Gal 3:28 started when & includes who ??

[rvmb]

Hi rvmb,

We agree on so much. However, we may differ from this point of when the Body of Christ started. (if that is your question)

I see that God still had His hand out to Israel to repent till we see them as the rulers (leaders of the Jews) not repent. (Acts 28: 3 - 28)

Then we read that when the Lord ascended He gave of His own ministries - apostles, prophets etc. (Eph. 4: 11) Barnabas was recognized as an apostle (Acts 14: 14) and he was part of the church at Antioch which had prophets and teachers. (Acts 13: 1)

The believers did not know of the details of the Body of Christ or what it was however, they were in Christ by His Holy Spirit. It needed the apostle Paul to give the revelation of the Body of Christ for believers to come into the full understanding of what they were - a Body, the New Man coming to maturity as the perfect, mature man. (Eph. 4: 13)

""It needed the apostle Paul to give the revelation of the Body of Christ""
ALL old Bible KJV & before :-
Gal 2:7-9 writes that it was agreed by all that :-
Paul, Barnabas are sent to the heathen/gentiles to teach the Gospel OF the UNcircumcision - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Peter/the 12 teach the Gospel OF the circumcision Acts 2:38-45 to the circumcision.
Why the need for Paul, why not simply send the 12 to teach Acts 2:38-45 to everyone ?

 

[Marilyn C]

""It needed the apostle Paul to give the revelation of the Body of Christ""
ALL old Bible KJV & before :-
Gal 2:7-9 writes that it was agreed by all that :-
Paul, Barnabas are sent to the heathen/gentiles to teach the Gospel OF the UNcircumcision - Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4.
Peter/the 12 teach the Gospel OF the circumcision Acts 2:38-45 to the circumcision.
Why the need for Paul, why not simply send the 12 to teach Acts 2:38-45 to everyone ?

Because as we both agree the 12 Apostles before the Lord`s ascension were sent by the Lord to Israel. Israel could still repent and receive the Lord as their Messiah, Christ, but we read that they finally rejected what Paul was saying in Acts 28.

And the 12 Apostles were promised that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28)

 

[rvmb]

Because as we both agree the 12 Apostles before the Lord`s ascension were sent by the Lord to Israel. Israel could still repent and receive the Lord as their Messiah, Christ, but we read that they finally rejected what Paul was saying in Acts 28.

And the 12 Apostles were promised that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28)

""And the 12 Apostles were promised that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel""
Yes - Prophetic teachings, do you believe that role will also apply to the MYSTERY AGE believers in Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:23, Col 3:11 ?

 

[Marilyn C]

""And the 12 Apostles were promised that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel""
Yes - Prophetic teachings, do you believe that role will also apply to the MYSTERY AGE believers in Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:23, Col 3:11 ?

Our inheritance is to rule with Christ on His own throne in the third heaven overall. (Rev. 3: 21)

 

[rvmb]

Our inheritance is to rule with Christ on His own throne in the third heaven overall. (Rev. 3: 21)

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If Rev ch's 1,2,3 applies to the Gal 3:28, Col 3:11 "Body of Christ" why the emphasis on works when Paul makes no mention of works as a condition for the Body of Christ to enter eternal life ?

 

[Marilyn C]

Understanding the Book of Revelation - doctrine.org

Introduction Revelation is a confusing book to most people despite the many commentaries written. The reason most commentaries fail to enlighten the book’s contents is because they violate one or more of the three basic principles of sound biblical interpretation.…

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If Rev ch's 1,2,3 applies to the Gal 3:28, Col 3:11 "Body of Christ" why the emphasis on works when Paul makes no mention of works as a condition for the Body of Christ to enter eternal life ?

Works are an indication of faith in the Lord, who He is and what His purposes are.

Will read the link when I have time. Thanks.

 

[rvmb]

Works are an indication of faith in the Lord, who He is and what His purposes are.

Will read the link when I have time. Thanks.

Though NOT a requirement of the Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel, works will be subject to rewards/loss at the 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 Judgement Seat of Christ for the Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 believers today, once this age ends salvation will requires faith AND works, eg Matt 25:37-40, refuse to take MOB & more, all STUFF for the age that comes after 1 Cor 15:51-52, 1 Thess 4:14-16

 

[Taken]

""I believe “the Worthy”,""
Yet we ALL continue to sin in some way in either thought, desire, word, deed.

You do?

You claim to be Saved, YET “continue to doubt and not Believe in the Lord God Almighty”?

I don’t.

I believe a “MANS” SIN IS, a “MANS” doubt / unbelief IN the Lord God Almighty.

