I will raise them on the last day.

[rwb]

When a man has part in the literal/physical resurrection of Christ it is through the Spirit of Christ in us. The Spirit of Christ will only be in those who have been born again. When we are born again, we have, through Christ's Spirit in us spiritually entered the Kingdom of God.

If a man believes the eternal life, we receive through the Spirit of Christ in us can be lost, it's because they doubt the truthfulness of Christ who promises the Spirit, He sent to be in believers shall never leave us but will be with us until we receive our immortal resurrected body again from the grave.

Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

John 14:16-17 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Denying eternal security is a fundamental truth of Scripture that comes as a promise from God to whosoever believes in Christ, being born again of His Spirit. And all the promises of God are yes and amen!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Thinking out loud here. I have mentioned this in the past. There are only two resurrection events recorded in Revelation 20. And that Amils have the most important resurrection of all, 2nd to Christ's, missing from Revelation 20 altogether.

LOL!!! Look at what you said here. If this was some kind of valid argument, then I could make a similar type of argument that is even more valid than yours because I can say that Premils have THE most important resurrection missing from Revelation 20 altogether. So, would you take such an argument seriously? I'm sure you would not. So, stop acting as if the type of argument you're making here is one that anyone can take seriously. Try making an actual coherent argument using scripture instead of trying to use weak arguments like this.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, David, this is fulfillment of that which is written in - "Daniel 12:1 (YLT) "And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book."

I believe our understanding of Rev 12 is benefitted using the literal translation (Young's Literal Translation) without inserting bias from the translators.

Revelation 12:7-9 (YLT) And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven; and the great dragon was cast forth--the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world--he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.

Why do I believe the literal translators have it right, while other translators have interpreted 'messenger' as angel is wrong and shows bias? Because angelos in the Greek and malak in the Hebrew languages always primarily means 'messenger'. However, as the definitions also show 'messenger' might also be translated an angel, which as I've already shown you are ministering spirits from God sent to minister to heirs of salvation.

ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os - from ἀγγέλλω angéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

מֲלְאָךְ mălʼâk, mal-awk' - from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

Understanding Rev 12 through the literal translation we don't confuse Michael and his messengers, spirit beings called angels of God, with the messengers, spirits called devils/demons/adversary of the dragon (Satan). The battle being waged is between the spiritual forces of good verses the spiritual forces of evil. Angels, spirits sent from God do NOT fight against God. Calling the messengers of the dragon angels adds to the misunderstanding of Satan being a fallen angel of God, where Scripture shows Satan has never been a ministering spirit called angel of God.

Satan is the Chief Fallen Angel = the Arch Angel that was given great power and authority = until he SINNED

‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:a
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire,b turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

These attributes were not given to Adam
a.) Adam was only in the Garden =Adam never was on the Mount of GOD
b.) Adam never received in his being/body "every kind of precious stone" "diamond, topaz, gold etc
c.) Adam was created a man in flesh/blood from the dust - whereas lucifer/satan is spirit
d.) Only Lucifer/Satan was created as a Guardian Cherub - never was Adam designated as such
e.) Only Lucifer/Satan walked among the firey stones - Adam would of perished because he is flesh
f.) GOD creation begins without sin = Adam and Lucifer/Satan was created without sin

Since Adam and Lucifer/Satan were created without sin = who sinned FIRST??? = Lucifer, and his name was changed to Satan

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jn 5 teaches believers in Jesus, pass from death to life the moment they believe. We have the assurance of not coming into judgment of condemnation of the second death lake of fire NOW.
Your interpretation of Rev20 makes a mockery of that truth by suggesting that a physical resurrection brings about that assurance.

Exactly! But, does he understand that? Of course not. Based on what is written in Revelation 20:6, whatever having part in the first resurrection means, the result of it is that it makes the second death have no power over someone. Is it the bodily resurrection from the dead that makes the second death no longer have power over someone? No! As you pointed out, John 5 (verses 24-25) teaches that those who put their faith in Jesus pass from death to life the moment they believe. So, the moment that someone believes and is saved is when the second death has no power over them.

