Hidden dynasties

[BibleScribe]

Hi Whirlwind,

I think you've been snookered by beguiling words, as I've attempted to point out in my Post #2. And where it's incumbent that I share the TRUTH, I will allow you to believe these lies if that's your preference.


Your Friend,
BibleScribe

 

[veteran]

Acts 23:12-13
12 And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
13 And they were more than forty which had made this conspiracy.
(KJV)

Ezek 22:23-25
23 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.
25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
(KJV)

Jer 11:9-12
9 And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear My words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.
11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto Me, I will not hearken unto them.
12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.
(KJV)

II Ki 15:30
30 And Hoshea the son of Elah made a conspiracy against Pekah the son of Remaliah, and smote him, and slew him, and reigned in his stead, in the twentieth year of Jotham the son of Uzziah.
(KJV)

2 Sam 15:12-13
12 And Absalom sent for Ahithophel the Gilonite, David's counsellor, from his city, even from Giloh, while he offered sacrifices. And the conspiracy was strong; for the people increased continually with Absalom.
13 And there came a messenger to David, saying, The hearts of the men of Israel are after Absalom.
(KJV)


There's no magic to the word "conspiracy". It simply means a plot or alliance towards acts. Most often when used in God's Word, it involved evil acts.

The grand conspiracy of Satan against Christ today in this world is nothing new.

 

[BibleScribe]

Veteran,

I think you miss the significance of the "conspiracy" premise as posted. The author apparently wishes to ascribe the he-goat's four horns as though these are FOUR global conspiracies. And of course we know that there are ONLY four conspiracies since the time of man, and they're all four right now making their manifestation, NOT as three, or five, or some other number, but precisely FOUR to match the Scriptural dictates.

But of course, the prophecies of Daniel are ALL written regarding nations and events, -- apparently with the exception of the Daniel 8 "four horns". They're different.



BibleScribe

 

[veteran]

Veteran,

I think you miss the significance of the "conspiracy" premise as posted. The author apparently wishes to ascribe the he-goat's four horns as though these are FOUR global conspiracies. And of course we know that there are ONLY four conspiracies since the time of man, and they're all four right now making their manifestation, NOT as three, or five, or some other number, but precisely FOUR to match the Scriptural dictates.

But of course, the prophecies of Daniel are ALL written regarding nations and events, -- apparently with the exception of the Daniel 8 "four horns". They're different.

BibleScribe

Yep, I recognized that. What he's really referring to is this...


Zech 1:18-21
18 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns.
19 And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.
20 And the LORD shewed me four carpenters.
21 Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.
(KJV)

Study of that leads to the info the OP was covering. It's also about the four stage locust working given in the Book of Joel, and hinted at again in Rev.9 about the locust army.

 

[BibleScribe]

What he's really referring to ... Zech 1:18-21 ...

Hey Veteran,

That's not what his post #1 suggests:

('four horns' in the Bible) are as follows:
...
Dan 1:3-5 ... Rev 17:12-18 ... Dan 8:23-26 ... Rev 13:11-18 ...

As such, I maintain the discrepancy between what Scripture provides, versus what this individual asserts.


BibleScribe

 

[veteran]

Hey Veteran,

That's not what his post #1 suggests:

Well, yes it is.

He does not go into Scripture detail about those four horns by quoting from Daniel like your mention of he-goats in Daniel. Instead, the Daniel Scripture he's applying for the working of the kingdom beast idea in general. I understand very well what he's talking about, have done a lot of that research myself. And I fully agree the beast working for the end definitely involves a working of four major areas of control over God's people and the earth. And that's a lot of what the Zech.1 Scripture four horns is about. I recall years ago even Senator Barry Goldwater outlined four major areas of controls upon the earth with the political, educational, financial, and religion.

 

[BibleScribe]

Well, yes it is.
...

You presume differently than his citations, (Dan 1:3-5 ... Rev 17:12-18 ... Dan 8:23-26 ... Rev 13:11-18... ) and apparently are able to mind meld better than I, -- because I specifically asked this question in Post #2, and received NO response.


Furthermore, I would suggest that many have various categories of "four" including the number of headlights in an automobile. So maybe THAT's what Scripture intended to convey.



BibleScribe

 

[veteran]

Anyone interested in more of the revealing of the Financial part of the FOUR hidden dynasties should give the DVD Inside Job a close look. It really brings the OP's quotes about the Financial to light showing who's in control of our U.S. economy. It ain't our U.S. President nor Congress and the Senate, like it's supposed to be per our U.S. Constitution.

All I can say is, those crept in unawares in economic control best enjoy it while they can, because Christ's return is just around the corner, and He's going to give them their just rewards for raping the wealth of America and the world.

 

[aspen]

Watching paint dry is a better use of time than trying to match Biblical prophecy that has already been fulfilled to hidden dynasties

Yes Foreigner - this is my opinion too.

 

[veteran]

And some hippies even like to smell... the paint while it dries to get high.

 

[aspen]

And some hippies even like to smell... the paint while it dries to get high.

Keep working on that empathy, Veteran......LOL

 

[veteran]

I recall in my college Accounting class, taught by CPA who had worked for a corporation, how the GACP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) allows one to turn a debt entry into a credit, just by magic bookkeeping! Those who use the phrase "creative accounting" for what the Financial industry does are not wrong, it's an accepted practice.