I believe SIN IS … a “MANS” unbelief “AGAINST” the Lord God Almighty…and “ONLY” the Lord God Almighty “Forgives SIN”.

I do NOT believe SIN is a MAN “AGAINST” MAN.

I do NOT MEN have the POWER to “forgive” MEN of SIN.

I do BELIEVE MEN, trespass AGAINST men.

I do BELIEVE MEN, Have the teaching AND Power to Forgive MEN of Trespasses MEN Have Committed AGAINST Them.

Your question continued, next post

 

[rvmb]

You do?

You claim to be Saved, YET “continue to doubt and not Believe in the Lord God Almighty”?

I don’t.

I believe a “MANS” SIN IS, a “MANS” doubt / unbelief IN the Lord God Almighty.

I believe SIN IS … a “MANS” unbelief “AGAINST” the Lord God Almighty…and “ONLY” the Lord God Almighty “Forgives SIN”.

I do NOT believe SIN is a MAN “AGAINST” MAN.

I do NOT MEN have the POWER to “forgive” MEN of SIN.

I do BELIEVE MEN, trespass AGAINST men.

I do BELIEVE MEN, Have the teaching AND Power to Forgive MEN of Trespasses MEN Have Committed AGAINST Them.

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Do you claim you no longer sin ??
Want to try a simple test to confirm that ? :)

 

[Taken]

""Can “sin no more”. 1 John 3:9""

KJV Gal 2:7-9 John confirms that HIS Gospel teaching role is to the circ, Paul teaches salvation to you & I.
Verses please where Paul teaches that you & I will sin no more ?

After Sauls Spiritual encounter…
I believe Paul’s teachings centered moreso TO Gentiles, (JEWS and kings) on “how to” begin, establish, a forever one on one lasting relationship with the Lord God.

I believe John (died After Paul) and John continued to share Spiritual knowledge given him… beneficial to ANY believer, or non-believer…(Jew or Gentile).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Do you claim you no longer sin ??

Scripture Claims THAT ^ applies TO they who ARE quickened (ie, born Again of Gods SEED).

I have Followed the Lords protocol, To have Received the SEED of God, thus, Do believe The Scripture, 1 John 3:9 DOES apply to me.

Want to try a simple test to confirm that ? :)

Sure.

 

[rvmb]

After Sauls Spiritual encounter…
I believe Paul’s teachings centered moreso TO Gentiles, (JEWS and kings) on “how to” begin, establish, a forever one on one lasting relationship with the Lord God.

I believe John (died After Paul) and John continued to share Spiritual knowledge given him… beneficial to ANY believer, or non-believer…(Jew or Gentile).

Glory to God,
Taken

Gal 2:7-9 ALL early Bibles KJV & before write who taught what to who.
Paul etc - UNcirc Gospel to the UNcirc (heathen/gentiles)
Peter etc circ Gospel to the circ.
""John continued to share Spiritual knowledge given him""
ABSOLUTELY, the Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel.
Acts 15:11-12, the 12 realized & taught that now the circ(WE) are saved as now (THEY) UNcirc are, where PRIOR to Paul the UNcirc were saved differently.

 

[rvmb]

Scripture Claims THAT ^ applies TO they who ARE quickened (ie, born Again of Gods SEED).

I have Followed the Lords protocol, To have Received the SEED of God, thus, Do believe The Scripture, 1 John 3:9 DOES apply to me.



Sure.

If you learned/suspected a person you loved was homeless would you house them in your own home even a pull out bed in the lounge until they were back on their feet ?

 

[Charlie24]

Since Gal 3:28, Col 3:11, 1 Cor 12:13 are teachings of Paul they obviously applied AFTER Acts 9:15 but when ?
In Gal 2:7-9 :-
Peter/12 taught the circ Gospel (Acts 2:38) to the circ
Paul taught the UNcirc Gospel (Eph1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4) to the rest
So obviously the following verses had not yet come into effect.
-----------------------------
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

If I'm understanding the OP correctly, Paul told us of the mystery of the Ages, how that it had been kept from the Jews, but now is revealed through him (Paul) and later to the rest of the apostles, "that the Gentiles have been granted eternal life."

The Jews believed only a Jew could be saved, there are examples of this in Scripture, one of them with Christ and the Gentile woman who came to Christ for the healing of her child.

Christ told here it's not proper to cast the food of the Children to the dogs. He referred to her as a dog. But when she humbled herself before Christ and said, even the dogs desire the crumbs that fall from the Master's table, Christ honored here request and healed her child.

God has always honored the faith of the Gentiles throughout the OT, there are Gentiles in the lineage of Christ.

The point is that Christ came to die for the sins of the whole world, but first and foremost the Chosen people of God (Israel) must accept Him to fulfill their calling of God to present Christ as the Savior of the world to the Gentiles. That was the plan.