It doesn't require a bodily resurrection to make it so that the second death no longer has power over you. In that case, how can those who are alive and remain when Jesus comes avoid the second death? If having part in the first resurrection was about being bodily resurrected, then those who are alive and remain would not have part in the first resurrection since they are not dead and won't be resurrected and the second death would still have power over them . But, the reality is that the second death has no power over anyone, dead or alive, who is in Christ right now. That means anyone who is in Christ right now has had part in the first resurrection. And we have because having part in the first resurrection means we have had part in the resurrection of the One who was first to be resurrected unto bodily immortality (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20) by way of believing in Him and passing from spiritual death to spiritual life.

We are physically raised the last day, while those who reject salvation are condemned the last day. JN 6 and JN 12.

Paul confirms this...,
2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day , and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted.

Absolutely. That is how to interpret scripture with scripture, which Premils have little understanding about.

 

[amigo de christo]

Satan is the Chief Fallen Angel = the Arch Angel that was given great power and authority = until he SINNED

‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:a
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire,b turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

These attributes were not given to Adam
a.) Adam was only in the Garden =Adam never was on the Mount of GOD
b.) Adam never received in his being/body "every kind of precious stone" "diamond, topaz, gold etc
c.) Adam was created a man in flesh/blood from the dust - whereas lucifer/satan is spirit
d.) Only Lucifer/Satan was created as a Guardian Cherub - never was Adam designated as such
e.) Only Lucifer/Satan walked among the firey stones - Adam would of perished because he is flesh
f.) GOD creation begins without sin = Adam and Lucifer/Satan was created without sin

Since Adam and Lucifer/Satan were created without sin = who sinned FIRST??? = Lucifer, and his name was changed to Satan

Trenches time . The hour is late and respect of persons is great .
But notice they ONLY respect the one who brings them their tickled ears desires .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly what was stated to you in my posts = CHRIST is the First Resurrection = All who are in CHRIST

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive = FIRST Resurrection = Rev 20:4-6

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

Paul taught that next in order after Christ's first resurrection is the resurrection of those who belong to Him (1 Cor 15:22-23). So, that resurrection is NOT the first resurrection. Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

 

[amigo de christo]

Beware and be on gaurd and be diligent .
The strange and diverse inclusive god prowls about seeking
whom he may deliver from death to the second death . He cannot free the dead in bondage
but he will surely feed their lustful hearts desires and make them beleive he is the way , the truth and the life .
But he is the way to the second death , the father of lies and twister of truth and the bringer of second death to all
who remain trapped in his darkness that he calleth light .

 

[Scott Downey]

Right. They were not the first resurrection because the first resurrection is the first resurrection of a certain type, which is the resurrection unto bodily immortality. According to scripture (does anyone here care about what scripture says about this?), Jesus Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection. Revelation 20 should be understood accordingly. Having part in the first resurrection means to have part in Christ's resurrection.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Having part in the first resurrection:

Colossians 2: buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Romans 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life....10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yes, people who were raised from the dead back in Jesus day were not glorified, they got their old bodies back which did die again.

But if we are raised with Christ as believers in Him, then our life is hidden with Christ in God and we appear with Him at His second coming in glory.

Col 3
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

"For you died" so then we are ressurectable to GLORY, we shall all be change, living or dead at the second coming

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

Paul taught that next in order after Christ's first resurrection is the resurrection of those who belong to Him (1 Cor 15:22-23). So, that resurrection is NOT the first resurrection. Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

AGREE = ALL who are in CHRIST are part of His Resurrection which is the First Resurrection = CHRIST the FIRST-Fruits of THOSE

Who did Paul say are "THOSE"

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, people who were raised from the dead back in Jesus day were not glorified, they got their old bodies back which did die again.

But if we are raised with Christ as believers in Him, then our life is hidden with Christ in God and we appear with Him at His second coming in glory.

Col 3
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

You surely aint trying to say that about the event recorded in mathew twenty and seven .
Oh i truly pray you were not talking about these .
What bodies . the saints that slept , like david and others
WHO AROSE after JESUS RESSURECTION , them old bodies were already corrupted and bones .
THEY were not raised in them old b odies again my friend . I SURE hope it was not these you were speaking about .

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

ALL BELIEVERS, living or dead referring to the body, Christ will raise up and they will be glorified together with Him, at His second coming. One of the false ideas believed by the typical premill is living believers who are alive when Christ comes a second time are not glorified but remain as flesh and blood creatures. It is a significant requirement the the pre mill as they require marriages and babies to be born to replenish the existant 'old' 'original' earth. And the non glorified still in the earthly body saints will procreate.

All of that is 'nonsensical' though, and does not agree with Paul or Christ's teachings about the resurrection.

