Hope For LGBT

[Webers_Home]

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Hello;

There's hope for not only natural-born LGBT; but also for anybody else
that's natural-born; e.g. liars, gamblers, and alcoholics.

Back in 1968, when I was a young single guy living alone in a one-room
budget rental; it occurred to me that it would sure be a whole lot easier to
please God if I was like Him instead of like me. Well; imagine the
amazement that washed over me upon discovering that my thoughts were
on the right track.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . . He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises,
in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature.

While I was home from work sick one day several years ago, I watched a
morning show hosted by Regis Philbin and Kathie Lee Gifford. Somehow the
Bible passage below came up in conversation.

"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be
lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." (John
3:14-15)

Neither Regis nor Kathie had a clue what Christ's statement is saying; and
both are Christians— Regis a Catholic and Kathie a Protestant.

I was thunderstruck that two very popular, widely-known Christian
celebrities blew a golden opportunity to explain the gospel to a nationwide
audience due, not to opposition by the devil, nor to opposition by non
Christians; but simply due to their own ignorance of Christ's teachings.

The incident to which he referred is located at Num 21:5-9. Long story
short: Yhvh's people became weary of eating manna all the time at every
meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became hostile and confrontational;
angrily demanding tastier food.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; Yhvh
sent a swarm of deadly poisonous vipers among them; which began striking
people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions. Then the people
came to their senses and asked Moses to intercede. In reply; Yhvh
instructed Moses to fashion an image of the vipers and hoist it up on a pole
in plain view so that everyone dying from venom could look to the image for
relief.

The key issue here is that the image was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites— not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church
attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not
the Sabbath, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study and/or Sunday
school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments,
not one's religion of choice, no; not even prayers. The image was it. In other
words then: Christ's crucifixion is the only God-given, fail-safe escape from
the wrath of God; and when people accept it and depend upon it; then
according to John 3:14-16, they qualify for eternal life.

So; how does any of this relate to the divine nature about which Peter spoke
at 2Pet 1:4?

Well; the eternal life that Christ spoke of in John 3:14-16 is simply another
way of saying divine life. I mean: who but God is eternal, and who but God
is divine? So: eternal life is associated with divine nature just as human life
is associated with human nature. They're joined at the hip.

Eternal life is often confused with immortality; but they are not the same.
Immortality has to do with a body that's impervious to death and
putrefaction. Eternal life has to do with the nature of God. (1John 1:1-2)

One of Webster's definitions of nature is: the inherent character or basic
constitution of a person or thing.

The basic constitution of human life is human nature. The basic constitution
of eternal life is divine nature. If somebody can understand what human
nature is; then they can understand what divine nature is. The one is
inherent within humans, the other inherent within God.

Bottom line: eternal life is the solution to a natural-born LGBT's dilemma.
With eternal life they will never lie again (Titus 1:2) will never be tempted to
be LGBT again (Jas 1:13) and will never sin again either (1John 3:9); thus
their entry into the holy city is assured, and their name guaranteed to be
registered in the Lamb's book of life.

"Nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall
ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's
book of life. (Rev 21:27)

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[LightMessenger]

Why do you target mainly LGBT citizens as the ones unsaved?

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -- MATTHEW 7:5 KJV​

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[the stranger]

light messenger, do you believe a practicing (not a struggling) LGBT is saved? He made sure to note all are in need of a Savior, the only Savior, King Jesus.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Everybody has problems with proclivities which Webster's defines as an
inclination or predisposition toward something: especially a strong inherent
inclination toward something objectionable. And everybody also has
problems with predilections; which Webster's defines as a natural liking for
something: a tendency to do or to be attracted to something

†. Eph 2:2-4 . .We too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging
the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of
wrath, even as the rest.

With a pronoun like "we" Paul included himself as someone with natural-born
longings and desires for bad things. And the pronoun "all" precludes the
possibility of any one Christian claiming to be born free of a strong inherent
inclination toward something objectionable and/or a tendency to do, or to be
attracted to, something bad.

My point is; unless something were done to remedy people's predilections
and proclivities nobody would qualify for citizenship in either the new cosmos
or the holy city depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation. All would be
barred entry even though Christ gave his life to atone for everybody's sins.

The problem is, they would go right on sinning just like always because their
predilections and proclivities would drive them to sin; and were they to
suppress those predilections and proclivities I think they would eventually
suffer a nervous break down because they would be fighting against nature;
which everybody instinctively knows is a fight that can't be won without
suffering serious psychological consequences. Well; heaven is depicted as a
place of peace, joy, and happiness; rather than a place where people go
around with long faces because they aren't coupled with the gender of
their choice.