Of course God knew Israel would fail in this calling and reject their own Messiah. Once this happened God called Saul of Tarsus to be the apostle to the Gentiles to fulfill the calling of presenting Christ to the world through the Gentiles. And so the Gentile church was built by the "master Church builder" the great apostle Paul.

But Paul tells us God is not finished with Israel, He has not changed His mind on the calling of Israel and they will yet fulfill that calling.

 

[rvmb]

If I'm understanding the OP correctly, Paul told us of the mystery of the Ages, how that it had been kept from the Jews, but now is revealed through him (Paul) and later to the rest of the apostles, "that the Gentiles have been granted eternal life."

The Jews believed only a Jew could be saved, there are examples of this in Scripture, one of them with Christ and the Gentile woman who came to Christ for the healing of her child.

Christ told here it's not proper to cast the food of the Children to the dogs. He referred to her as a dog. But when she humbled herself before Christ and said, even the dogs desire the crumbs that fall from the Master's table, Christ honored here request and healed her child.

God has always honored the faith of the Gentiles throughout the OT, there are Gentiles in the lineage of Christ.

The point is that Christ came to die for the sins of the whole world, but first and foremost the Chosen people of God (Israel) must accept Him to fulfill their calling of God to present Christ as the Savior of the world to the Gentiles. That was the plan.

Of course God knew Israel would fail in this calling and reject their own Messiah. Once this happened God called Saul of Tarsus to be the apostle to the Gentiles to fulfill the calling of presenting Christ to the world through the Gentiles. And so the Gentile church was built by the "master Church builder" the great apostle Paul.

But Paul tells us God is not finished with Israel, He has not changed His mind on the calling of Israel and they will yet fulfill that calling.

Hi Charlie & thanks for your response .
I hope this helps :)

Paul's "Mystery" - doctrine.org

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[Charlie24]

Hi Charlie & thanks for your response .
I hope this helps :)

Paul's "Mystery" - doctrine.org

Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the secrets of God (1 Corinthians 4.1). Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of…

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Here is the mystery I was referring to.

Eph. 3:1-8

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

 

[rvmb]

Here is the mystery I was referring to.

Eph. 3:1-8

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Yes, that is part of the teaching in the link I gave you :)

 

[Taken]

Gal 2:7-9 ALL early Bibles KJV & before write who taught what to who.
Paul etc - UNcirc Gospel to the UNcirc (heathen/gentiles)
Peter etc circ Gospel to the circ.
""John continued to share Spiritual knowledge given him""
ABSOLUTELY, the Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel.
Acts 15:11-12, the 12 realized & taught that now the circ(WE) are saved as now (THEY) UNcirc are, where PRIOR to Paul the UNcirc were saved differently.

Gods saves whom He will.
Jesus Saves whom God gave Him.

Gods Salvation is always given AFTER A mans Mortal Death.
Jesus’ Salvation is Always given Before A mans Mortal Death.

God gathers unto Him, they Whom He has Saved.
( First Resurrection)
Jesus gathers unto Him, they Whom He has Saved.
(Rapture)

The Sav-ED ARE Saved… human dividing “Labels”, ( Israelite, Greek, Jew, Gentile, male, female, age, black, brown, white, Foreskin circumcision, etc. become “Spiritually Irrelevant”.

It is the Heart Circumcision, performed by Gods Works of Salvation, and The Lords Works of Salvation that matters.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, that is part of the teaching in the link I gave you :)

Sorry, I didn't open it, but I should have.

 

[rvmb]

Gods saves whom He will.
Jesus Saves whom God gave Him.

Gods Salvation is always given AFTER A mans Mortal Death.
Jesus’ Salvation is Always given Before A mans Mortal Death.

God gathers unto Him, they Whom He has Saved.
( First Resurrection)
Jesus gathers unto Him, they Whom He has Saved.
(Rapture)

The Sav-ED ARE Saved… human dividing “Labels”, ( Israelite, Greek, Jew, Gentile, male, female, age, black, brown, white, Foreskin circumcision, etc. become “Spiritually Irrelevant”.

It is the Heart Circumcision, performed by Gods Works of Salvation, and The Lords Works of Salvation that matters.


Glory to God,
Taken

""Gods saves whom He will.""
1 Tim 2:4 ..Who will have all men to be saved
2 Pet 3:9.. but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
Not wanting ANYONE to perish GOD purposely allows their conception for the sole purpose of sending them to hell ?
The better explanation is predestination based on foreknowledge.
My only question is why would GOD, knowing that person will reject the Gospel still allow them to be conceived ?