God’s reasons for hiding spiritual truths in the Bible

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John Zain

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This may just be the GrandDaddy of all controversial threads
… there’s something here for everyone to really complain about.

God has provided for us in the Bible what He wants us to know.
But, He has camoflaged some major spiritual truths that upset many people.
So God had good reasons for “somewhat hiding” these controversial verses.
IMO, God thinks it is much wiser to have people maintain a positive upbeat attitude
so they will not lose their hope of heaven, and also try to be better citizens of the world!


These “somewhat hidden” spiritual truths have at least several supporting verses,
but in 5 of the 6 cases below, God has provided alternative verses to counteract them.
These alternative verses are not lies, but they are phrased so ingeniously
that most people can just easily take them the wrong way.


The statements in black are “somewhat hidden” truths in the Bible.
Below them are my view of God’s reasons for hiding them.

1) Every human is born with an inherited sin nature (from Adam& Eve)
----Removes a major excuse for people to sin more, and gives a guilty conscience.

2) The one true God has been revealed as being 3 Persons or Manifestations
----Removes a major obstacle for the non-believer to accept Christianity.
----E.G. saying God had a Son makes Muslims think Christians are crazy!

3) Initially, everyone is totally unable spiritually to believe in Jesus and His gospel
----Only by God’s grace, and by His free gift of faith, are people enabled to believe
----Removes a major obstacle for the non-believer to accept Christianity.
----Provides a better atmosphere for believing (and not criticizing) Christianity.

4) The process of sanctification (after being born-again) is a life-long struggle
----Removes a major obstacle for the non-believer to accept Christianity,
----and removes a possible obstacle for the new believer to continue in the faith.

5) The baptism with the Holy Spirit (an anointing) has nothing to do with being born-again
----Removes the discouragment of born-again believers not having this baptism.

6) Eternal life is really knowing the Father and the Son, and being led by the Holy Spirit
----Removes what can be offensive to lukewarm and less-spiritual believers.
----Provides a better atmosphere for believing (and not criticizing) Christianity.

If anyone can think of other cases, I’d like to hear about them and add them to the list. Thanks.
 

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John Zain said:
These “somewhat hidden” spiritual truths have at least several supporting verses,
but in 5 of the 6 cases below, God has provided alternative verses to counteract them.
These alternative verses are not lies, but they are phrased so ingeniously
that most people can just easily take them the wrong way.
John these verses are so well hidden I can't even see them,
Can you ask God to turn off the cloaking device so everyone can see them as well as you, please
 

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2Co_4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Well, that makes sense!! This certainly doesn't sound correct. "If our gospel is hid, it is hid to them that are saved"

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, (do you see a spiritual battle here for the souls of men?) lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The Lord God has not blinded them, the "god of this world", has.
Jn_5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

The only understanding needed here is what repenting means and forgiveness means.
Act_8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
 

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maybe someday John will actually post a verse :)

I asked him I believe 4 times in another thread and haven't seen one yet.
 

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Rex said:
John these verses are so well hidden I can't even see them,
Can you ask God to turn off the cloaking device so everyone can see them as well as you, please
Okay, Rex, exactly which ones would you like to see?
 

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evangelist-7 said:
Okay, Rex, exactly which ones would you like to see?
You have been improving John, now your giving a verse reference but you exclude the full content to bolster your belief.
I have left comments to that effect in both of your recent threads.

Evangelist 7 LOL
It would seem to me from your most recent topics and the clipped sections of verses you and only you know what your talking about above.
 

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The truth is "hidden" behind the words. Just like the eternal things are hidden behind the temporal things. There is a spiritual plane of reality juxtaposed with what we see with our eyes. But only by faith can we walk in this reality. We intuit what cannot be seen...we grasp the truth by faith. True faith actually SEES the eternal reality. The eye is already deceived into concentrating on what is plainly visible to the material eye.
 

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IMO I don’t think God hides anything from his people. Over the years I have found most people follow the teaching of a religion, rather than the bible. Here is an example of what I am saying:
All the trees in the bible are symbolic. For some reason unknown to me, religions teach the two trees in the garden are not symbolic?
 

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domenic said:
IMO I don’t think God hides anything from his people. Over the years I have found most people follow the teaching of a religion, rather than the bible. Here is an example of what I am saying:
All the trees in the bible are symbolic. For some reason unknown to me, religions teach the two trees in the garden are not symbolic?
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
 

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1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 

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Axehead said:
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
I’m sorry, I don’t understand your post. How do the scriptures you posted, answer the question?
 