I'd imagine there's going to be a lot of bitter resentment at the Great White
Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 when LGBT people see others they
knew in life in the gallery dressed in white watching them being condemned
to the lake of flaming sulfur for doing the very same thing in life that they
did. "Hey!" they'll yell in protest. "What about so and so over there? How
come he gets a pass when he's just as much LGBT as we are?"

And the Lord will answer: "Who that guy? Oh yeah; I remember him. He was
a pretty chronic LGBT in life; but at least had the good sense to take me up
on, not a sex change; but a change of nature. As a result, he's no longer
LGBT; in point of fact it is impossible for him to be LGBT and just as
impossible to tempt him to be LGBT. And as for his conduct in life? Well; I
took care of all that on the cross so my Father would have nothing with
which to charge him. Up here, your ex LGBT friend is an innocent man.
Sorry about that."

In other words: Absolute innocence is the ultimate goal of the plan of
salvation; and to my knowledge the only way thus far to obtain it is via the
divine nature that the OP introduced; and that goes for everybody, not just
LGBT.

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[HammerStone]

Why do you target mainly LGBT citizens as the ones unsaved?

Query. How does one distinguish between a "target" versus addressing a topic that is decidedly ubiquitous and popular?

 

[JimParker]

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Hello;

There's hope for not only natural-born LGBT; but also for anybody else
that's natural-born; e.g. liars, gamblers, and alcoholics.

Back in 1968, when I was a young single guy living alone in a one-room
budget rental; it occurred to me that it would sure be a whole lot easier to
please God if I was like Him instead of like me. Well; imagine the
amazement that washed over me upon discovering that my thoughts were
on the right track.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . . He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises,
in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature.

While I was home from work sick one day several years ago, I watched a
morning show hosted by Regis Philbin and Kathie Lee Gifford. Somehow the
Bible passage below came up in conversation.

"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be
lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." (John
3:14-15)

Neither Regis nor Kathie had a clue what Christ's statement is saying; and
both are Christians— Regis a Catholic and Kathie a Protestant.

I was thunderstruck that two very popular, widely-known Christian
celebrities blew a golden opportunity to explain the gospel to a nationwide
audience due, not to opposition by the devil, nor to opposition by non
Christians; but simply due to their own ignorance of Christ's teachings.

The incident to which he referred is located at Num 21:5-9. Long story
short: Yhvh's people became weary of eating manna all the time at every
meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became hostile and confrontational;
angrily demanding tastier food.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; Yhvh
sent a swarm of deadly poisonous vipers among them; which began striking
people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions. Then the people
came to their senses and asked Moses to intercede. In reply; Yhvh
instructed Moses to fashion an image of the vipers and hoist it up on a pole
in plain view so that everyone dying from venom could look to the image for
relief.

The key issue here is that the image was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites— not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church
attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not
the Sabbath, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study and/or Sunday
school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments,
not one's religion of choice, no; not even prayers. The image was it. In other
words then: Christ's crucifixion is the only God-given, fail-safe escape from
the wrath of God; and when people accept it and depend upon it; then
according to John 3:14-16, they qualify for eternal life.

So; how does any of this relate to the divine nature about which Peter spoke
at 2Pet 1:4?

Well; the eternal life that Christ spoke of in John 3:14-16 is simply another
way of saying divine life. I mean: who but God is eternal, and who but God
is divine? So: eternal life is associated with divine nature just as human life
is associated with human nature. They're joined at the hip.

Eternal life is often confused with immortality; but they are not the same.
Immortality has to do with a body that's impervious to death and
putrefaction. Eternal life has to do with the nature of God. (1John 1:1-2)

One of Webster's definitions of nature is: the inherent character or basic
constitution of a person or thing.

The basic constitution of human life is human nature. The basic constitution
of eternal life is divine nature. If somebody can understand what human
nature is; then they can understand what divine nature is. The one is
inherent within humans, the other inherent within God.

Bottom line: eternal life is the solution to a natural-born LGBT's dilemma.
With eternal life they will never lie again (Titus 1:2) will never be tempted to
be LGBT again (Jas 1:13) and will never sin again either (1John 3:9); thus
their entry into the holy city is assured, and their name guaranteed to be
registered in the Lamb's book of life.

"Nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall
ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's
book of life. (Rev 21:27)

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<< Bottom line: eternal life is the solution to a natural-born LGBT's dilemma. With eternal life they will never lie again (Titus 1:2) will never be tempted to be LGBT again (Jas 1:13) and will never sin again either (1John 3:9); thus their entry into the holy city is assured, and their name guaranteed to be registered in the Lamb's book of life. >>

OH! If only it were that easy!

