in His. You have to make a covenant from that point on to walk with Him. I’m not trying to preach to you, I am just telling you real short how it is. I know the Son through sort of a trial and error off again on again journey.But I have seen enough to know it’s real and I know in my heart as a separate testimony unto itself. When I came to Christ, or rather was led to him by God, as Christ is the fisher of men, it was a very dramatic experience for me. It is not always this way. I had a demon in me as well as a chest ailment that doctors couldn’t diagnose let alone heal. Jesus took care of all this for me and more, He forgave me of my sins.So if you can I challenge you to turn to Him now in the power of prayer and try to take some solace in the fact that you are loved by a far more powerful Being than the entire church of scientology combined. They worship a single fingerprint of God’s creation and not God they are after a lie. These men are evil as their violence testifies to. I hope that no harm will be done to you or your loved ones. What can be done to help? I will be praying for you.What is this sea org.? I have heard of. I know that is where they really brainwash you but I am not %100 sure if I know what I am talking about. I know it’s a bad apple so I’ve just stayed away.Thanks for sharing, I hope many here will be praying for you, I know I will.Take some time to try and walk with God through all this. Just make time, you wont regret it and if anything at least you will get some time to try and calm yourself. If you are being called then it is not you that have come. God does the calling, but you can seek Him. We are rewarded for seeking Him out, but if you do so, do it with ALL your heart and soul. What would you bring to your God: a lame, blind and sickly blemished lamb?, Or the best of you and all that you can offer even through these hard times? He is very real and He loves you. He is seeking us to worship Him. My friend I need to tell you though that you can't go to Him as an agnostic you have to believe. If nothing happens then so be it, you wont have men here seeking your ill will. God calls us to worship Him in Truth and Spirit because this is what He is.I will be praying for you. Keep us updated if not at your risk. I would like to know how things go. Thanks for the warning as well.

 

[mountaintop]

I dont think you understand how lucky I consider myself to be. I have come into contact with exactly the right people for my eyes to have opened. After all I have been through I have what most of you will never have - a mind that will never be hijacked with brainwashing ever again.Im not asking for help for me, but on behalf of scientologists who are currently stuck in this cult. THEY DONT HAVE A WAY OUT. "Anonymous" has declared war and there will be mass protests and demonstrations worldwide on the 10th of Febuary. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH - the church is going to make sure that it turns violent and try to claim persecution.I dont want you to pray for me, I dont need it. What I need from you is to arm yourself knowledge and TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. If you care about others having the choice to beleive like you do I implore you to research scientology. There are HORRIBLE abuses going on under the claok of "church". The only way this cult will lose its power over its victims is for you to TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.Things you should really know about scientology- Scientologists are made to believe that Jesus was a pedophile. REALLY.- L RON HUBBARD was a satanist. HE REALLY WAS.- Women are force to have abortions AGAINST THIER WILL.- L Ron Hubbard even performed abortion rituals on his wife.- People are forced to cut off all contact with non-sci family members.- People who leave are harassed or killed under the policy of "fair game".your board wont let me post links so go to wikipedia or google and do some searchesAbout the Sea Org About Rehabilitation Project ForceAbout "fair game"About RPFAbout Lisa McPherson and Josephus Havenithall the info on www(dot)xenu(dot)net is accurate as far as what I experienced. I only reached OT2 so I actually didnt know about the aliens and xenu and alot of other stuff but everything here is accurate as confirmed by many former scientologists.Please dont just stick your head in the sand

 

[Faithful]

I totally understand if you dont believe me but go on the internet and inform yourself with the information out there. This will be a jonestown of worldwide scale if Anonymous succeeds in exposing the leaders of the church. They aren't going to be allowed to live and I dont know what to do other then tell you my story and ask for your help. Please help. I think you are the only people who can help. Make sure that scientologists hear your voice and that you tell them that you are not attacking there beleifs. Tell them that they have the same right that you have to believe whatever you choose because that is what a free mind does. AND MAKE CERTAIN that they hear you say that even though you dont know them you care enough about them that you would trade your life to make theirs better.I am going to go. despite all that I could lose. evil prevails when good men do nothing and so far good men have done nothing but anonymous delivers.
:naughty:Why who makes the choice if they live or die. If the leaders die then how does that affect the believers. We cannot lie against the truth of Jesus Christ saying we accept false teachings. Paul, Peter and James all died for their beliefs in Christ Jesus. But they did not take their own lives someone took them because of their belief of truth. I would never dishonour my Lord or the saints who have suffered and died for Christ. By condoning teachings which will cost men their souls. These people are already dead to God. Not everyone is scientology is raised from birth. Believers in Christ give their lives for others and their Lords. But not for false teachings and certainly do not give in to emotional blackmail to lie before the true God.I do not believe you are true to the Lord Jesus. He would never ask us to support a lie in order for someone to live. Even the apostles never denied Christ in order to live. Christ is the Son of God and he is the only way for man to come to the Father. He would not in any man request that we do such a thing as you suggest.So clearly you thought the christian has no truth, they believe just words of men. Well we know the Son of God and we know that their is only one God and Lord. And our Lord and our Father can see through deceptions at any level.Christ said, Let the dead bury their dead. If you knew our Lord Jesus you would not have posted these things or even suggested the above.Not a bird falls to the ground without God knowing and even the hairs on our head is counted. We know only the things that are meant to happen will And denying the truth is not part of it. Very eros but our God is not false and he is no fool the enemy may have devoured you but we know whom we believe in. Christ died so men could be saved. You think you can trick Gods people in to reading false teachings. Did you think God might be taking a nap from watching over us or that the Lord Jesus does not really dwell in us.Go back and tell them you failed because the God of Israel YHWH is alive and well and living with his true children through their Lord Jesus Christ.A kingdom cannot turn on itself. Evil prevails when fools rush in where angels fear to tread.Faithful.

