IF YE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH
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Michiah-Imla
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Are you blind?
I provided scripture in this thread, but it’s as if those scriptures do not exist in your falsely indoctrinated mind…
Michiah-Imla
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It’s amusing how any scripture that contradicts your man made beliefs is “to the Jews”.
Let me remind you who this epistle was written to:
“To ALL that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 1:7, KJV)
Are you not a saint?
Michiah-Imla
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Sister-n-Christ
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Well,you're not telling the truth about having read the Bible many times.
You think I'm following a man made belief because you aren't actually versed in the scriptures.
And just so you know,and so you don't mess up in future poses. JESUS WAS A JEW! And he said, I was sent only for the list sheep of the house of Israel.
Bye.
Sister-n-Christ
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You're going to have a problem there. Michigan isn't equipped.
Their first fault as I just learned is, they have an issue with Jews.
Big Boy Johnson
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Did you ever see what the Lord said thru Paul?
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
To the Jew first, but also to the non-Jews as well.
Just so you'll know, people that are not Jews can in fact get born again
If we had a scriptural discussion you would discover I dont follow Calvin
Some people like to throw out that Calvin word on anything even minutely related to the election by God
1 Thess 4
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
Because they believed the message which proved God elected them to salvation.
Proof of salvation is in our very belief because of our being elected, granted, chosen, etc... by God, and our suffering for that.
While those who are adversaries, persecute, abuse, torment Christians is proof of their perdition, (destination hellfire)
Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.
29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.
These things are of God.
Big Boy Johnson
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A lot of people say that not knowing they have been heavily influenced by the teachings of calvin.
Most churches have been heavily influenced by the teachings of calvin and many of them claim they are not calvinist
Will you not provide scriptures to uphold your belief that the Gentiles are in the remnant
Big Boy Johnson
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Sister-n-Christ
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That lame groundless accusation,"Calvinism" , is always the fallback when those who don't actually know the scriptures find themselves flummoxed by those who do.
It's pathetic. And also because those who accuse us know nothing about Calvinism, it's also kind of amusing. Because their accusation doubles down on the fact they also cannot rightly understand Scripture.
Big Boy Johnson
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That's the same thing the catholics always say if someone does not agree with the catholics, claiming "but you just don't understand us"
God has called people to follow HIM, not calvin or the catholics so actual Christians study God's Word and pay attention to what God says being taught by the Holy Spirit Who is the Teacher Jesus sent.
Jesus did not send calvin or the catholics to teach anybody, that was the devil doing that
Michiah-Imla
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Look, the scriptures I provided explain the matter clearly.
I’m not joining you into whatever rabbit hole false doctrine you been corrupted with…
You were replying to me saying........Will you not provide scriptures to uphold your belief that the Gentiles are in the remnant
I dont recall me saying this.....I tried tracing it back and still am at a loss
The Gentiles have been placed into the believing remnant (see Acts 10) Thats who are placed into the olive tree in Romans 11. The grafted in branches are Gentiles who believed the preaching of Peter and the disciples
Very well but just so you know (you did initiate this)........... Romans 9 thru 11 is about the remnant of believing Israel NOT about the body of Christ
There were Gentiles placed into the believing remnant (see Acts 10) These Gentiles were placed into the olive tree in Romans 11. The grafted in branches are Gentiles who believed the preaching of Peter and the disciples. Paul was not saying Gentiles in the body of Christ were grafted in. Paul said there was a remnant at the time he wrote Romans.......believing Israel is that remnant
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
Yes, as it says, God has not abandoned His people whom He has foreknown
His people really do get saved,
There are people Christ says He NEVER KNEW, they don't get saved, they were not His people, not all Israel is 'of Israel'. His people are identified as the ones who believe in Christ. And we are all saved by grace if we are saved.
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Romans 11
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
The trick to understanding this, is the phrase 'His People'
All His people get saved, they are not cast away.
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
As in this here, what Jesus states.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
This is by the GRACE of God that you were granted to believe in His Son.
All His people get saved, they are not cast away.
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
As in this here, what Jesus states.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
This is by the GRACE of God that you were granted to believe in His Son.
