Hey Riven, May I ask?

[Riven]

Why don't you believe that everything you see is a miracle, and every person you see is a miracle?

Who says I don't? It doesn't mean my view is anymore scientific.

Because it is God who created every person. Can you explain this process clearly? How does God combine various molecules in a woman's womb to form a life?

The question assumes God is the one doing it. Other animals also reproduce. Reproduction appears instead to be an evolutionary process.

Don’t you think this is far more advanced compared to creating robots? This is a miracle, but are you trying to explain it with science?

We are more advanced, yes. One could view life itself as a miracle, but it still does nothing to explain how Jesus rose from the dead, if that's what he actually did. If you think that act is part of the natural order of things, what do you consider supernatural?

 

[soberxp]

Who says I don't? It doesn't mean my view is anymore scientific.


The question assumes God is the one doing it. Other animals also reproduce. Reproduction appears instead to be an evolutionary process.


We are more advanced, yes. One could view life itself as a miracle, but it still does nothing to explain how Jesus rose from the dead, if that's what he actually did. If you think that act is part of the natural order of things, what do you consider supernatural?

Have you ever considered the question of how, after a sperm enters the uterus and fertilization occurs, it connects with the uterus to form the umbilical cord?

Is this process related to the movement of planets in the universe?

Does a developing fetus float in the uterus like a planet, while still being connected to the uterus through the umbilical cord?

Can this process explain how Jesus Christ was resurrected and reborn?

Moreover, from the perspective of truth, the resurrection and rebirth of Jesus Christ can be explained as follows:

It is because the way, the truth, and the life are embodied in Jesus Christ.

The way, the truth, and the life are eternal—they do not die or perish.

Therefore, it is only natural that Jesus Christ was resurrected and reborn.


I've passed the stage of supernatural curiosity, because I've gone from agnostic to believer, Because I did see miracles, I saw Jesus Christ and angels, I saw many miracles, so I was sure of it.

 

[Riven]

Have you ever considered the question of how, after a sperm enters the uterus and fertilization occurs, it connects with the uterus to form the umbilical cord?

No, can't say that I have.

Is this process related to the movement of planets in the universe?

Astrologers probably think so.

Does a developing fetus float in the uterus like a planet, while still being connected to the uterus through the umbilical cord?

I doubt it.

Can this process explain how Jesus Christ was resurrected and reborn?

That Jesus was literally born out of Mary's womb again? I can just imagine look on Joseph's face.

Moreover, from the perspective of truth, the resurrection and rebirth of Jesus Christ can be explained as follows:

It is because the way, the truth, and the life are embodied in Jesus Christ.

The way, the truth, and the life are eternal—they do not die or perish.

Therefore, it is only natural that Jesus Christ was resurrected and reborn.

Yeah, that's kind of standard Christian doctrine.

I've passed the stage of supernatural curiosity, because I've gone from agnostic to believer, Because I did see miracles, I saw Jesus Christ and angels, I saw many miracles, so I was sure of it.

Well, I'm very happy for you. I myself, have seen none of those things. Therefore, I must remain agnostic for the time being.

 

[Grailhunter]

Great conversations

 

[soberxp]

No, can't say that I have.


Astrologers probably think so.


I doubt it.


That Jesus was literally born out of Mary's womb again? I can just imagine look on Joseph's face.


Yeah, that's kind of standard Christian doctrine.


Well, I'm very happy for you. I myself, have seen none of those things. Therefore, I must remain agnostic for the time being.

In my experience, God doesn't show miracles to everyone because seeing miracles doesn't mean anything, because what matters is God's word in the Gospel, Of course miracles are important, but miracles are for the Gospel. Because even if God shows himself to people, people don't really want to read the Bible. It doesn't make any sense.


You still haven't grasped the meaning of my question.

Do you think fertilization and pregnancy are merely simple biological terms?

Think carefully about this process: How does the fertilized egg establish a connection with the uterus and form the umbilical cord?

How does the fertilized egg just hang in the womb?

Do you really believe this is just a simple natural formed through biological evolution?

 

[Riven]

In my experience, God doesn't show miracles to everyone because seeing miracles doesn't mean anything, because what matters is God's word in the Gospel, Of course miracles are important, but miracles are for the Gospel. Because even if God shows himself to people, people don't really want to read the Bible. It doesn't make any sense.

But why does he show miracles to some and not to others?

You still haven't grasped the meaning of my question.

Do you think fertilization and pregnancy are merely simple biological terms?

Think carefully about this process: How does the fertilized egg establish a connection with the uterus and form the umbilical cord?

How does the fertilized egg just hang in the womb?

Do you really believe this is just a simple natural formed through biological evolution?

I honestly don't know enough about these biological processes to really answer your questions.

 

[soberxp]

But why does he show miracles to some and not to others?

Because God looks for the right tools, does not mean that they are how good, but in the dwarfs to choose the tall.

God uses them for the Gospel.

I honestly don't know enough about these biological processes to really answer your questions.

You don't need to know this process, because biologists don't seem to know it, you just have to think, it's like docking a space station, Do you think this process is formed by the laws of nature?

You just have to build this imaginary process in your head, and you'll see the magic.

The uterus docking with the fertilized egg,

How the umbilical cord appeared out of thin air.

 

[Angelina]

 

[Debp]

Because God looks for the right tools, does not mean that they are how good, but the dwarfs choose the tall.

God uses them for the Gospel.

You don't need to know this process, because biologists don't seem to know it, you just have to think, it's like docking a space station, Do you think this process is formed by the laws of nature?

You just have to build this imaginary process in your head, and you'll see the magic.

The uterus docking with the fertilized egg,

How the umbilical cord appeared out of thin air.

I think you are saying that everything in our bodies (and everything else) is so intricately made...that it shows we had a Creator.