 

[mountaintop]

FAITHFUL said-"I do not believe you are true to the Lord Jesus. He would never ask us to support a lie in order for someone to live. Even the apostles never denied Christ in order to live. Christ is the Son of God and he is the only way for man to come to the Father. He would not in any man request that we do such a thing as you suggest.So clearly you thought the christian has no truth, they believe just words of men. Well we know the Son of God and we know that their is only one God and Lord. And our Lord and our Father can see through deceptions at any level.Christ said, Let the dead bury their dead. If you knew our Lord Jesus you would not have posted these things or even suggested the above."All I asked you to do is inform yourself and you didn't. Nobody does. This is why scientology exists - because all the people stick their heads in the sand and say "oh this cant possibly be true".FAITHFUL also said -"These people are already dead to God."Thats a terrible thing to say. you are turning your back on people who need your help because they dont believe what you do. You clearly dont understand their situation. THEY DONT HAvE A CHOICE."I do not believe you are true to the Lord Jesus."You should consider that perhaps YOU are not being true to Jesus. I decided some time ago, after being exposed to what Buddah, Jesus, Muhammed, Rumi, and many others said and did and I decided that Jesus knew what I wnted to know. I dont consider Jesus my "lord". I call him my Master.If you wish to brand me as a liar then why not prove it? Please inform yourself is all I asked and you havent.

 

[Faithful]

mountaintop;333FAITHFUL said-"I do not believe you are true to the Lord Jesus. He would never ask us to support a lie in order for someone to live. Even the apostles never denied Christ in order to live. Christ is the Son of God and he is the only way for man to come to the Father. He would not in any man request that we do such a thing as you suggest.So clearly you thought the christian has no truth, they believe just words of men. Well we know the Son of God and we know that their is only one God and Lord. And our Lord and our Father can see through deceptions at any level.Christ said, Let the dead bury their dead. If you knew our Lord Jesus you would not have posted these things or even suggested the above."All I asked you to do is inform yourself and you didn't. Nobody does. This is why scientology exists - because all the people stick their heads in the sand and say "oh this cant possibly be true".06]
There are thousands dying from starvation and dirty water everyday.There are Christians in China murdered and tortured for their beliefs.Where are you posts for these?If there brainwashed as you say, then enforcing the falseness of their faith as truth means they will kill themselves anyway. Nice story but it does not add up. You see if you tell them it is all true, then they have to die don't they. Guess the person writing the clever post never thought beyond that one did they. Still sticking with the story? Your right, " It can't possibly be true.":naughty:
FAITHFUL also said -"These people are already dead to God."Thats a terrible thing to say. you are turning your back on people who need your help because they dont believe what you do. You clearly dont understand their situation. THEY DONT HAvE A CHOICE.
No it is an honest thing to say. I understand their situation perfectly.I am not willing to deny Christ and the truth by telling lies to others about what they believe. If there brainwashed it would only encourage them to kill themselves.
"I do not believe you are true to the Lord Jesus."You should consider that perhaps YOU are not being true to Jesus. I decided some time ago, after being exposed to what Buddah, Jesus, Muhammed, Rumi, and many others said and did and I decided that Jesus knew what I wnted to know. I dont consider Jesus my "lord". I call him my Master.
Pity you do not honour your master by not encouraging others to lie about the truth. Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth and the life, no one can come to God but by me." No other way, you do not suggest I betray my Lord by lying about the truth he teaches do you?If you wish to brand me as a liar then why not prove it? Please inform yourself is all I asked and you havent.[/As you can see I do not have go to the site to prove your a liar. The words you yourself wrote is against the truth of Christ. You have already done this yourself. 2 John 1:9-11.9.Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10.If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11.For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[tim_from_pa]

("mountaintop")
"Anonymous" has declared war and there will be mass protests and demonstrations worldwide on the 10th of Febuary. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH - the church is going to make sure that it turns violent and try to claim persecution.
So, let me get this straight. You are saying that the "church" of Scientology is going to revolt on Sunday, February 10th? Could you be more specific? Am I to expect ravaging bands of Scientologists to march down the street breaking windows and causing riots, or maybe a coup to take over the government? Or what am I to expect?