 

[amigo de christo]

Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

Paul taught that next in order after Christ's first resurrection is the resurrection of those who belong to Him (1 Cor 15:22-23). So, that resurrection is NOT the first resurrection. Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

What i say to one i say to all .
JESUS HIMSELF ...............
i say again
JESUS HIMSELF
oh let it be said again
JESUS HIMSELF ................IS THE RESSURECTION and THE LIFE .
And all who reject him shall only be ressurected unto ..............THE SECOND death.
So lets never kiss korans and budda statues
lets not ever once s upport these who lead in that interfaith harlots pipe led mad house ecumenical pile of
Feel free to fill in that last word , JUST make sure its nothing good or perhaps too four letter it cannot be read by others .
BUT KNOW THIS , THAT WHORE IS A LIAR and all who entered and do enter into and support in any
way any one who supports such an ecumenical interfaith move
WELL they gonna wail on THE DAY OF JESUS and that is a fact . EXPOSING TIME . cause that is What the LIGHT does .
LIGHT dont find COMMON GROUND with darkness , IT EXPOSES the darkness . SO ON THOSE FEET
and let none who name the name OF JESUS Ever again support these folks , WHICH BOTH SIDES already are doing
its bidding .

 

[Scott Downey]

You surely aint trying to say that about the event recorded in mathew twenty and seven .
Oh i truly pray you were not talking about these .
What bodies . the saints that slept , like david and others
WHO AROSE after JESUS RESSURECTION , them old bodies were already corrupted and bones .
THEY were not raised in them old b odies again my friend . I SURE hope it was not these you were speaking about .

All of those OT saints who came out of the tombs, when Christ died, I don't know what happened to them. No one does as scripture barely mentions anything about them. They either went back to the grave to await the resurrection or they ascended with Christ when He went back to the Father, which if they did no one wrote that down.

They were a miraculous sign testifying to how Christ is the resurrection and the life. And because He died we could have life.

 

[amigo de christo]

GOD IS LIFE and IN HIM IS LIFE
HE IS TRUTH and HIS EVERY WORD is TRUTH .
HE created all that is
In the beginning GOD said let there be light and there was light and GOD saw that the LIGHT was GOOD .
I have come to FINISH the works of MY FATHER
and JESUS HAS SHINED INTO OUR HEARTS THE LIGHT of GOD , to free us from the darkness .
ALL things were created BY HIM
REMEMBER THAT that the next time these whore loving ecumenical interfaithers preach THEIR DUNG LIE .
I dont and wont and shant heed an anti christ .
THE SHEEP have overcome them for greater IS CHRIST that is in them
than ANTI CHRIST and his many who are of the world .
BIBLE TIME .

 

[David in NJ]

What i say to one i say to all .
JESUS HIMSELF ...............
i say again
JESUS HIMSELF
oh let it be said again
JESUS HIMSELF ................IS THE RESSURECTION and THE LIFE .
And all who reject him shall only be ressurected unto ..............THE SECOND death.
So lets never kiss korans and budda statues
lets not ever once s upport these who lead in that interfaith harlots pipe led mad house ecumenical pile of
Feel free to fill in that last word , JUST make sure its nothing good or perhaps too four letter it cannot be read by others .
BUT KNOW THIS , THAT WHORE IS A LIAR and all who entered and do enter into and support in any
way any one who supports such an ecumenical interfaith move
WELL they gonna wail on THE DAY OF JESUS and that is a fact . EXPOSING TIME . cause that is What the LIGHT does .
LIGHT dont find COMMON GROUND with darkness , IT EXPOSES the darkness . SO ON THOSE FEET
and let none who name the name OF JESUS Ever again support these folks , WHICH BOTH SIDES already are doing
its bidding .

LORD JESUS CHRIST
Before Abraham IAM
IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE
IAM the Resurrection
No one comes to the FATHER but thru ME = ever since the LORD created Adam
IAM the ALPHA and the OMEGA, the BEGINNING and the END
LORD GOD ALMIGHTY who is to Come = JESUS is Coming
"Lo, it is Written in the Volume(Beginning and End) of the Book(all Scripture) "I Come to do Thy Will"
"This is the Will of Him who sent ME, to Raise UP all that who been given to ME at the Last Day"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I submitted the following to Chatgpt.