I know even one cell has so many complexities and how it connects to other cells to complete functions is a miracle. Scientists have said this...that believe in the Lord.

 

[soberxp]

I think you are saying that everything in our bodies (and everything else) is so intricately made...that it shows we had a Creator.

I know even one cell has so many complexities and how it connects to other cells to complete functions is a miracle. Scientists have said this...that believe in the Lord.

The scientist expresses the belief that there is a creator, but he does not express the creator in the Bible. There is a difference.

They are still agnostics.

 

[Debp]

The scientist expresses the belief that there is a creator, but he does not express the creator in the Bible. There is a difference.

They are still agnostics.

The scientists I was referring to are Christians. They publish articles and videos supporting Biblical Creation at the following website.

Home | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

 

[soberxp]

The scientists I was referring to are Christians. They publish articles and videos supporting Biblical Creation at the following website.

Home | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

I see what you mean. The dragonfly they found disproves the theory of evolution.

I didn't catch the meaning when I first read it.

LOL.

 

[Grailhunter]

Alright. But the miracles are the important parts. Jesus rising from the dead is important to the story.

I am a college educated Theologian, educated in 5 countries. One school or another most of my life.
Now some Theologians are academic and some are spiritual. I am spiritual and a witness to a lot of miracles.

My son was cured of crohn's disease by the laying on of hands, confirmed by Children’s hospital in St. Louis Mo. I have talked to angels in some really spectacular manners. And I can tell you that it usually is unexpected and not always in a religious place or circumstances.

I go to a lot of churches several denominations, but my favorites are Holy Ghost churches. I have seen more miracles in those churches than any other church. Of course I have seen the speaking in tongues in different forms. I have seen healings of the body and mind and heart. I have seen the Holy Spirit move among the congregation and felt the breeze of angel movement or wings.

Not everyone have miracles in their lives but some do but don’t recognize them because they are only looking for them in connection to religious circumstances.

One of the miracles in my life is being in the right place and meeting the right people at the right time to find what I was actually looking for at the time.

Now the topic of creationism and evolution has come up in this thread but there is a third belief….intelligent design which can be seen as Christian and agnostic.

So much of the Bible is being proved by different disciplines of science.

Christianity was first called Way and I believe it is a journey and may your journey lead you to the truth. The fact that you are thinking about it means you are knocking on the door. Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7

 

[Debp]

Now the topic of creationism and evolution has come up in this thread but there is a third belief….intelligent design which can be seen as Christian and agnostic.

The scientists at the site I mentioned believe in creation and intelligent design. They believe intelligent design shows the hand of the Creator.

Home | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

 

[ProDeo]

I think you are saying that everything in our bodies (and everything else) is so intricately made...that it shows we had a Creator.

I know even one cell has so many complexities and how it connects to other cells to complete functions is a miracle. Scientists have said this...that believe in the Lord.

And on top of that, you of all ~200 million sperm cells made it as first to the womb.

Everyone born is a lotto winner.

One nano second too late we were never given life.

 

[soberxp]

And on top of that, you of all ~200 million sperm cells made it as first to the womb.

Everyone born is a lotto winner.

One nano second too late we were never given life.

I have always thought that this process means that only Jesus Christ is the firstborn, and only Jesus Christ represents life.

 

[Riven]

@Angelina

Another reason I'm not so quick to become a Christian is because I don't like being told what to do or how to live my life.

With Christianity, you're forced to obey God, and he's essentially the ultimate hall monitor. No, you can't drink. No, you mustn't have sex outside of marriage. You cannot work on the Sabbath!

The last one is admittedly pretty good. I often wonder how Christians react to seeing their neighbors mowing the lawn on Sunday morning?

"You know, I really should kill him."

 

[soberxp]

@Angelina

Another reason I'm not so quick to become a Christian is because I don't like being told what to do or how to live my life.

With Christianity, you're forced to obey God, and he's essentially the ultimate hall monitor. No, you can't drink. No, you mustn't have sex outside of marriage. You cannot work on the Sabbath!

The last one is admittedly pretty good. I often wonder how Christians react to seeing their neighbors mowing the lawn on Sunday morning?

"You know, I really should kill him."

According to what you said, Christians who don't understand God's word but only told to others that you should work of your flesh.

We should work of love of God, and by Christ working in us.

God, forgive me if I was wrong.

 

[Debp]

We should work of love of God, and by Christ working in us.

That is true. And also living a sinful life doesn't bring peace to one's heart or mind.

To me, the Christian faith isn't like God being a "hall monitor".... instead it's guidance from above to help us avoid the pitfalls of life.

 

[Riven]

I think I've turned a corner. Ironically, it was through a story I was writing. Well, I'm still writing it. But it was the first draft.

Anyways, I put all the parts of me into it. Like shards of glass, I shaped the characters who resemble parts of my psyche. They are me.

The world is the one I've been living in for several years. It is a desolate place. One of hopelessness and needles suffering. A world full of grey and endless fog, where prayers are met with silence.

It's a place where false salvation can seem so tempting because there's nothing else. It isn't real, but it makes you feel good. You might even begin to believe it if you stay in that mindset long enough. You might even believe that you've discovered a hidden truth. The one that lingers in the deep waters of the abyss beneath your feet. The one that claims to be God, but knows he isn't.

That is until the final scene arrives. When Jesus of Nazareth walks into this desolate place. He doesn't speak. He doesn't need to. He merely observes. As he does, all of the falsehoods these shards of glass told themselves are laid bare. They fall away in the face of absolute truth and mercy.

It's crazy to even think it. Am I a lunatic? Is it possible that Jesus Christ used this story to reach me? As I read my own words back to myself in the final chapter, I could see him. I saw him. He saw me.

We saw each other. It was real.

He's real.