But not just accountants that work for companies do that, but the ones balancing the books for bankers also do it. (See The Creature From Jekyll Island, which gives documentation about New York bankers meeting secretly at the Jekyll Island resort in Georgia to lay the foundation work for creating the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank).

 

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('four horns' in the Bible) are as follows:

Hidden Dynasty of antichrist #1: Education/Media (greatly composed of media outlets):

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have." -- Richard Salant, ex-President, CBS News.
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years...It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, Internationalist billionaire, Humanist, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) kingpin, founder of the Trilateralist Commission, World Order Godfather voicing his praise of the controlled U.S. media for keeping their oath not to divulge the Globalist plans to the public at a meeting, June 1991, in Baden Baden, Germany, of yet one more infamous World Order group, the Bilderbergers.

"We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media. We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them" --Time Warner spokesperson.

"A very powerful complex of foundations and allied organizations has developed over the years to exercise a high degree of control over education. Part of this complex, and ultimately responsible for it, are the Rockefeller and Carnegie groups of foundations." --Rene Wormser, Counsel for the Reece Committee (Congressman Carroll Reese) on the 1950's investigations to uncover the Rockefeller’s (and other’s) foundations activities.

"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with." -- Richard Cohan, Sr. Producer, CBS political news

Dan 1:3-5
3 And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, and of the king's seed, and of the princes;
4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
5 And the king appointed them a daily provision of the king's meat, and of the wine which he drank: so nourishing them three years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king. (KJV)



Hidden Dynasty of antichrist #2: Politics

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." -- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
"...The age of nations must end...The governments of the nations have decided to order their separate sovereignties into one government to which they surrender their arms." -- United Nation's World Constitution.

"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation." -- John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York 1918 - 1925.

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans." -- Bill Clinton USA Today - Mar 3, 1993, page 2a.

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, then it will lose it's freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort and security that it values, it will lose that too. Unknown Americans must decide: Are we to be governed by Americans or by an International organization? I, for one, owe no allegiance to the United Nations nor will I give it any. I obey only the U.S. Constitution. You had better think about this issue, for if the U.N. can violate the Sovereignty of Haiti, Iraq and other countries, it can violate ours...The United States may not be the top dog 15 years from now. U.N. security council resolutions, backed by say Chinese soldiers, could be aimed at us." -- Charley Reese Orlando Sentinel

Rev 17:12-18
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the wh*re sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the wh*re, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (KJV)


Hidden Dynasty of antichrist #3: Finance

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- James A. Garfield, U.S. President.

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Facism, Marxism, Zionism and Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of World Government..." -- American Mercury Magazine, December 1957, pg. 92.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." -- Mater Amschell Bauer, the Godfather of the Rothschild Banking Cartel of Europe. (The U.S. Congress gave him and fellow international Bankers complete control of the U.S. monetary system through passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the Income Tax Act, and the 17th Amendment in 1913). They also control the World Bank and the I.M.F.

"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the FED. They are not government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers..." -- Lewis McFaddin, U.S. Congressman on the International Financiers when they were taking over the monetary control of America.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford, Founder of Ford Motor Company, commented on the privately owned "Federal" Reserve System.

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!" -- George W. Mallone, U.S. Senator (Nevada) in a Congressional address in 1957 alluding to the families that secretly own the "Federal" Reserve Bank and control the finances of the U.S.

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt, U.S. President, in a letter written November 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.

Dan 8:23-26
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. (KJV)


Hidden Dynasty of antichrist #4: Religion

"Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in." -- Peter Hoagland, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist, speaking on radio in 1983 with the great American Pastor and Patriot Everett Sileven.
[Perhaps the Senator should go back and reread the Constitution that he swore to uphold: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" -- The First Amendment of the United States Constitution.]

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." -- David Spangler, Director of PLANETARY INITIATIVE, (a United Nations World Government Group).

"The document [recent Vatican document that reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church] shows that other Christian churches contain "precious elements of salvation" and that "salvation is not denied to non-Christians," the pope said in his regular Sunday address." -- Pope John Paul II : Other Faiths Not Denied Salvation Washington post Oct 2, 2000 pg. A18. [In other words, anything goes]

"Jesus is no longer the only begotten Son of God...God begets gods...[therefore] You are all little gods." -- Kenneth Copeland, television minister; from The Agony of Deceit pg.100. [This is heavy New-Age doctrine, in which man can aspire to such a level of enlightenment that he becomes even as God Himself. Dangerous stuff!]

"Rothschild [Satanist, Illuminati, billionaire, world banking cartel] has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re-established." -- Wilson, Derek. Rothschild The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty, p. 101.

"It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." -- The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p.497.

Rev 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (KJV)

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A good summary of factors which corrupt society.

My only criticism is that "dynasties" is a term for people and families. Perhaps the word "group" or "factor" or something else could have been employed.

 

[veteran]

A good summary of factors which corrupt society.

My only criticism is that "dynasties" is a term for people and families. Perhaps the word "group" or "factor" or something else could have been employed.

How about 'locusts'? (Book of Joel; Rev.9)