Hermeneutics 101 - Truth, Do we have it?

[Rocky Wiley]

Truth, is it important?

How does Jesus explain Truth?

Truth, Jesus is equal to God!
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Truth, Jesus is the Judge!
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Truth, we must honour the Son, even as we do the Father!
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Truth, we must hear him and believe on him to have eternal life!
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Truth, Jesus told them, the Jews, that the hour had come that the dead (the spiritually dead) would hear him, but to hear him would mean believing him!
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Truth, the hour was coming (soon to those he was speaking to) in which those that were buried in the graves should hear.
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Truth, the resurrection and judgement would come (upon them) in a few hours, not thousands of years.
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Truth, there is a witness to the above.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Joh 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
Joh 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Joh 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

Truth, Jesus has a greater witness than John!
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

Truth, the Jews that Jesus was talking to had never heard the voice because they did not hear scripture!
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Truth, because they did not know scripture, they would not have eternal life!
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

Truth, Jesus knew them, and knew they did not love God!
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Truth, Jesus is not the accuser, he is the Judge.
Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Truth, they would have been able to believe Jesus had they known the scripture!
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Truth, there are many today that only believe what someone else has told them! Do we understand the word of God well enough to know if one is speaking truth? The religious Jews of Jesus' time did not understand scripture. Don't just assume that all of today's religious leaders truly hear and understand scripture either.

Truth, we need to study God's word that we might know and hear Jesus for ourselves!

Truth, it is important!

 

[brrrilliantsteve]

Amen! I like how clearly you have made all these points from John 5

Truth, is it important?

Truth, the hour was coming (soon to those he was speaking to) in which those that were buried in the graves should hear.
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Truth, the resurrection and judgement would come (upon them) in a few hours, not thousands of years.
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

These 2 points are kind of confusing to me. I always understood John 5:28,29 to refer to Jesus second coming, and to be in line with Matthew 16:27 & Revelation 22:12.

Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

I did have the though that you might be referring to the bodies of the saints that were raised after Jesus death, but then none of them would have gone to the resurrection of damnation. Hmm?

Please, would you mind shedding a little more light on these 2 points?

Thanks, Steve.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Amen! I like how clearly you have made all these points from John 5


These 2 points are kind of confusing to me. I always understood John 5:28,29 to refer to Jesus second coming, and to be in line with Matthew 16:27 & Revelation 22:12.

Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

I did have the though that you might be referring to the bodies of the saints that were raised after Jesus death, but then none of them would have gone to the resurrection of damnation. Hmm?

Please, would you mind shedding a little more light on these 2 points?

Thanks, Steve.

Hi Steve,

I will try to explain the points you asked. But what might sound simple, took me months to understand fully.

1. Read the Bible as if it was written to and about the people that it either points out or it is addressed to. Actually that is exactly what it does. For example the book of Romans was written to the churches of Rome, Corinthians to the churches of Corinth, etc. Sounds too simple doesn't it? In the case of the Gospels, it will always point out to whom Jesus is speaking.

2. Read the scripture for what it says. If it is symbolic, then use other scriptures to explain.

Now, John 5:28,29
Who is the audience?
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Jews are the audience, so the response of Jesus is to them.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
To those who gathered, the time is now! The dead are those Jews, just as Adam was died spiritually, so is his audience dead. So they were hearing and those that would believe would live forever.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jesus already had life in him because he was sinless, just as the Father.
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Again he says the hour is coming, this time it would mean shortly. those in the graves would hear.
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This is judgement day, just as the Old Testament had promised the Jews (not Christians). It all happened in the spiritual for God's kingdom is a heavenly one, not earthly.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Abraham looked forward to a better place, that is an heavenly place.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Jesus states that his kingdom is an heavenly kingdom.

Next for Mat 16:27
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Jesus is speaking to his disciples.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
This is also concerning his coming in judgement. Same as Joh 5:29

Rev 22:12
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

John writes what Jesus gives him to write. It is addressed to the seven churches of Asia.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
We continue with the same coming, only this time Jesus says "I come quickly". That needs no interpretation, other than to say it means quickly to the seven churches of Asia. This was important to the church because at his coming the Old World of Law passes away and the New World of Faith is complete. You can read about this in Matthew 24.

Now when you read Matthew 24, read it as if Jesus was speaking in response to his disciples question "when shall these things be, the sign of thy coming and the end of the age?"