Yes, the cure for eternal death is receiving eternal life in Christ.

But, no matter what our "favorite" sin might be, when someone is born again, the devil increases the level of temptation and attack trying to re-imprison, if possible, the person who has been set free. Life will be a constant battle against the forces of evil that want us eternally dead.

When we were dead in our sins, we were no threat to the devil. Once we're born again, we become his immortal enemies and the the target of his plans to ensnare us in sin with the hope that we will deny our salvation and fall back into his eternal death.

1Pe 5:8-10 Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world. And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, establish, and strengthen you.

 

[aspen]

LGBT are such an easy target. Their temptation is only felt by the smallest minority. Only the weakest coward would ever point it out. Hey, Weber - if anyone has a grip against homosexuals it is me and I do not so lay off

 

[pom2014]

Query. How does one distinguish between a "target" versus addressing a topic that is decidedly ubiquitous and popular?

Search topics on gay here andd then search on sex outside of marriage. Count and your answer well be clear.

There are more posts versus gays from Christians, mainly men I may add and addressing male gay and rarely female, than anything about sex outside of marriage, cheating or remarriage without the spouse being dead.

In fact masturbation and porn addiction, again mainly on men, also pale to the amount of posts and articles against gays by Christians.

 

[Webers_Home]

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†. Luke 8:11 . . Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

"seed" doesn't always refer to words; for example:

†. Gal 3:16 . .The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The
Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to
your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

†. Rom 1:3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

†. 2Tim 2:8 . . Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David

The seed in those passages is obviously speaking of genetics rather than
words.

Here's another passage where I think it's best to interpret seed as referring
to genetics.

†. 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In other words: if someone were to be born of God, they would quite
naturally inherit His sinless perfection; for example:

Jesus Christ was born not only of Abraham and David; but also of God; and
the Bible attests to his sinless perfection.

†. 1Pet 2:22 . . He committed no sin

†. Heb 4:15 . . He was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Most folk like to attribute Christ's sinless perfection to his being God; but I'd
rather attribute it to Christ's possession of his Father's life.

†. John 5:27 . . As the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son
to have life in himself.

Well; needless to say, the kind of life that's in the Father is eternal life;
which is the very same kind of life that Christ grants to his believing
followers. (John 3:14-16. John 17:2)

I conclude therefore, that the "seed" spoken of in 1John 3:9 is eternal life;
which is an inherently sinless kind of life as opposed to human life which is
an inherently sinful kind of life.

Q: If eternal life is an inherently sinless kind of life, then why does 1John
1:8-10 say that Christ's believing followers are liars if they claim to be
sinless?

A: Because his believing followers are an amalgam of that which is human
and that which is divine.

†. John 3:6 . .That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born
of the Spirit is spirit.

Q: Well; if Christ was an amalgam of that which is human and that which is
divine; then why didn't 1John 1:8-10 apply to him?

A: Christ had a whopping advantage over his believing followers. He wasn't
just filled with the Spirit; he was over-maxed with it.

†. John 3:34 . . God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

†. Col 2:9 . . For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form

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[aspen]

Hey weber, have you tried being in an an intimate relationship with a homosexual? I tried for 20 years. It doesn't work. So your tbread is nothing more than horse droppings

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

Hammerstone gets 1,000 points for using the term "ubiquitous."

 

[Webers_Home]

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I deliberately revised the translation of 1Cor 6:9-11 below in order to
emphasize something.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy
nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
And that is what some of you were. But you reformed.

No; it doesn't say the Corinthian Christians reformed. Here is what Paul
really said.

"But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name
of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Note that the Corinthian Christians didn't wash themselves, nor sanctify
themselves, nor justify themselves. No; it was all done for them "by the
Spirit of our God".

The New Testament Greek word for "wash" is apolouo (ap-ol-oo'-o) which
indicates cleansing. This corresponds to the washing about which Christ
spoke at John 13:10 and John 15:3

The word for "sanctified" is hagiazo (hag-ee-ad'-zo) which just simply means
to designate someone and/or something as set aside for God.

The word for "justified" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which means to acquit; viz:
to render (i.e. show or regard as) righteous or innocent.

It's tragic that so many modern churchians use 1Cor 6:9-11 to pummel
Christian LGBT when Paul actually meant it to reassure them of their safety.
And the other Corinthian Christians too: the sexually immoral, the idolaters,
the adulterers, the male prostitutes, the thieves, the greedy, the drunkards,
the slanderers, and the swindlers.

