Good In Bad People?

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Good In Bad People?

Are all sinners really “bad” people who can do no “good” towards the Lord, because of their “depraved natures”? Are we to understand passages like Psalm 14:1, “There is no one who does good” (Romans 3:12), literally true of every single human being? In this same Psalm, verse 3 says, “All have turned away; all alike have become corrupt. There is no one who does good, not even one”, this cannot mean “every single human being”, as when this was written, many followed the Lord. In Genesis 6:5, 7, we read, “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them”; yet this did not include “every single human being”, because verse 8 says, “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD”.

This is not completely correct, as we will see from the accounts of the King Jeroboam.

In the Book of 1 Kings, we read of the wicked King Jeroboam:

“So the king consulted, and made two golden calves, and he said to them, ‘It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem; behold your gods, O Israel, that brought you up from the land of Egypt.’ He set one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan. Now this thing became a sin, for the people went to worship before the one as far as Dan. And he made houses on high places, and made priests from among all the people who were not of the sons of Levi,” (12:28-31)

And, in 2 Kings:

“When He had torn Israel from the house of David, they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel away from following the Lord and made them commit a great sin. The sons of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they did not depart from them until the Lord removed Israel from His sight, as He spoke through all His servants the prophets. So Israel was carried away into exile from their own land to Assyria until this day,” (17:21-23)

And, in 2 Chronicles 11:15, we read:

“He set up priests of his own for the high places, for the satyrs and for the calves which he had made,”

In 2 Kings 14:24, we are told of Jeroboam;

“And he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord: he departed not from all the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin”

In 1 Kings 14, we read:

“7 Go, tell Jeroboam, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: “Because I exalted you from among the people and made you leader over my people Israel 8 and tore the kingdom away from the house of David and gave it to you, and yet you have not been like my servant David, who kept my commandments and followed me with all his heart, doing only that which was right in my eyes, 9 but you have done evil above all who were before you and have gone and made for yourself other gods and metal images, provoking me to anger, and have cast me behind your back, 10 therefore behold, I will bring harm upon the house of Jeroboam and will cut off from Jeroboam every male, both bond and free in Israel, and will burn up the house of Jeroboam, as a man burns up dung until it is all gone. 11 Anyone belonging to Jeroboam who dies in the city the dogs shall eat, and anyone who dies in the open country the birds of the heavens shall eat, for the Lord has spoken it.”’ 12 Arise therefore, go to your house. When your feet enter the city, the child shall die. 13 And all Israel shall mourn for him and bury him, for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found something pleasing to the Lord, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam. 14 Moreover, the Lord will raise up for himself a king over Israel who shall cut off the house of Jeroboam today. And henceforth, 15 the Lord will strike Israel as a reed is shaken in the water, and root up Israel out of this good land that he gave to their fathers and scatter them beyond the Euphrates, because they have made their Asherim, provoking the Lord to anger. 16 And he will give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, which he sinned and made Israel to sin.”

What is very interesting in this passage of doom, is what God says in verse 13:

“And all Israel shall mourn for him and bury him, for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found something pleasing to the Lord, the God of Israel, in the house of Jeroboam”

In all of Jeroboam’ many evil sins, “there is found something pleasing to the Lord”. The KJV reads, “some good thing”.

There are some who teach, that fallen humans are not capable of “doing any good”, and some go as far as saying, that they are “haters of God”. There is no evidence in the accounts that we read of King Jeroboam, to say that he “loved the Lord”, in fact, he made sure that he caused God’s people, Israel, to rebel and sin against the Lord, to “provoke Him to anger”. Yet, also in this wicked and evil, godless person, there was, “something pleasing to the Lord”.

In fact, Acts 10:34-35 clearly says;

“Then Peter began to speak: "In truth, I understand that God doesn't show favoritism, but in every nation the person who fears Him and does righteousness is acceptable to Him

It is clear, that there are people who “fear” (phobeō, also used for “to stand in awe of”, “to have great respect for”, “reverence”) the Lord, even though they might not be “believers” and “follow” Him; who can “do righteousness” which is “acceptable” to the Lord.

“He that feareth him - This is put for piety toward God in general” (Barnes)

Can this include even the Roman Catholic nuns and monks? Who might not be “born again believers”, but do things that are “pleasing to the Lord”? They are not “haters” of God. However, their “good works” and “life-style”, cannot “merit” them salvation, as we are not Justified by our “works”.
 
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John 3:16-18 is very clear, that God GREATLY LOVES the entire human race, desiring that every single sinner would repent of their sins, and believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord. There are not exceptions to this in God's plan, and it is an affront to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Christ Himself, for anyone to place an "limit" on the extent of the Death of Jesus Christ. The universal Death of Jesus Christ for all sinners, does not mean, "Universal Salvation", as each sinner must conform to the Just Demands of God, for their salvation.
 

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Good In Bad People?

Yes, when Paul quotes a passage where people people are universally described as "wicked," then in context it is talking about the general condition of the particular place and time. For example, Russia may have done well for a time in its history. But during certain times of particular moral corruption, it could be said of Russia, "Everyone is evil in Russia." This isn't saying that absolutely everyone is evil, but it is a generalization, indicating that *most everyone* is being influenced to follow an evil example or at least to accept it.

I'm sure there are many people who are both good and bad, even being non-Christians. People are capable of both, and being infected with sin must do both. They were created to do good, and can still do good, but they can't do good without doing some sinning, as well.

Salvation, however, is not about just doing good in the midst of this sinning. It is the express choice to follow a path that prefers the good and condemns the evil, even though we still all sin. In accepting Christ, we show that we accept him as the good, and our own independence from him as the sin. And in embracing Christ we become capable of living in victory over sin, allowing the goodness of Christ to prevail in our lives over a life of sinning.

Those who don't know Christ, or have had trouble accepting that witness in an age of deception and misrepresentation, will not necessarily "go to Hell." They, as all others, will be judged by their heart, as to what they actually believed from within.

If their standard wished for Christ, even though they didn't know him, they will still have the basis of redemption which even Christians have had in this life. All we need is the wish to be liberated from evil. If we don't really know how to do that, I don't believe God will judge us as such. We will only be judged by what we know and wish for.

So to me it isn't all about just "not going to Hell." More, it's about living a victorious life now, to show before heaven and the angels what a righteous life for mankind really is. This provides a testimony to others, many of whom will "get it," and turn their sinful lives into something clearly redeemable by God.

We don't want to see people just get "eternal life" by "wishing for it." Rather, we want to see them enjoy it now, so that others will enjoy it now. Salvation isn't just about "getting to heaven." More, it is about glorifying God where we are now, so that His righteousness will shine in this present evil age, demonstrating God's power to redeem mankind.