 

[tim_from_pa]

I just looked up on the Internet about "Anonymous" and it appears to be someone against Scientology and this group will protest against Scientology. AnonymousMountaintop:I think you have to make yourself clearer when addressing this subject. You had me believing the other way around. You sound a little emotional and that hinders one from speaking precisely.My fault that I did not check the sources first whenever someone makes such a fantastic claim.

 

[mountaintop]

I care deeply about everyone who suffers. But the suffering of scientologists are close to me because I have lived it. I think you are willfully ignorant, FAITHFUL. You believe you are right and therefore everyone else must be wrong. I am not going to attack your beliefs because you have a right to believe what you want to.You dont know me, but you believe that you do. You dont know the state of mind that scientologists suffer, yet you believe that you do. You could not possibly understand because you have not experienced it and I would never wish that upon you.Thinking that people should die because they do not believe in your god is exactly the reason that muslims used to justify flying planes into the world trade center. Why are christians the only people who deserve your compassion? Why do you make assumptions that are not true and then attack anyone who questions your actions?For anyone who really does care-The "Church" of scientology has control over peoples minds and are going to instigate violence so they can claim persecution. The "church" abuses its followers and does not care if they die as long as it serves them. "Anonymous" may be peaceful but the church is going to try and make sure that there is violence. I know this because I was in it and know what these people are brainwashed into doing.I dont think that "Anonymous" understands that this is going to turn violent because they dont understand that scientologists beleive that any SP (suppressive Person) is subject to "fair game" which includes murder. They have also been tricked into beleiving that there will be "battles" for earth and that there is something called EOC or "end of cycle" which is code for suicide that scientologists will be directed to do.These people dont think there is a way out and I know for certain that some want to get out but they are afraid of what the "church" will do to them. They need a way out but who is going to provide it?

 

[mountaintop]

(tim_from_pa;33312)
I just looked up on the Internet about "Anonymous" and it appears to be someone against Scientology and this group will protest against Scientology. Mountaintop:I think you have to make yourself clearer when addressing this subject. You had me believing the other way around. You sound a little emotional and that hinders one from speaking precisely.My fault that I did not check the sources first whenever someone makes such a fantastic claim.
I am sorry if my first post was difficult to understand. I had been up all night and crying fiercely. I could barely see the keys when I was typing.Im trying to tell you that I know from experience that there are scientologists who want to get out but they dont know how. There is no safety net for them to fall into. The "church" will try to destroy them and they know this. I dont know what to do because although I want to do something, my parents might be made to suffer badly if the church finds out. They might also learn of my whereabouts.The claims seem fantastic like you say but if enough people find out about what the chuch has been doing they wont be able to operate in secret like they are used to. That is what I am trying to do - get some people involved in learning what the "church" has been doing and spread the word. If enough people find out, the church might not be able to harrass and destroy the people who leave the cult.

 

[mountaintop]

Now that I can post links, here are a bunchAbout the Sea Org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_orghttp://www.xenu.net/archive/so/About RPFhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehabilitation_Project_ForceAbout "fair game"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_%28Scientology%29They kill people who resisthttp://www.whyaretheydead.net/Read Paulette Cooper's testimonyhttp://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/paulette_cooper/"Anonymous" is realhttp://www.news.com/8301-10789_3-9859513-5...g=2547-1_3-0-20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiiKM34sIQAI have been researching here alot. go here -http://www.xenu.net

 