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[ATP]

Lev 18:22 ESV You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Lev 20:13 ESV If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Rom 1:26-28 ESV For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

1 Cor 6:9-11 ESV Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Tim 1:10-11 ESV The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

 

[Webers_Home]

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†. 1Tim 1:8-11 . . Law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who
are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and
profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and
immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and
whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel
of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

LGBT and Liars are grouped together in that passage. But Christians tend to
let liars slide because, while LGBT represent only a very small fraction of
society, liars represent the total of society. Nobody is 100% honest all the
time. There are Christians who are honest some of the time, and there are
Christians who are even honest most of the time, but none of them are
honest all the time; and yet they all believe themselves exempt from a liar's
condemnation.

It's very commonly known that LGBT are in grave danger of the wrath of
God; but dishonest Christians are in grave peril too.

†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.

In addition, unless Christians are 100% honest, they will be barred entry to
the holy city depicted in the book of Revelation.

†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.

Obviously then, there are no dishonest Christians' names recorded in the
Lamb's book of life.

I think it's very unfair that Christian liars are willing to give themselves a
pass while refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as how both kinds
of Christians are just as condemned as the other.

Paul also mentioned "those who are lawless and rebellious". That would be
scofflaws who J-walk, hang illegal U-turns, fail to yield the right of way, feed
parking meters, drift through stop signs without coming to a complete halt,
exceed the speed limit, make unsafe lane changes, vent in road rage, and
walk their dogs off-leash and not pick up their droppings; etc.

I think that it's very unfair that Christian scofflaws are willing to give
themselves a pass while refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as
how both kinds of Christians are just as condemned as the other.

Paul also mentioned "whatever else is contrary to sound teaching".

Now THAT encompasses a monster category of conduct unbecoming;
including, but not limited to: thoughtless remarks, toxic rejoinders, ugly
suggestions, demeaning comments, malicious gossip, selfishness, grudging,
chafing, greed, avarice, purple epithets, cussing, insolence, pouting,
innuendoes, bigotry, elitism, conceit, pretense, hypocrisy, cheating, stealing,
taking liberties, trespassing, quarrelling, sniping, revenge, yelling, door
slamming, hissy fits, stone-walling, foot dragging, stubbornness, lashing out,
fault finding, mockery, name calling, petty ill will . . .

. . . denigrating labels, misogyny, misandry, hatred of small children,
character assassination, spite, failure to turn the other cheek,
recriminations, indifference to poverty and need, hounding and stalking,
silent treatments, demeaning humor, intimidation, rage, carping, rivalry,
hostility, antagonism, roasting, animosity, double standards, wiseacre
retorts, cold shouldering, and rumor mongering, etc, et al.

I think that it's very unfair that Christians in the "whatever else is contrary
to sound teaching" category are willing to give themselves a pass while
refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as how both kinds of Christians
are just as condemned as the other.

He that is without sin among you; let him be the first to throw a stone.
(John 8:7)

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[justaname]

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†. 1Tim 1:8-11 . . Law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who
are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and
profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and
immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and
whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel
of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

LGBT and Liars are grouped together in that passage. But Christians tend to
let liars slide because, while LGBT represent only a very small fraction of
society, liars represent the total of society. Nobody is 100% honest all the
time. There are Christians who are honest some of the time, and there are
Christians who are even honest most of the time, but none of them are
honest all the time; and yet they all believe themselves exempt from a liar's
condemnation.

It's very commonly known that LGBT are in grave danger of the wrath of
God; but dishonest Christians are in grave peril too.

†. Rev 21:7-8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire
and brimstone, which is the second death.

In addition, unless Christians are 100% honest, they will be barred entry to
the holy city depicted in the book of Revelation.

†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy
city, the new Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the
Lamb's book of life.

Obviously then, there are no dishonest Christians' names recorded in the
Lamb's book of life.

I think it's very unfair that Christian liars are willing to give themselves a
pass while refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as how both kinds
of Christians are just as condemned as the other.

Paul also mentioned "those who are lawless and rebellious". That would be
scofflaws who J-walk, hang illegal U-turns, fail to yield the right of way, feed
parking meters, drift through stop signs without coming to a complete halt,
exceed the speed limit, make unsafe lane changes, vent in road rage, and
walk their dogs off-leash and not pick up their droppings; etc.

I think that it's very unfair that Christian scofflaws are willing to give
themselves a pass while refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as
how both kinds of Christians are just as condemned as the other.

Paul also mentioned "whatever else is contrary to sound teaching".

