Freedom From Our Sins

[RichardBurger]

Freedom From Our Sins:

All scriptures are from the NKJV

Romans 8:1-11 --- Free from Indwelling Sin (this does not mean we have no sins in/of the flesh. It means we are set free from the condemnation of our sins)

1 There is therefore now (present tense) no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, ****who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

(It should be noted that in the above scripture the words after the **** are not in the original text. It is in verse 4)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has (present tense) made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did (past tense) by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

(things of the flesh are those things that men think will save them. It is a fact that those that think they are saved by what they do will never know if they have done enough and they have no peace.)

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are (present tense) in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

10 And if Christ is in you, the body is (present tense) dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Will = future tense

1 John 3:1-3 --- The Command to Love
1 Behold what manner of love the Father has (present tense) bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

2 Beloved, now (present tense) we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

1 John 3:1-3 --- The Command to Love
1 Behold what manner of love the Father has (present tense) bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now (present tense) we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Philippians 3:20-21
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 who will (future action) transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

2 Corinthians 5:16-21
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

(The children of God no longer know Christ as He was in the flesh)

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have (present tense) become new.
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1-2 -- Marks of the Ministry
1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

Those who go back to law are not receiving the grace of God.

2 For He says: "In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you." Behold, now (present tense) is the accepted time; behold, now (present tense) is the day of salvation.
in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[prism]

I also like
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
(Rom 6:3-11)

 

[RichardBurger]

I also like
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
(Rom 6:3-11)

These are scriptures to help solidify our faith in the wok of God (Jesus) on the cross. Isn't it wonderful what Jesus did for us and all that will place their belief, faith, trust, and confidence "in Him?"

Thanks for the additional scriptures.

 

[Prentis]

Isn't it wonderful that by his power we can be conformed to him, if only we follow him and carry our cross daily? ;)

We must be conformed to him in his death, that we might be conformed to him in his life. :)

 

[RichardBurger]

Isn't it wonderful that by his power we can be conformed to him, if only we follow him and carry our cross daily? ;)

We must be conformed to him in his death, that we might be conformed to him in his life. :)

Tell us how you are conformed to Him in His death? It it a work of the Holy Spirit or a work of man?

To you It's all about US isn't it? You just can't seem to give credit where credit is due. Your sole purpose on my threads is to teach a gospel of works. What you will never see is that those that have (past tense) been born of God have no need for works of the flesh to make them righteous before God.

In all the scriptures I and prism have posted on this thread, salvation is a finished work of God. But you refuse to believe, have faith, trust and confidence in them. You reject the salvation that Jesus purchased for you on the cross and those "in Christ" can see it. IMHO it confirms that you never have been born of God.

Romans 8:1-11 --- Free from Indwelling Sin (this does not mean we have no sins in/of the flesh. It means we are set free from the condemnation of our sins)

1 There is therefore now (present tense) no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, ****who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

(It should be noted that in the above scripture the words after the **** are not in the original text. It is in verse 4)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS (present tense) made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did (past tense) by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
You reject verse 3 because it does nor fit your ideas. It says that GOD DID THE WORK THAT SETS US FREE. This has been, and is, my message but you fight it tooth and toenail. Your selfrighteous gospel will, IMHO, send many to hell along with you.

 

[Prentis]

I am merely stating the next step in the Christians life.

First we receive milk: Christ has come that you might live.
Then we move on to meat: You must die that he might live through you.

The second doesn't contradict the first; 'he who loses his life for my sake will find it'.

But when we deny the necessity of the second, we deny the power, and what God desires to do within us. God is not merely here to impute righteousness, he is also here to impart it. We are to walk as he walked, and attain the high calling in Christ.

I have no issue with milk, but I have issue with taking milk, and building a doctrine around it that promotes NOT eating meat, instead of the opposite.

 

[RichardBurger]

I am merely stating the next step in the Christians life.

First we receive milk: Christ has come that you might live.
Then we move on to meat: You must die that he might live through you.

The second doesn't contradict the first; 'he who loses his life for my sake will find it'.

But when we deny the necessity of the second, we deny the power, and what God desires to do within us. God is not merely here to impute righteousness, he is also here to impart it. We are to walk as he walked, and attain the high calling in Christ.

I have no issue with milk, but I have issue with taking milk, and building a doctrine around it that promotes NOT eating meat, instead of the opposite.

"merely here to impute righteousness, you say. You say it as if it is not needed and is just an after thought in salvation. And yet it was purchased by Jesus, hanging on a cross, and sheding His blood so that we can have it. No Prentis, to you it is all about you and your works but to the child of God it is the cross where Jesus reconciled us to God. Salvation is by faith in the work of God on the cross, a work that you will not give God credit for.

But it is clear that you think very little of what God has done for you and it is all about your works.

 

[prism]

I am merely stating the next step in the Christians life.

