How does God chasten us?

[markalan]

How does God chasten us?

Hebrews 12:6-11

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And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:​

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For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.​

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If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?​

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But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.​

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Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?​

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For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.​

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Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.​

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Paul compares God's chastening to a father disciplining a son. A recent poll on this forum* showed about 2/3 say it is ok to use corporal punishment to discipline their children.

Does God sometimes use physical discipline to correct His children?

* Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

 

[JimKnox]

How does God chasten us?

Hebrews 12:6-11

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And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:​

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For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.​

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If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?​

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But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.​

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Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?​

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For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.​

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Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.​

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Paul compares God's chastening to a father disciplining a son. A recent poll on this forum* showed about 2/3 say it is ok to use corporal punishment to discipline their children.

Does God sometimes use physical discipline to correct His children?

* Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

Yes.

 

[Taken]

Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

Yes.

Just as there is a “range in age and maturity” in what is called a “child”…
So also is there a “range in corporal punishment”.

Corporal punishment… has several intended goals…ie.
* get their attention
* a physical gesture /act
* pain
* discomfort
* consequence for unacceptable behavior

Age… when child knows what No means…
No yelling or name calling at or to child.
Directly face to face, Saying No ONLY Once.

Proceed…
* removing a child from a location
* Covering a child’s mouth to hush something they said
* swat on bottom
* Slap on hand
* moving their hands away
* finger flick on forehead

Repeat as necessary, calm and with No speaking.

Be patient, it works!
Give child hug, kisses, and an activity / chore suited to their age, and compliment.

NO… counting (1,2, 3!), scream, yell, threaten, call names, wildly hit, beat, send to room, argue, debate, QUIT…

Teens… put them on a leash…kinda!
Give them small, bit by bit liberty… and check on them (so they know), (Friends house, park, playing in basement, library, in their room, etc.) every 20-30 min.
(Never lie to them, or ask them to lie for you.)

Children will TRUST whom they Know IS caring and Trust-Worthy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bombastic]

Chastisement is different than wrath (G-d is slow to anger). Having said that, I say it's by internal conscience conviction or external oppression. It is impossible for Satan to indwell a truly regenerated believer; however, Satan can oppress believers, like in the case of Job. The conscience, likewise, can be softened by the heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:25-27), or it can become numb, like in the case of Pharaoh, and experience hardening. Likewise, the internal conscience, as mentioned in the beginning of chapters in Romans 2, speaks about the Gentiles and Jews; one is internal conviction and the other is external scripture. Of course, the natural conviction of the Gentile will justify or convict based upon the flesh whereas the Scriptures are alien in justification and external.
It is also interesting to note the true definition of predestination vs. foreordination. Predestination is always positive; that is, G-d elects some to salvation. And foreordination is always negative, that is, G-d passes over the reprobate. He doesn't elect some to hell but grants what the reprobate want, that is, after death to be judged (Hebrews 9:27) and to stand before Him without representation (propitiation and atonement).
In other words, at the cross, Satan believed he won; the reprobate believe they won. And they did; they'll get exactly what they want.
A special place has already been prepared for them (no justice or righteousness, only strife and wickedness; a life devoid of the blessing of G-d or a life blessed by His presence, etc.).
On another note, I always think it interesting when somebody that doesn't go to church says, "I believe in G-d." This reminds me of when I had my first dinner with a future son-in-law. I asked, "Do you believe in G-d?" He said, "Yes, I believe in G-d." I then asked, "What does that mean?" Even Satan believes G-d exists.

 

[Taken]

Chastisement is different than wrath (G-d is slow to anger). Having said that, I say it's by internal conscience conviction or external oppression. It is impossible for Satan to indwell a truly regenerated believer;

Agree.

however, Satan can oppress believers, like in the case of Job.

Agree.
Satan CAN oppress (Target and Trick) Believers.

Believers are ONE thing…(still subject to Satan’s cunning trickery)
Converted Believers are ANOTHER thing…(not subject to Satan’s cunning trickery)

Job lived in the ERA. Salvation / Conversion was not offered until Only AFTER Mortal Death.
God was WITH Job, But not yet IN Job.

The conscience, likewise, can be softened by the heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:25-27), or it can become numb, like in the case of Pharaoh, and experience hardening. Likewise, the internal conscience, as mentioned in the beginning of chapters in Romans 2, speaks about the Gentiles and Jews; one is internal conviction and the other is external scripture. Of course, the natural conviction of the Gentile will justify or convict based upon the flesh whereas the Scriptures are alien in justification and external.
It is also interesting to note the true definition of predestination vs. foreordination. Predestination is always positive; that is, G-d elects some to salvation. And foreordination is always negative, that is, G-d passes over the reprobate. He doesn't elect some to hell but grants what the reprobate want, that is, after death to be judged (Hebrews 9:27) and to stand before Him without representation (propitiation and atonement).
In other words, at the cross, Satan believed he won; the reprobate believe they won. And they did; they'll get exactly what they want.
A special place has already been prepared for them (no justice or righteousness, only strife and wickedness; a life devoid of the blessing of G-d or a life blessed by His presence, etc.).

Conscience…( in brief “the soul” AND “the body” / flesh AND “the spirit” / hearts truth…
Each have a part, in a mans conversion…

On another note, I always think it interesting when somebody that doesn't go to church says, "I believe in G-d."

I have a different perspective.
“I believe in God and Testify, I am converted.
I do not “GO” to any man-made church.
Rather, I believe I am a member of Christ Jesus’ Church, and hear, read, study, His word daily…
( For Every day the Lord hath made )
…and Fellowship with Anyone, Any time, Anyplace and Glorify God in parallel to such opportunities.
It’s a 24-7 Church, in Christ, no locked doors.
No dress code, no modern traditions, no time schedule, no weather, wars, opinions, work, politics, school, entertainment, etc. to prevent or excuse, attendance.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Bombastic]

Job lived in the ERA. Salvation / Conversion was not offered until Only AFTER Mortal Death.
God was WITH Job, But not yet IN Job.

I don't believe that.
The ordo salutis is the same from cover to cover.
For example, “I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth” (Job 19:25).
This is justification by faith alone. And regeneration precedes faith.
The theological depth dives deep into Supralapsarianism vs. Infralapsarianism.

 

[Taken]

I don't believe that.
The ordo salutis is the same from cover to cover.
For example, “I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth” (Job 19:25).
This is justification by faith alone. And regeneration precedes faith.
The theological depth dives deep into Supralapsarianism vs. Infralapsarianism.

I was not talking about “justification”.
Job was righteous, but not born again, (quickened) until his body mortally died.

A body MUST Die, BEFORE…
The spirit can be “Born Again” (ie quickened).

You live in an ERA, thus which After Jesus was sent to Earth, and offered the “new better Testament and covenant” to become made “bodily crucified With Jesus”, accounted bodily Dead, and thus Able to receive “your quickened ( born again Spirit ), before your Mortal Death.”

That did not Apply to ancient OT believing men.

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

Glory to God,
Taken