Allow me to recommend the web site of Berean Bible Church and their Pastor's bible studies, Written and audio. They are free and full of God's word.

 

[Axehead]

Satan is always trying to separate us from the Person of Christ and he will do it with religious concepts, "theology", works, etc. We must keep in mind that Truth is a Person, not religious or philosophical concepts. There is only one Person who is Truth, Jesus, and He wants to live in us today. "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free". If you have Jesus you have Truth and and as you look to Him He will continue to reveal Himself to you.

What more do we need than the revelation of who Jesus is?

Truth is a Person.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Satan is always trying to separate us from the Person of Christ and he will do it with religious concepts, "theology", works, etc. We must keep in mind that Truth is a Person, not religious or philosophical concepts. There is only one Person who is Truth, Jesus, and He wants to live in us today. "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free". If you have Jesus you have Truth and and as you look to Him He will continue to reveal Himself to you.

What more do we need than the revelation of who Jesus is?

Truth is a Person.

Axehead,

The devil is a liar, that is a fact.

I can't find the scripture for how the devil will separate us from God, but I know that he will lie. Sometimes the lie is because we don't know scripture.

Correct when you say "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free" but does one think that God is just going to pour it out or does the bible say:
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Who do you think would be ashamed when we stand before the Lord and he points out we did not hear him, the Christian or the lost?

Truth is not a person if you think so, give me a scripture.

 

[Axehead]

Axehead,

The devil is a liar, that is a fact.

I can't find the scripture for how the devil will separate us from God, but I know that he will lie. Sometimes the lie is because we don't know scripture.

Correct when you say "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free" but does one think that God is just going to pour it out or does the bible say:
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Who do you think would be ashamed when we stand before the Lord and he points out we did not hear him, the Christian or the lost?

Truth is not a person if you think so, give me a scripture.

Hi Rocky,

Don't get me wrong, I do like your thread.

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Hi Rocky,

Don't get me wrong, I do like your thread.

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

axehead,

You have indeed quoted scripture. But we should notice that the word truth is not capitalized so it is not used in place of God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

These scriptures, on the other hand, uses 'Word' as being God. This is why we need to know the Word.

We can play with scripture, but it is important to understand them. In my thread Jesus was telling the Jews that they did not know him because they did not hear (believe) the truth when that read it. The truth is that there is more to knowing Jesus than just the fact that we have accepted him.

You and I can not afford to say, "I know everything about God". We learn more every time we open our bible and study.

Axehead, I know you are able to understand the scripture that has been pointed out. But to do so, you will have to change the way you look at some scripture. The ability to do that is called a paradigm shift. It was not easy for me, it took several months of study to see scripture for what it actually says.

 

[Axehead]

Let's just go with what we know from the Spirit of God Jesus' statements with lowercase characters are not enough.

I say, Jesus Christ who is God, is the personification of truth. In short, He is Truth.

(I capitalized the "T" for you).

Truth is not a commodity, product or concept. It really is a Person. Truth emanates from Jesus Christ.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Let's just go with what we know from the Spirit of God Jesus' statements with lowercase characters are not enough.

I say, Jesus Christ who is God, is the personification of truth. In short, He is Truth.

(I capitalized the "T" for you).

Truth is not a commodity, product or concept. It really is a Person. Truth emanates from Jesus Christ.

Axehead,

You say?

I try to post what the bible says!

 

[Axehead]

Yeah, I tried that but you showed no concern for the content as you stumbled on the punctuation.

Not only does the word tell me that, but the Spirit does, too.

He leads me to the Truth. The Holy Spirit always points to Jesus.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Yeah, I tried that but you showed no concern for the content as you stumbled on the punctuation.

Axehead,

So now 'you' say that punctuation is not important in scripture unless it goes along with what 'you' say.

Have a good day!

 

[Axehead]

Axehead,

So now 'you' say that punctuation is not important in scripture unless it goes along with what 'you' say.

Have a good day!

I'm just taking note how you ignore the content and the preponderance of scripture.

Best to you, too.

 

[dragonfly]

Didn't Jesus say, 'I am the Truth'? I'm confused by the discussion about whether or not to capitalise truth. But could I change the subject slightly?


Rocky, you said, '(not Christians)' in the following couplet. First, why not Christians?