Now THAT encompasses a monster category of conduct unbecoming;
including, but not limited to: thoughtless remarks, toxic rejoinders, ugly
suggestions, demeaning comments, malicious gossip, selfishness, grudging,
chafing, greed, avarice, purple epithets, cussing, insolence, pouting,
innuendoes, bigotry, elitism, conceit, pretense, hypocrisy, cheating, stealing,
taking liberties, trespassing, quarrelling, sniping, revenge, yelling, door
slamming, hissy fits, stone-walling, foot dragging, stubbornness, lashing out,
fault finding, mockery, name calling, petty ill will . . .

. . . denigrating labels, misogyny, misandry, hatred of small children,
character assassination, spite, failure to turn the other cheek,
recriminations, indifference to poverty and need, hounding and stalking,
silent treatments, demeaning humor, intimidation, rage, carping, rivalry,
hostility, antagonism, roasting, animosity, double standards, wiseacre
retorts, cold shouldering, and rumor mongering, etc, et al.

I think that it's very unfair that Christians in the "whatever else is contrary
to sound teaching" category are willing to give themselves a pass while
refusing to give Christian LGBT a pass seeing as how both kinds of Christians
are just as condemned as the other.

He that is without sin among you; let him be the first to throw a stone.
(John 8:7)

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Well don't we all need Jesus!

h34r:

Let me pick out a sin I am not guilty of and point out how wrong it really is>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Forsakenone]

Query. How does one distinguish between a "target" versus addressing a topic that is decidedly ubiquitous and popular?

That would seem incongruous statement since I don't think the LGBT community finds the claims of their damnation as popular anywhere any more than those who marry find the passage of Luke 20:34-35 as popular.

34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

 

[StanJ]

In fact masturbation and porn addiction, again mainly on men, also pale to the amount of posts and articles against gays by Christians.

NOT against gays or LGBT people pom, but against their lifestyle and agenda. There's a big difference that some exploit in a very dishonest fashion.

 

[pom2014]

Yet there are more posts from Christians online about the evil of gays than any single issue about straights.

This behaviour is pure deflection of their own sins. Again its the human trying to make them seem less reprensible than another sinner.

They can hide, point fingers and run but they're not going escape it.

Its repugnant.

 

[justaname]

Yet there are more posts from Christians online about the evil of gays than any single issue about straights.

This behaviour is pure deflection of their own sins. Again its the human trying to make them seem less reprensible than another sinner.

They can hide, point fingers and run but they're not going escape it.

Its repugnant.

Some of this is attributed to the fact that there is a deliberate agenda from LGBT side to push their lifestyle as acceptable to society. The topic is communicated often, and is something that will be responded to by those who do not agree.

I do not see thieves forming associations attempting to get society to approve their lifestyle. Ax murders can say I was born this way, but that does not dissolve the sin if they follow through with their desires.

Media, politics, and legislature have all supported LGBT. This is a hot topic in society today.

 

[HammerStone]

Search topics on gay here andd then search on sex outside of marriage. Count and your answer well be clear.

There are more posts versus gays from Christians, mainly men I may add and addressing male gay and rarely female, than anything about sex outside of marriage, cheating or remarriage without the spouse being dead.

In fact masturbation and porn addiction, again mainly on men, also pale to the amount of posts and articles against gays by Christians.

These vices lack organized support advocating for their acceptance, and suing individuals for not baking them cakes. To be fair, none of these groups have advocacy organizations of any size, and there are simply not pushes for porn viewing clergy groups or adulterous conferences of bishops. I accept and take my own piece of the blame in that Christians in general have not fully stood up for marriage, going back decades in the battle with divorce and contraception, but here we are nonetheless.

To require that Christians say very little on the upside down turning of their sexual ethic after two millennia of consistent teaching will stir a hornets nest or two regardless of the side that one takes. In fact, many of the threads here have been started by people advocating gay marriage. It's actually one of the few issues where we know examples of folks who sign up only to talk about this issue, often being deceitful in how they fill out profiles or the information they share. So the feelings are mutual, and this is understandable given the imperfect treatment that the homosexual community has received.

That would seem incongruous statement since I don't think the LGBT community finds the claims of their damnation as popular anywhere any more than those who marry find the passage of Luke 20:34-35 as popular.

I used this in the sense of #5 here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/popular

Issues are often discussed at various levels, popular can mean with a certain sense of abridgment or, for lack of a better term, dumbing down. Unfortunately, much of the rhetoric in this debate is going down this path, because the people on both sides are vilified beyond measure. Some deserve it, but most don't. I fail to see, for example, how putting a seven person family with 5 kids through bankruptcy for holding a view the parents is acceptable. However, perhaps the little "g" gods demand a necessary sacrifice or two for the greater cause?