First we receive milk: Christ has come that you might live.
Then we move on to meat: You must die that he might live through you.

The second doesn't contradict the first; 'he who loses his life for my sake will find it'.


I have no issue with milk, but I have issue with taking milk, and building a doctrine around it that promotes NOT eating meat, instead of the opposite.

Milk is on the tongue of the taster.

The wisest Christian sages cannot scratch let alone plummet the depths of God's love in that God became man to suffer and die a cruel death on a bloody cross for those who despised and rejected Him when He could easily at the Fall picked up His toys and gone home....and grant them eternal life freely to boot!

Milk?????????? That which man calls milk I believe God calls 'Filet Mignon'.

 

[Prentis]

"merely here to impute righteousness, you say. You say it as if it is not needed and is just an after thought in salvation. And yet it was purchased by Jesus, hanging on a cross, and sheding His blood so that we can have it. No Prentis, to you it is all about you and your works but to the child of God it is the cross where Jesus reconciled us to God. Salvation is by faith in the work of God on the cross, a work that you will not give God credit for.

But it is clear that you think very little of what God has done for you and it is all about your works.

God paid the price. Yet not all will make it, many are called, but few are chosen. The way is narrow, and few are they who find it.

But who believes this to apply to us today? All of modern Christianity has brushed this off and said 'they must be talking about someone else, where all doing great'! Sounds like Laodicea? It's because it is. ;)

Jesus has shown us the way, now it is for us to follow. If we truly follow God, we will obey his commands, and he is not powerless to give strength to those who have faith in him.

It is the carnal mind which loves a gospel that tells us we are saved no matter what, because we can say 'check, I believed, did that'. It is the spiritual mind which understands we must move on now, to be conformed to Christ in character, adding to faith virtue, brotherly love, and the what Christ teaches.

[sup]12[/sup] Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [sup]13[/sup] Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [sup]14[/sup] I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[sup]15[/sup] Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. [sup]16[/sup] Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.

You set yourself against maturity, saying we should not go on and move forward after being regenerated and washed in the blood. You are like a child bucking against the necessity that comes with growing up; responsibility.

 

[Prentis]

Milk is on the tongue of the taster.

The wisest Christian sages cannot scratch let alone plummet the depths of God's love in that God became man to suffer and die a cruel death on a bloody cross for those who despised and rejected Him when He could easily at the Fall picked up His toys and gone home....and grant them eternal life freely to boot!

Milk?????????? That which man calls milk I believe God calls 'Filet Mignon'.

Milk is that we are loved, and that God sacrifices his own good for ours.

Meat is to follow this example, love and sacrifice ourselves for the good of others...

Many who have tasted milk have been strengthened by it in the flesh rather than the Spirit, and have chosen to become as spoiled children rather than move on to maturity and imitate our Lord. God gave his life and they say 'Thanks, I'll take that!', and keep it for themselves. They become as the dead sea, with no outpoor of water. Rather, we are to have rivers of living water flowing out of us. As Christ dies for the us, so we die for the world.

If a two dominos are standing, and one falls on the other, the second ought to fall also. If it doesn't, it is not a real domino, it either is composed of a different matter, which makes it stand (a different character), or it is attached to the ground (holding on to it's life to save it).

 

[RichardBurger]

Milk is that we are loved, and that God sacrifices his own good for ours.

Meat is to follow this example, love and sacrifice ourselves for the good of others...

Many who have tasted milk have been strengthened by it in the flesh rather than the Spirit, and have chosen to become as spoiled children rather than move on to maturity and imitate our Lord. God gave his life and they say 'Thanks, I'll take that!', and keep it for themselves. They become as the dead sea, with no outpoor of water. Rather, we are to have rivers of living water flowing out of us. As Christ dies for the us, so we die for the world.

If a two dominos are standing, and one falls on the other, the second ought to fall also. If it doesn't, it is not a real domino, it either is composed of a different matter, which makes it stand (a different character), or it is attached to the ground (holding on to it's life to save it).

So you think you die FOR THE WORLD? -- I though that Jesus has already done that.

 

[Prentis]

So you think you die FOR THE WORLD? -- I though that Jesus has already done that.

Jesus did that, yes. We are called to be his body, and now we die with him.

As Paul says, 'I die daily', this must be our reality. This who believe in being saved by Jesus without actually following him take the benefits of the gospel, what is offered us, while not doing what is required of us on our part. This only shows that they are trying to save their own lives, rather than giving it away. A wise attitude would be to give our lives in obedience to Christ, having the hope of glory, yet claiming nothing, 'I have not yet attained'. The attitude of the old nature and the new are diametrically opposed, and are revealed in this.

Colossians 1:24
I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

 

[Prentis]

Jesus died for his brothers, and now we ought to do the same.


1 John 3:16

[sup]16[/sup] By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.