Iran vs Israel | Gog and Magog War?

[TribulationSigns]

Your response shows that (a) you have no idea of what my views are about what you call "modern-day political Israel" and whether or not anyone who is not in Christ but calls himself by the name of Jacob (Israel) is indeed part of Israel, but (b) you also show your lack of spiritual discernment up by proving yet again that you do not understand what God expects of His people (notice I said His people) . So I'll say it once more, for the sake of those who do indeed have ears to hear:

In a day when extreme forms of evil and cruelty are committed openly and brazenly, and those who do so boast about it in their arrogance and cynicism, then know that:

The judgment of the Almighty God
is upon those who call evil "good" and good "evil";
who put darkness for light and light for darkness;
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Their throat is an open sepulchre;
with their tongues they have used deceit;
the poison of asps is under their lips.
Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.
Their feet are swift to shed blood.
Destruction and misery are in their ways,
and the way of peace have they not known.

(They prove that) there is no (real and true) fear of God before their eyes.
(Isaiah 5:20 and Romans 3:13-18).​

Do not join them or support them so that God does not hold you guilty or complicit in their evil.

It is not insensitivity—it is correction. And yes, I say plainly: it is a misapplication of Scripture on your part. The Nation Israel you and others are trying to insert into end-time prophecy is NOT the Israel God is speaking about. You are confusing the natural with the spiritual.

When I said that people have the wrong Israel, I meant exactly what Paul taught: “They are not all Israel who are of Israel” (Romans 9:6). The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that the true Israel is not defined by ethnicity or borders, but by faith in Christ—the remnant according to the election of grace (Romans 11:5), and the one new man in Christ (Ephesians 2:14-16).

You can throw Isaiah 5:20 or Romans 3:13–18 at me all day long, but they don’t apply here. Correcting your flawed theology isn’t evil, and exposing error isn’t oppression—it’s faithfulness. As Paul said, “Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16).

Truth is not subject to national loyalty or emotional reaction. The Church—the body of Christ—is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16), and that is where prophecy finds its true fulfillment where Satan and his armies of false prophets and christs are coming after with their lying signs and wonders that deceive those (within the congregation) who have not yet sealed by God. Not coming after national Israel with tanks and missiles. Selah!

 

[Zao is life]

The Nation Israel you and others are trying to insert into end-time prophecy is NOT the Israel God is speaking about. You are confusing the natural with the spiritual.

Not that in this case it's spiritual discernment, but your lack of discernment is showing again. Almost everyone who posts in these boards except you knows that I do not speak "with" others who try and insert the Gog-Magog rebellion into what is happening with what you aptly called "modern-day political Israel",

and everyone else seems to know that I do not buy the false accusation of "Replacement Theology" leveled by those who seek to replace the Israel of God with another Israel which is not part of the only Israel of God, because it is broken off in its unbelief.

My point has nothing to do with who is 'Israel' in God's eyes. FYI IMO "Israel" has everything to do with where God's Temple is to be found, because God's Temple is IN Israel, and the citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel.

My point is that you say that anyone who disagrees with you is carnal and lacks wisdom and spiritual discernment though you yourself do not know where, when and how the Gog-Magog prophecy fits. Is this because you yourself lack the spiritual discernment to know?

So when you debate these biblical issues it helps you - aside from everyone else - if you could drop both the belief - and the pride which is at the bottom of it - that is the foundation of your continuous accusations that whoever disagrees with you is "carnal", "lacks wisdom and spiritual discernment" etc etc.

 

[TribulationSigns]

My point has nothing to do with who is 'Israel' in God's eyes. FYI IMO "Israel" has everything to do with where God's Temple is to be found, because God's Temple is IN Israel, and the citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel.

Listen…do you believe that God’s temple is NOT in Israel...in the Middle East today, or ever will be? Yes or No?

 

[Zao is life]

Listen…do you believe that God’s temple is NOT in Israel...in the Middle East today, or ever will be? Yes or No?

You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.

I said "The citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel", and I said, "God's Temple is IN Israel". No one else would ask me where I think God's Temple is, nor where I think the Israel of God is.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.

I said "The citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel", and I said, "God's Temple is IN Israel". No one else would ask me where I think God's Temple is, nor where I think the Israel of God is.

No, I just wanted to force you to clarify what you were saying. My posts were directed at premillennialists at large, so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

Thank you. :-)

 

[Zao is life]

No, I just wanted to force you to clarify what you were saying. My posts were directed at premillennialists at large, so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

Thank you. :-)

I'm a Premillennialist. You're conflating things again.

All Dispensationalists are Premillennialists but not all Premillennialists are Dispensationalists.

All Preterists are Amillennialists but not all Amillennialists are Preterists.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm a Premillennialist.

I thought so. :) I rest my case.

 

[ewq1938]

All Preterists are Amillennialists but not all Amillennialists are Preterists.

I think it's the other way around.