Me:

Some Amils, if not all Amils, argue this. Verse 4 used this Greek word---zao---and that verse 5 used this Greek word---anazao. Therefore, lived again can't be meant in verse 4. Because if it meant lived again in verse 4, anazao would have been used instead.
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Chatgpt:

Excellent — that’s a **classic Amillennial argument**, and you’re absolutely right to examine it carefully. Their claim goes like this:

> Because Revelation 20:4 uses *zao* (“they lived”) and Revelation 20:5 uses *anazao* (“lived again”), John must be distinguishing two different kinds of “life.” Therefore, verse 4 can’t describe a *bodily* resurrection.

It sounds plausible at first — but when you look at the **Greek usage**, **context**, and **biblical parallels**, that argument doesn’t actually hold up. Let’s unpack it carefully and textually.

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## The Greek Words in Question

### **Revelation 20:4**

> *καὶ ἔζησαν καὶ ἐβασίλευσαν μετὰ τοῦ Χριστοῦ χίλια ἔτη*
> “And they **lived** (*ezēsan*, from *zaō*) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

### **Revelation 20:5**

> *οἱ λοιποὶ τῶν νεκρῶν οὐκ ἔζησαν ἄχρι τελεσθῇ τὰ χίλια ἔτη*
> “But the rest of the dead **lived not again** (*ouk ezēsan*) until the thousand years were finished.”

**Important observation:** verse 5 actually **does not contain the verb *anazaō*** at all in the oldest Greek manuscripts.
Both verses use the same root verb **ζάω (*zaō*)**, meaning *to live*.
The “again” in “lived again” is an **English translator’s addition**, not part of the Greek word itself.

So, the entire Amil argument built on *zaō vs anazaō* collapses linguistically — the text doesn’t contrast two different verbs.

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## Lexical Range of *Zaō* (ζάω)

*Zaō* simply means *to live, to come to life, to be alive*.
Its nuance depends entirely on context:

* **Romans 14:9:** “Christ died and **lived again** (*ezēsen*).” — here it clearly means *was resurrected*.
* **Revelation 2:8:** “These are the words of the First and the Last, who was dead and **came to life** (*ezēsen*).”
* **Revelation 13:14:** speaks of the beast “that was wounded by the sword and **lived** (*ezēsen*).” — again, *came back to life*.

So *zaō* by itself easily carries the sense of **resurrection**; it doesn’t require the prefix *ana-* to express “living again.”

Therefore, in Revelation 20:4–5, the natural reading is:

> “They came to life and reigned with Christ… but the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.”

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## Why *Ana-zao* Doesn’t Help the Amil Case Anyway

The compound *anazaō* (“to live again”) appears **only once** in the New Testament — **Romans 7:9**:

> “When the commandment came, sin *revived* (*anēzēsen*) and I died.”

There it means “to come alive again” metaphorically (sin revived). It’s never used for resurrection in the New Testament or Septuagint.

So if John had used *anazaō* in Revelation 20, it actually would have made the sentence *less* natural for describing resurrection. *Zaō* is the standard resurrection verb throughout the book.

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## ️ The Context Demands the Same Type of “Life”

Both clauses use *ezēsan* in **identical syntactical positions**:

| Verse | Subject | Verb | Complement |
| ----- | ---------------------------------- | ------------ | ------------------------------------------ |
| 20:4 | Those who were beheaded for Christ | *ezēsan* | “and reigned with Christ a thousand years” |
| 20:5 | The rest of the dead | *ouk ezēsan* | “until the thousand years were finished” |

That’s a clear **parallel contrast**:

> those who came to life → the rest of the dead did not come to life.

If you make the first “came to life” spiritual and the second bodily, you destroy John’s parallelism. Both must refer to the same kind of event — **bodily life** after death.

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## Linguistic and Contextual Summary

| Claim | Evidence | Result |
| ------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------ | ------------------------------ |
| *Verse 4 uses zaō; verse 5 uses anazaō* | False — both use *zaō* | The Amil distinction collapses |
| *Zaō cannot mean “live again”* | Contradicted by Romans 14:9; Rev 2:8 | *Zaō* often means resurrection |
| *Context distinguishes spiritual vs. bodily life* | Both clauses parallel each other | Both must be bodily |

---

How do you think this supports your case? Even if the word anazao is not actually used in Revelation 20:5, as whatever source ChatGPT is pulling from claims, the fact is that the word zao simply means to live or to be alive. There is nothing about the word in and of itself which indicates whether it's referring to spiritual or physical life. Notice that even this ChatGPT feedback indicates that the word "again" is added by the translators where it says they lived again.

