Go and Sin no more...is this possible?

[shepherdsword]

Questioning scripture, are we?

I believe what the Bible says.

“…he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.” (Dan 6:4, KJV)

Da 6:4 Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
This isn't teaching that Daniel was sinless. Hey, perhaps he was, but you can't get that from this verse because it refers to the kingdom.

However, there are a few more harder to deal with

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Lk 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

 

[Behold]

@Taken wrote....,""""We are temporarily “IN Christ.""""

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Being in Christ is to have become a New Creation.
The born again are always "in Christ", and Christ is always in us.



@Taken wrote.. """" A converted man Lives IN Jesus’ risen Body… aks IN Christ…""""""

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Actually Its a Spiritual Birth.......so, we are in Spiritual union with Christ, and with God.





@Taken wrote """"" Forever “WITH” Christ."""""

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We are forever with Christ because we are born again SPIRITUALLY.
This means we are in Spiritual Union with God and Christ.






@Taken wrote. """"No. A man IN Christ IS not Sinless.""""""

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The Cross of Christ forgives all sin......so, this is to become SINLESS.
The reason a Christian is SINLESs, is because ""Jesus is the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for Sin".

Because = "God hath Made Jesus to be sin...for Us".

See, if you have your sin, then Jesus has not died for your sin on The Cross .......which meansyou're not forgiven, and your Not a Christian.

 

[marks]

I agree the back and forth, that has numerous descriptions it is “called”, that I believe … is Trespassing… and that which individuals can forgive.

Certainly men do claim “other men sin about this or that and even claim others have sinned against theme and want to be asked for them to “forgive them sin against them”.

I do not believe I can sin against men, nor that I can forgive sin..
Nor that men can sin against me, or forgive sin.

I believe only God Forgives sin…and that mans Sin against God is unbelief.
I fine zero text instructing me to Believe in men…or that it is a Sin for me not to believe in men.

Men can not forever be with God, if they have Sin (unbelief) against God.

Men can forever be with God, if they have unforgiven Trespasses against men.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think it still remains that we might offend one another, and that should we do so, we need to be reconciled to each other. Offering an apology, accepting an apology, these are often needful in the reconciliation process.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If he was found faithful and beloved concerning the kingdom on earth, how more regarding heavenly things?

Why not let Daniel’s good scriptural witness stand?

Must you guys project your sinning ways on everybody?

Hey, don't accuse me falsely of attacking Daniel's testimony, here is what the Lord said concerning Daniel,

Ezekiel 14:13-20 LITV
13) Son of man, when a land sins against Me, baring a faithless act, then I will stretch out My hand on it, and I will shatter the staff of bread to it, and I will send famine on it. And I will cut off from it man and beast.
14) And though these three men were in its midst, Noah, Daniel, and Job, by their righteousness they should deliver only their souls, declares the Lord Jehovah.
15) If I make evil beasts go through the land, and they bereave it, and it is desolate, so that no one would go through because of the beasts,
16) though these three men were in its midst, as I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters; they would only deliver themselves, but the land would be desolate.
17) Or if I bring a sword on that land and say, Let a sword go through the land, and I will cut off man and beast from it;
18) even though these three men were in its midst, as I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, they should not deliver sons or daughters, but they only would deliver themselves.
19) Or if I send a plague into the land and pour out My fury on it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast;
20) though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst, as I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, they would deliver neither son nor daughter; they by their righteousness would deliver only their souls.

But you sure seem to be allergic to any kind of reasonable interpretation of Scripture, even ignoring the immediate context because you like your own words better.

I'm not saying a word against Daniel. I'm speaking against faulty interpretation of Scriptures. In the last case, because you insist on ignoring the grammar. In this case because you've chosen to ignore the context.

And now you point your finger at me as though I've said something I most certainly have not. That renders you to be a slanderer. And that's a problem!

Much love!

 

[Taken]

“At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved...” (Dan 9:23, KJV)

Daniel was greatly beloved.

If he was found faithful and beloved concerning the kingdom on earth, how more regarding heavenly things?

Why not let Daniel’s good scriptural witness stand?

Must you guys project your sinning ways on everybody?

Since you imply Daniel had no sin…

…enlighten us…
Quote the Scripture that Daniel was not born in sin, had no sin.

 

[Muna]

There are two contexts which they sought occasion against Daniel

Dan.6​

1. [4] Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
2. [5] Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.

 

[marks]

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

When we're speaking of Job, and Daniel, let's add Noah . . .

Ezekiel 14:13-14 LITV
13) Son of man, when a land sins against Me, baring a faithless act, then I will stretch out My hand on it, and I will shatter the staff of bread to it, and I will send famine on it. And I will cut off from it man and beast.
14) And though these three men were in its midst, Noah, Daniel, and Job, by their righteousness they should deliver only their souls, declares the Lord Jehovah.

Much love!

 

[Muna]

It does say this

Ezek 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

While it still says this

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I (Daniel) was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Since you imply Daniel had no sin…

Boy, you really have it out for Daniel, don’t you?