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domenic said:
IMO I don’t think God hides anything from his people. Over the years I have found most people follow the teaching of a religion, rather than the bible. Here is an example of what I am saying:
All the trees in the bible are symbolic. For some reason unknown to me, religions teach the two trees in the garden are not symbolic?
You are right. But that's man's religion doing that like you pointed out. Many of the Mysteries of God's Kingdom are concealed to those who play religion instead, and it's the believer's fault for heeding those men. That is one way God uses to know who to reveal His Mysteries of the Kingdom to, separating much of His Truth from those who play religion vs. those sincere about His Truth.
 

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God does have some secrets, but he has no mysteries. Most religions teach man made doctrines from scripture…false doctrines.
Here is an example of mans teaching: Hell Fire. Man teaches those who fall out of favor with God will go to a Hell of Fire. This is taken from the Lake of Fire in Rev 20: 14,15. This scripture is explaining the second death, a complete end to life. All who die are asleep in the grave. Those in favor with God, will be brought back to life under the rule of Jesus for one thousand years, after which time Satan will be let lose, and man in a perfect condition will be given a final test. Those who fail, will die with Satan forever. Those who are given life, will care for the Earth.
 

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domenic said:
God does have some secrets, but he has no mysteries. Most religions teach man made doctrines from scripture…false doctrines.
Here is an example of mans teaching: Hell Fire. Man teaches those who fall out of favor with God will go to a Hell of Fire. This is taken from the Lake of Fire in Rev 20: 14,15. This scripture is explaining the second death, a complete end to life. All who die are asleep in the grave. Those in favor with God, will be brought back to life under the rule of Jesus for one thousand years, after which time Satan will be let lose, and man in a perfect condition will be given a final test. Those who fail, will die with Satan forever. Those who are given life, will care for the Earth.
Well, you're completely... wrong about that first part. There are many things written in God's Word that the majority do not understand, and will not understand, unless God shows them by their asking Him and getting down to real Bible study by The Holy Spirit. Even when today's secular world reads The Bible they get even simple Scriptures twisted around backwards! And that's exactly what quite of few so-called preachers in the pulpits are doing, they cannot understand much of God's Word properly because it is not... given to them. That's why many of them HAVE to default to men's doctrines. I'll bet you don't know this happenning today was prophecy given by God long ago for the end of this world (Amos 8:9-13).

Might want to read what Christ Jesus said to His Apostles in Matthew 13 that it was given for them to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom, but for others, it is NOT given.
 

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veteran said:
Well, you're completely... wrong about that first part. There are many things written in God's Word that the majority do not understand, and will not understand, unless God shows them by their asking Him and getting down to real Bible study by The Holy Spirit. Even when today's secular world reads The Bible they get even simple Scriptures twisted around backwards! And that's exactly what quite of few so-called preachers in the pulpits are doing, they cannot understand much of God's Word properly because it is not... given to them. That's why many of them HAVE to default to men's doctrines. I'll bet you don't know this happenning today was prophecy given by God long ago for the end of this world (Amos 8:9-13).

Might want to read what Christ Jesus said to His Apostles in Matthew 13 that it was given for them to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom, but for others, it is NOT given

"God does have some secrets, but he has no mysteries." You think that is wrong? He has no mysteries. He does have secrets. Only God knows the date of the End of This System. You don't think that is a secret? Even Jesus says he does not know it.
 

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IMO I don’t think God hides anything from his people. Over the years I have found most people follow the teaching of a religion, rather than the bible. Here is an example of what I am saying:

It is all there for us, "in Christ", but so many know religion so many know the bible but so few go to Christ.l

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

God has so much to show us, but so few are willing to go to Him to search out those things. Enoch did, he is even mentioned in teh bible, but the religous rejected his writings, yet you think you have it all. The wisdom and knowledge of God is more vast than the entire universe, teh bible is smaller than a pinhead compared to Him,

In all His Love
 

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domenic said:

"God does have some secrets, but he has no mysteries." You think that is wrong? He has no mysteries. He does have secrets. Only God knows the date of the End of This System. You don't think that is a secret? Even Jesus says he does not know it.
Christ declared in Matt.13:10-13 to His Apostles that it was given for them to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. So there most definitely ARE Mysteries that belong to our LORD. That's what His parables were about.

As for the day of Christ's return that is not a parable. It's a declaration by God Himself and His Son. Time is short, Bible study is very important.