How can there be life after death?

[Mancunian]

Conclusive proof that the earth was created for Chickenkind.

 

[Mancunian]

So what did you see? Plate tectonics, or the biblical "dust to dust"? You were formed from the dust.

Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Yes and that was the punishment for all of mankind because of the disobedience. I think that the snake got away with it's indiscretion fairly lightly all things considered.

 

[Mancunian]

Am I talking to someone who actually believes that man was crafted from mud? And from mudmans rib woman was crafted?
We are talking about a creator who created the universe.
Our solar system àlone is complex, from the gas giant planets to our neighbours Mars and Venus....
You are taking the word of largely ignorant (of science) people who were superstitious and looking for answers to why they existed.
We know where Homosapiens came from, we can trace our ancestry through the ages, we know that we are closely related to the chimpanzee and are a branch of the tree of life.

 

[Mancunian]

You don't believe that's the end of the Creator's story concerning the lake of fire do you? Why He designed it and purposed it and created it. To just to throw them into it and throw away the key.

One of if not the greatest act of love the Creator will perform comes after their incarceration.

When what He wills is carried out.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Seems to me that your God's followers invented the carrot or the stick.
Burning alive is probably the worst way to die, I can't think of a worst way to go...
The carrot is better than the stick.
Little wonder fearful individuals choose the carrot.

Under the cultural and political influence of Zoroastrianism and Hellenistic ideas, Judaism developed concepts of resurrection and post-mortem retribution, which early Christianity and Islam later expanded into eternal fire and torment (such as Gehenna or Jahannam).

 

[Mancunian]

How nice.

 

[Mancunian]

Gen 1:20 And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.”
Gen 1:21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

You can't blame a cat for killing a mouse, a cat has no morals. Once upon a time our cat caught a bird in our garden. Then within seconds ~50 birds came flying in sitting in trees and screaming loudly in support of the victim bird. Some of these birds flying over our cat picking him until he let go. Amazing spectacle.

Still you can't blame the cat, created according to its kind. No morals, no conscience, no good nor evil, created as they are. Some of them with amazing attributes.

I already told you how God created mankind in Paradise, a supernatural place where the Laws of Physics were different, living in the presence of God, no death, sickness, no evil, only goodness, harmony and love. And that is where we go when we die, restored to God's original intended creation.

Mankind wanted to know evil, God put them there, away from Paradise, away from His presence, into the evolved earth where death rules as a necessity, where you can (and will) experience good and evil exactly as mankind desired. Why complain??

Let's face it, this world is an excellent place to learn the difference between good and evil, just as mankind desired. Just read history and the daily news what mankind is capable of.

I have an atheist friend who once told me -> I can not see evidence for God, but enough evidence for a devil. He is right about the latter, mankind made a deal with the devil, we have to experience the consequences. That is, for this temporarily life. No choice.

What happens after death you have a choice.

I have given you examples of animals showing a sense of morality and self awareness. Scientific examples. If you want to ignore that evidence and carry on thinking that we have dominion over 'dumb' animals because the Bible says so, carry on.

 

[Sel@h]

Why are Christians so afraid of life having an end point? Why must one live forever when one didn't exist for billions of years and seemed to not suffer from it?

Non-existence is not to be feared. It's a return to the experience we all had before we were born. Which is to say, no experience at all. Why is everyone so frightened of this? I don't get it.

I’m not afraid of an end point; it’s just that Jesus offers eternal life. Is there something specific about Christianity you disagree with, or are you just unconvinced that God exists?

@Mancunian

 

[Mancunian]

I’m not afraid of an end point; it’s just that Jesus offers eternal life. Is there something specific about Christianity you disagree with, or are you just unconvinced that God exists?

@Mancunian

I don't know whether a God exists or has existed that's why I'm agnostic. I don't believe that a God exists now, that's why I'm an atheist.
On Christiansity..
The offer of eternal life is based on belief and repentance and not on how you live your life. To me this is totally wrong...
Good people who have lived good lives perish because of a lack of belief. People who have lived bad lives and hurt people, sometimes in the worst ways can be saved?
No thanks, I'll pass up that invitation.

 

[Mancunian]

Everything didn't come from nothing. I don't like the big bang theory, it doesn't make sense to me... If that was the case, the laws of physics and mathematics would have to be in capsulated in the singularity.
That would still leave the question about who or what put them there.