Also, one thing this ChatGPT feedback says is absolutely false. Why you assume everything it says is true is beyond me. Ask ChatGPT how old the earth is and tell me if you think it's response is true. In this ChatGPT response you shared here, it said "*Zaō* simply means *to live, to come to life, to be alive*.". Wrong! It means to live or to be alive. It does NOT mean to come to life. The word "anazao" and other words mean to come to life, but not zao. It never means that. It can be used in association with living again or coming to life, but if you look at how the word is used in scripture, you can see that it always refers to people living their lives or to them being alive. It can refer to someone being alive who was once dead, like it does in Revelation 2:8.

But, as for Revelation 2:8, don't you normally use the KJV? That translation says that Jesus was dead and is alive. It doesn't say Jesus was dead and came to life. Revelation 2:8 is talking about Jesus currently being alive at the time it was written after He had previously been dead at some point before that, proving that He had been resurrected at some point (which we know was 3 days after He died). That verse is not referring to His resurrection specifically, it is referring to the fact that He is alive now and not dead.

 

[Scott Downey]

AGREE = ALL who are in CHRIST are part of His Resurrection which is the First Resurrection = CHRIST the FIRST-Fruits of THOSE

Who did Paul say are "THOSE"

Have you or any, perhaps considered how this confirms the Amill or 'Realized Millennial' view?

" and raised us up together, "

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus

Showing that the saints are alive with Him in Heaven right now with Christ, SEATED in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and reign there with Him right now? (Seated on thrones)

 

[Davidpt]

If you are referring to “Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle,” this event occurs after Christ’s return and the judgment of God’s house. It is Christ and the saints who deliver Jerusalem from their enemies (King of the North), and it happens before the beginning of Christ’s reign on earth. The second resurrection takes place after the final rebellion when sin and death are swallowed up for good.

You are saying this below, correct? If yes, then there is nothing that I can see that I might disagree with. Therefore, it appears that we are maybe on the same page here.

1) “Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle,”, is the final rebellion that occurs after the millennium during satan's little season after Christ had returned a thousand years earlier

2) the judgment of God’s house---this occurs at the beginning of the millennium, or maybe just prior to the beginning of it.

3) It is Christ and the saints who deliver Jerusalem from their enemies (King of the North), and it happens before the beginning of Christ’s reign on earth---it's obvious what you are meaning here.

4) The second resurrection takes place after the final rebellion when sin and death are swallowed up for good---meaning after Revelation 20:1-10 have been fulfilled first. Therefore, a thousand years and a little season later post that of Christ's return. Thus the 2nd resurrection involves Revelation 20:11-15.

 

[amigo de christo]

All of those OT saints who came out of the tombs, when Christ died, I don't know what happened to them. No one does as scripture barely mentions anything about them. They either went back to the grave to await the resurrection or they ascended with Christ when He went back to the Father, which if they did no one wrote that down.

They were a miraculous sign testifying to how Christ is the resurrection and the life. And because He died we could have life.

Please it obvious . These had slept in the dust
TILL HE who IS THE RESSURECTION was RESSURECTED .
DEATH has been DEFEATED .
And sadly many seem to not desire to COME to HE WHO did all that was required for us to be saved and
to have THIS ETERNAL LIFE .
that now , IN HIM we shall NEVER DIE . to be absent from the body is to only be present with
THE KING WHO SAVED us .
HE has tasted death for us . And all who slept
who had looked for THIS COMIN G savoir , amongst WHOM was david WHO DID PROPHESY OF HIM
arose ON THE DAY OF HIS RESSURECTION . HE IS THE LIFE , THE WAY and THE TRUTH .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

AGREE = ALL who are in CHRIST are part of His Resurrection which is the First Resurrection = CHRIST the FIRST-Fruits of THOSE

Who did Paul say are "THOSE"

You say you agree, but I'm not sure exactly what you are agreeing with. I am saying that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection. Do you agree with that? That's what verses like Acts 26:23 and 1 Corinthians 15:20 indicate. And I am saying that we have part in His resurrection (the first resurrection) when we are spiritually saved, as passages like Colossians 2:12-13 talk about. Do you agree with that? What I am NOT saying is that the first resurrection has anything to do with the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ when He comes again. Do you agree with that?