 

[Muna]

When we're speaking of Job, and Daniel, let's add Noah . . .

Ezekiel 14:13-14 LITV
13) Son of man, when a land sins against Me, baring a faithless act, then I will stretch out My hand on it, and I will shatter the staff of bread to it, and I will send famine on it. And I will cut off from it man and beast.
14) And though these three men were in its midst, Noah, Daniel, and Job, by their righteousness they should deliver only their souls, declares the Lord Jehovah.

Much love!

That was sort of funny in timing

 

[marks]

It does say this

Ezek 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

While it still says this

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I (Daniel) was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

From his own lips, then. Thank you for posting this!

Much love!

 

[Muna]

David is also known to have had a perfect heart toward God, and he also sinned. But I always recall how people used to go on and on about how he was this horrible sinner in so many ways, its as if he lived in sin and in rebellion against the commandments of God on a daily basis.

When God says here

1Kgs.15​

1. [5] Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

In that matter were two things wrapped up into it though, the killing of Uriah (although not by the hand of David but with intent by the sword of the children of Ammon after coveting (and taking) that same man's wife

 

[shepherdsword]

What about this verse?

Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Does this mean there is perhaps a sinless remnant God has preserved akin to those who did not bow to Baal in the days of Elijah? Or could it be infants, small children and mentally challenged people that died even though God did not charge them with sin?

 

[Muna]

I dont know who is trying to prove what, whether for or against. I had jumped in without reading the back and forths, sorry, that was my bad.

 

[marks]

What about this verse?

Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Does this mean there is perhaps a sinless remnant God has preserved akin to those who did not bow to Baal in the days of Elijah? Or could it be infants, small children and mentally challenged people that died even though God did not charge them with sin?

Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

God had only given one command, to not eat from that tree. After God expelled man from the garden, no one could get to that tree, therefore no one could break that one command.

Even so, men died, having sinned, because sin kills. But here we're told God doesn't impute sin to them.

I consider whether this speaks concerning those spirits in prison to whom Jesus preached. Being forgiven of sin, or in the case of these, not having sin imputed, won't allow us into the Kingdom. You must be born again. No dead men in heaven!

Much love!

 

[Taken]

“At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved...” (Dan 9:23, KJV)

Daniel was greatly beloved.

If he was found faithful and beloved concerning the kingdom on earth, how more regarding heavenly things?

The Scripture you quoted, and your comment implied… Daniel was Always faithful.. which I do not Agree.

Did God discover find Daniel to be Faithful? And Did Presidents and Princes discover and find Daniel faithful to God…yes.
Who took that standing away from Daniel?
No one.

Who accused me of sinning ways and taking Daniels Faithful standing with God away?
You did.

Why not let Daniel’s good scriptural witness stand?

Who kept Daniels good witnessing from standing?

No one.

Must you guys project your sinning ways on everybody?

Do you have a problem with the Whole Truth?

Daniel was born a sinner, became wise, righteous, and Was a great servant of God.

Does Saul/Paul’s History of Christ Jesus also bug you, you think knowing his History of AntiChrist and then his Great Service to the Lord.. discussed, acknowledged… is Projecting sin upon him, and diminishing his great works?

Get a grip.

 

[marks]

I dont know who is trying to prove what, whether for or against. I had jumped in without reading the back and forths, sorry, that was my bad.

My interest is in building up both yours and my faith, that we can more consistenly walk in the Spirit, fulfilling God's intent for our lives. Examining the Scriptures on this topic is an excellent platform to accomplish this.

We shouldn't have false expectations of ourselves, but neither should we sell ourselves short. God really does make this available, but it's also true that we live in flesh corrupted by sin, and that works against us, and we continue to mature into a greater self control, as we likewise learn how it is we may walk in the Spirit.

Much love!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you have a problem with the Whole Truth?

Bizzare.

Have you read the last few pages?

I have been defending the whole truth.

The whole truth of the Bible clearly exposes once saved always saved as a lie.

 

[Muna]

My interest is in building up both yours and my faith, that we can more consistenly walk in the Spirit, fulfilling God's intent for our lives. Examining the Scriptures on this topic is an excellent platform to accomplish this.

We shouldn't have false expectations of ourselves, but neither should we sell ourselves short. God really does make this available, but it's also true that we live in flesh corrupted by sin, and that works against us, and we continue to mature into a greater self control, as we likewise learn how it is we may walk in the Spirit.

Much love!

I do believe we have all sinned and come to the Lord Jesus Christ as sinners, that is who he died for, and that we grow stronger through the Spirit and by his grace come under control of the same. Sin shall not have dominion over us under the grace of God which teaches us and empowers us to walk righteously in this present world.

 

[Behold]

How does a sinner become "made righteous"?

A.) "Imputed righteousness".

"Faith, is COUNTED...( By God, on your behalf) as (Christ's) Righteousness".

What is that?

That is "Justificaton by faith".

How is this explained by The Cross?

The Cross is a Divine Exchange.....whereby Jesus becomes our sin.......as we become His righteousness..

That is "Imputed righteousness"......that is "THe GIFT of Righteousness".