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is judgement day, just as the Old Testament had promised the Jews (not Christians). It all happened in the spiritual for God's kingdom is a heavenly one, not earthly.

And you put it in the past tense. Why?


Thanks in advance. :)

 

[Rex]

I like what Samuel Clemens, more commonly known as Mark Twain once said,
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

So I always remember the proverb 18:17
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.

Is it any wonder why there is truth in what what Samuel Clemens wrote?
The lie knows he will be heard and accepted so long as he presents his case "lie" first


I am happy to see that the truth has perhaps caught up with the lie

Axehead, I know you are able to understand the scripture that has been pointed out. But to do so, you will have to change the way you look at some scripture. The ability to do that is called a paradigm shift. It was not easy for me, it took several months of study to see scripture for what it actually says.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

I like what Samuel Clemens, more commonly known as Mark Twain once said,
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

So I always remember the proverb 18:17
The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.

Is it any wonder why there is truth in what what Samuel Clemens wrote?
The lie knows he will be heard and accepted so long as he presents his case "lie" first

Hi Rex,

Scripture does not lie.

 

[Rex]

Hi Rex,

Scripture does not lie.

I never implied it did, and in may rather awkward kind of way, I believe the truth is revealed and hidden as well, paradigm shift
your testimony

 

[Axehead]

Hi Rex,

Scripture does not lie.

I suppose by your grammatical logic that Jesus is not the "life" or the "way", either because unfortunately, in the Bible, the first letter of way and life are not capitalized. Jesus says He is the way, the life and the truth, but He must be mistaken. So, who or what is the way and who or what is the life?

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Didn't Jesus say, 'I am the Truth'? I'm confused by the discussion about whether or not to capitalise truth. But could I change the subject slightly?


Rocky, you said, '(not Christians)' in the following couplet. First, why not Christians?


And you put it in the past tense. Why?


Thanks in advance. :)

Hi dragonfly,

Here is the short version.

The Old Testament, as we call it, was written to the Jews. The Gospels was written about their Messiah coming to them to set up his kingdom. That was Jesus, but he would be rejected and for that reason, judgement was coming.

Jesus spoke of this in Matthew 24, when he told his disciples that the temple would be destroyed. They, being Jews, knew that would mean the end of the age for they asked "When shall these things be, the sign of thy coming and the end of the age?" Mat 24:3

In this thread:
Truth, Jesus told them, the Jewsthat the hour had come that the dead (the spiritually dead) would hear
him, but to hear him would mean believing him!

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Truth, the hour was coming (soon to those he was speaking to) in which those that were buried in the graves should hear.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Jesus was speaking to the Jews, for they are the ones that these things would happen.

This is all about the end of the age, it was their age not ours.

 

[Rex]

To speak more directly, and in carefully reading your post, I do believe your OP is a reflection of the epiphany you experienced and I'm not about to take that from from you hermeneutics 101

Matthew 13
44 “Again,
the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man
found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and
buys that field.


45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls,
46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

 

[brrrilliantsteve]

Hi Rocky,

I still have a few questions and comments for you.

Jesus spoke of this in Matthew 24, when he told his disciples that the temple would be destroyed. They, being Jews, knew that would mean the end of the age for they asked "When shall these things be, the sign of thy coming and the end of the age?" Mat 24:3

Jesus was speaking to the Jews, for they are the ones that these things would happen.

This is all about the end of the age, it was their age not ours.

I just read through all the posts and, correct me if i am wrong, it seems that the judgement you are talking about is the judgement on the Jews when Jerusalem was destroyed? or are you also talking about the spiritual temple?, because you do mention their spiritual death. (PS. the word death in the verse has both a figurative an literal meaning, so that would be correct: but the word grave has only a literal meaning).

It is my understanding of the time when Jesus was speaking here, that both the Jews and Jesus disciples thought he was speaking literally; but he was speaking both of the literal destruction of Jerusalem with its shadows and of spiritual kingdom. Yet they did not understand until after Jesus had risen and talked with them on the road.

From my study, it is apparent that Jesus (and some prophets) often spoke with meaning for more than one occasion. Do you not think he could have been doing that here?

So of OUR age. Do you not believe that Jesus is coming again a second time? Truth, the resurrection and judgement would come (upon them) in a few hours, not thousands of years.

(For the record I do believe Judgement came on the Jews like you say).