 

[soberxp]

Am I talking to someone who actually believes that man was crafted from mud? And from mudmans rib woman was crafted?
We are talking about a creator who created the universe.
Our solar system àlone is complex, from the gas giant planets to our neighbours Mars and Venus....
You are taking the word of largely ignorant (of science) people who were superstitious and looking for answers to why they existed.
We know where Homosapiens came from, we can trace our ancestry through the ages, we know that we are closely related to the chimpanzee and are a branch of the tree of life.

**You simply don't believe that the words of the Bible are a matter of science. Aside from water, most of the elements that make up the human body are the same elements found in the soil. If you have studied some of the topics researched by Christians, you would understand this.**

**Consistency in element types:** Multiple Christian sources (including *The Watchtower* articles and systematic theology works) point out that the chemical elements that make up the human body are also present in the earth's crust. For example, citing scientific authorities, one systematic theology document lists 16 elements found in soil (such as calcium, carbon, crine, fluorine, hydrogen, iodine, iron, magnesium, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, potassium, silicon, sodium, sulfur, etc.) that can be found in the human body. Another article published in the *Brazilian Journal of Technology* also mentions that scientists have observed identical chemical elements in clay and the human body, and subsequent research has even expanded this number to 26.

**Similarity in proportions:** Some apologetic articles further point out that it is not just the types of elements; there is also a correlation between the elemental abundance in the human body and that of the earth's crust. For example, some articles state that oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust, making up about 65% of the human body; carbon is abundant in topsoil, making up about 18% of the human body; and hydrogen makes up about 10%. A study also observed that clay/soil models... *

**And the fact that the woman was formed from Adam's rib and flesh is also a true event. This part goes beyond what current scientific methods can prove, so it is very difficult to verify it with existing science.**

 

[Riven]

I’m not afraid of an end point; it’s just that Jesus offers eternal life. Is there something specific about Christianity you disagree with, or are you just unconvinced that God exists?

@Mancunian

In the reverse. I'm unsure if God exists, although I'm certainly open to the idea. With regards to Christianity, I find all of the miracles strain credulity.

Everything didn't come from nothing. I don't like the big bang theory, it doesn't make sense to me... If that was the case, the laws of physics and mathematics would have to be in capsulated in the singularity.
That would still leave the question about who or what put them there.

What are your thoughts on the universe being a simulation?

 

[Mancunian]

**You simply don't believe that the words of the Bible are a matter of science. Aside from water, most of the elements that make up the human body are the same elements found in the soil. If you have studied some of the topics researched by Christians, you would understand this.**

**Consistency in element types:** Multiple Christian sources (including *The Watchtower* articles and systematic theology works) point out that the chemical elements that make up the human body are also present in the earth's crust. For example, citing scientific authorities, one systematic theology document lists 16 elements found in soil (such as calcium, carbon, crine, fluorine, hydrogen, iodine, iron, magnesium, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, potassium, silicon, sodium, sulfur, etc.) that can be found in the human body. Another article published in the *Brazilian Journal of Technology* also mentions that scientists have observed identical chemical elements in clay and the human body, and subsequent research has even expanded this number to 26.

**Similarity in proportions:** Some apologetic articles further point out that it is not just the types of elements; there is also a correlation between the elemental abundance in the human body and that of the earth's crust. For example, some articles state that oxygen is the most abundant element in the earth's crust, making up about 65% of the human body; carbon is abundant in topsoil, making up about 18% of the human body; and hydrogen makes up about 10%. A study also observed that clay/soil models... *

**And the fact that the woman was formed from Adam's rib and flesh is also a true event. This part goes beyond what current scientific methods can prove, so it is very difficult to verify it with existing science.**

Different Proportions make up none physical matter.

While Earth's crust is dominated by elements like iron (~35%), oxygen (~30%), silicon (~15%), and magnesium (~13%).

The human body is roughly 99% composed of just six elements:

Oxygen: 65% (largely via water)

Carbon: 18.5% (the backbone of organic molecules)

Hydrogen: 9.5% (found in water and organic compounds)

Nitrogen: 2.6%–3.2% (part of proteins and DNA)

Calcium: 1.3% (bones and teeth)

Phosphorus: 0.6% (DNA and energy transfer)

Trace Minerals: The body also requires tiny amounts of "earth" minerals like iron, zinc, sodium, potassium, and magnesium.

So we are not made from mud.

 

[Mancunian]

In the reverse. I'm unsure if God exists, although I'm certainly open to the idea. With regards to Christianity, I find all of the miracles strain credulity.


What are your thoughts on the universe being a simulation?

What if it is a simulation? Would that make a difference on how you're living your life? Maybe it is a simulation, maybe it isn't who knows? We play with the cards that we are given.