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[amigo de christo]

Don't know about you all but, for sometime now, the coldness of those around me seemed to deepen and I can only refer back to when Jesus said in Matthew that in these days, the love of many shall grow cold. More like freezing!

Matthew 24:12​

“And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.”

Hit the trenches dear sister , we are in the last of days now . Let us be in prayer more often
and doing the things of the LORD .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, these now are, to me "modern day Pharisees" and they judge simply by looking at you. I won't be stepping foot in another one of those places...other than, perhaps weddings or funerals. It's a shocking slap in the face when those we should be RUNNING to for edification and prayer with struggles judge you before even saying a word.
Not going to find many out there in my experience, who even speak on righteousness ever, just like those who do not speak of the end times scripture coming to pass before our eyes!
I think there is a need for deep study on all the meanings or differences between sin, transgression, iniquity and trespasses. I know @1stCenturyLady explained some of these awhile back but...still get them mixed up...

Sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4. IOW, disobeying one of the moral Ten Commandments. Catholics refer to them as mortal sins. 1 John 5:16-17 refers to them as sins unto death. But it also refers to sins NOT unto death. Those are trespasses. IOW, immaturity of a fruit of the Spirit. Catholics refer to them as venial sins. Transgressions is another name for sin, both being an outward action against the Ten Commandments. However, iniquity is the inner cause of sin. Iniquity is of the heart.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Oh there are plenty who speak on “imputed righteousness”, but there are at least a few who don’t buy it.

I had thought it was only for Old Testament saints who trusted God without having the Spirit in them. But I now see it is for Christians also.

What I disapprove of are the active sinners who claim to have the imputed righteousness of Christ. They are lying to themselves.

Romans 6:
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be [a]done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been [b]freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I had thought it was only for Old Testament saints who trusted God without having the Spirit in them. But I now see it is for Christians also.

Well…no. Even in the OT, God said a man had done the right thing/done righteously to TRUST Him. He never, ever said a man had done righteously who had not actually DONE what was right in Gods sight.
It’s a really bad and exceedingly harmful doctrine this “imputed” righteousness. It’s not even in the Bible. It’s kind of crazy…

It makes men who aren’t righteous (let alone as righteous as Jesus ) condemn men often more righteous than THEM. They make sad those God didn’t want to be sad and promise life to wicked men, as the verse says.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Well…no. Even in the OT, God said a man had done the right thing/done righteously to TRUST Him. He never, ever said a man had done righteously who had not actually DONE what was right in Gods sight.
It’s a really bad and exceedingly harmful doctrine this “imputed” righteousness. It’s not even in the Bible. It’s kind of crazy…

It is found in Romans 4 and 5. Because Abraham obeyed God righteousness was imputed to him. David also. It also point to us.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It is found in Romans 4 and 5. Because Abraham obeyed God righteousness was imputed to him. David also.

Yes, but counting a man as to have done the right thing to trust God does not mean God is imputing His own righteousness onto the man. That’s not what impute means. It means like…I imputed the awful smell to a pair of filthy sneakers lying there. I imputed the car accident to the truck that ran the red light. I don’t impute the awful smell to a bouquet of roses on the table. I don’t impute the accident to someone who DIDNT run the red light. Do you see?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, but counting a man as to have done the right thing to trust God does not mean God is imputing His own righteousness onto the man. That’s not what impute means. It means like…I imputed the awful smell to a pair of filthy sneakers lying there. I imputed the car accident to the truck that ran the red light. I don’t impute the awful smell to a bouquet of roses on the table. I don’t impute the accident to someone who DIDNT run the red light. Do you see?

Who is righteous except God? Of course, it is God's righteousness imputed to him.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Who is righteous except God? Of course, it is God's righteousness imputed to him.

Oh no. I do NOT understand how you arrive at that. At all.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Wait though. I think we justhijacked this thread.

 

[Adam]

Thank you for the prayers. Lately I've been really really tired, and don't have hardly any energy for anything. If I try to watch TV show that I would normally be interested in, I tend to just fall asleep. I don't know what is wrong with me. My boss at work, seems to be having some of the same issues.

May God's blessings for health and vigor be on you

 

[Nancy]

Sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4. IOW, disobeying one of the moral Ten Commandments. Catholics refer to them as mortal sins. 1 John 5:16-17 refers to them as sins unto death. But it also refers to sins NOT unto death. Those are trespasses. IOW, immaturity of a fruit of the Spirit. Catholics refer to them as venial sins. Transgressions is another name for sin, both being an outward action against the Ten Commandments. However, iniquity is the inner cause of sin. Iniquity is of the heart.

Thanks' I copied and pasted it to a notepad and saved it to my desktop.

 

[Nancy]

Hit the trenches dear sister , we are in the last of days now . Let us be in prayer more often
and doing the things of the LORD .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thanks' I copied and pasted it to a notepad and saved it to my desktop.

Glad to help.