[Thunder1]

mountaintop: I care deeply about everyone who suffers. But the suffering of scientologists are close to me because I have lived it. I think you are willfully ignorant, FAITHFUL. You believe you are right and therefore everyone else must be wrong. I am not going to attack your beliefs because you have a right to believe what you want to.You dont know me, but you believe that you do. You dont know the state of mind that scientologists suffer, yet you believe that you do. You could not possibly understand because you have not experienced it and I would never wish that upon you.Thinking that people should die because they do not believe in your god is exactly the reason that muslims used to justify flying planes into the world trade center. Why are christians the only people who deserve your compassion? Thunder1:OUR ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD loves all humankind and don't want them to perish. Christians are not showing compassion only to the other Christians. They are HELPING and praying for anybody. Don't just make conclusions yourself. You haven't lived 'in our shoes', been through what we been through. Only God knows.Mountaintop:Why do you make assumptions that are not true and then attack anyone who questions your actions?For anyone who really does care-The "Church" of scientology has control over peoples minds and are going to instigate violence so they can claim persecution. The "church" abuses its followers and does not care if they die as long as it serves them. "Anonymous" may be peaceful but the church is going to try and make sure that there is violence. I know this because I was in it and know what these people are brainwashed into doing.I dont think that "Anonymous" understands that this is going to turn violent because they dont understand that scientologists beleive that any SP (suppressive Person) is subject to "fair game" which includes murder. They have also been tricked into beleiving that there will be "battles" for earth and that there is something called EOC or "end of cycle" which is code for suicide that scientologists will be directed to do.These people dont think there is a way out and I know for certain that some want to get out but they are afraid of what the "church" will do to them. They need a way out but who is going to provide it?Thunder1ossibly no one, in some cases Our God, in some cases they themselves.

 

[mountaintop]

Thunder1,I was addressing FAITHFUL who was calling me a liar and proposing that scientologists should die because they dont believe what he/she does. It does not seem to me that FAITHFUL cares about the truth but would rather whip out scripture to condemn anyone in disagreement.

 

[Thunder1]

Mountaintop: THEY DONT HAVE A WAY OUT. "Anonymous" has declared war and there will be mass protests and demonstrations worldwide on the 10th of Febuary. I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH - the church is going to make sure that it turns violent and try to claim persecution.Thunder1:You had a way out. They can have way out too.Mountaintop:I dont want you to pray for me, I dont need it. Thunder1:Ok, I just waisted my time. I stop praying for you straight away.Mountaintop: What I need from you is to arm yourself knowledge and TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. If you care about others having the choice to beleive like you do I implore you to research scientology. There are HORRIBLE abuses going on under the claok of "church". The only way this cult will lose its power over its victims is for you to TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. Thunder1:So I tell everybody I know.... and what are they going to do about it ... and what happens then ?Mountaintop:Things you should really know about scientology- Scientologists are made to believe that Jesus was a pedophile. REALLY.- L RON HUBBARD was a satanist. HE REALLY WAS.- Women are force to have abortions AGAINST THIER WILL.- L Ron Hubbard even performed abortion rituals on his wife.- People are forced to cut off all contact with non-sci family members.- People who leave are harassed or killed under the policy of "fair game".your board wont let me post links so go to wikipedia or google and do some searchesAbout the Sea Org About Rehabilitation Project ForceAbout "fair game"About RPFAbout Lisa McPherson and Josephus Havenithall the info on www(dot)xenu(dot)net is accurate as far as what I experienced. I only reached OT2 so I actually didnt know about the aliens and xenu and alot of other stuff but everything here is accurate as confirmed by many former scientologists.Thunder1:And what I do with all that info.... tell everybody??Mountaintoplease dont just stick your head in the sandThunder1:My head is not in the sand. Is everything ok, then?

 

[tim_from_pa]

Well, in all this I'm just curious as to what will take place February 10th. I wonder if the news media will cover it.As for worrying about the "church" coming after you or your parents, if you have substantial claims, have you gone to the authorities? It matters not where a thug comes from, a church or otherwise. If they are going to do something like that, then that is breaking the law.Also, A 12 gauge is good for starters if you are that fearful. You don't even have to be a good aim to use one of those. Thugs are basically cowards when you show you mean business.

 

[mountaintop]

Thunder1,Imagine that you are standing before a pit of quicksand and there is someone drowning in front of you. You cant help becuase you cant reach that person.also imagine that surrounding you is a bunch of people holding poles that could reach the person but they dont feel like doing so and you are pleading for their assistance. But they wont help.That is how I feel right now.If enough people find out what the church of scientology is doing, the church wont be able to control these people the way they are used to. If I cant get anyone to lend a pole, maybe I can drain the quicksand.

 

[mountaintop]

Also, I want you to understand that I did not choose to leave. Child protective Services took me away from it.

 

[mountaintop]

The "church" of scientology continues to abuse people because they created a veil of secrecy to hide behind. The fact that people have no idea what they are doing and thinks them unharmful is a testament to how good they are at persecuting their critics.The Law is what protects the "church". You should find out how many laws they break in their abuses. You would be disturbed.

 

[mountaintop]

I dont really know what will happen on Feb 10. I only know that thousands of protesters are going to demonstrate at the churches and also that I know what scientologists are trained to do to them. The simple conclusion is violence.