Is Gal 1:8 and 9 mis-understood ??

[dan p]

Hi to all , and I just have to repond to all who say it means one Gospel , which it does not even come close to that Interpretation at all .

Paul has never , since being saved , in Rom 1:1 and Acts 9:6 , EVER preached the Gospel of the Kingdom or went back to teach the Law of Moses or ever be a Pharisee again as Acts 21 , reveals .

Gal 1:9 reads , " As " WE HAVE SAID BEFOREHAND " , I say also just now again , Since someone is preaching the Gospel to you contrary to what you RECEIVED , let him be accursed ,


#1 , The Greek word for the words " WE SAID BEFORE " is PROEREO , amd means " formerly , to say before ".

This verb " PROEREO " is in the Greek Perefect Tense and means a PAST ACTION with the results Continuing into the Present time .

" FORMERLY " refers to when Paul started these Assemblies and WARNED this could happen .

Paul also warned the assembly at Ephesus in Acts 20:29-30 .

#2 , The Greek word for " RECEIVED " is PARALAMBANO , and means " to receive something transmitted " and is used 2 times in Gal 1:9and 12 .

#3 , What this means is that these assemblies DID RECEIVE Paul's message of GRACE and then TURNED their backs on it because of the Kingdom preachers .

This to me means that they FELL from Grace and FELL back an believed the Law of Moses again .

#4 , This is what is being ACCURSED , FALLING from Grace and teaching the Law of Moses is what this is all about, and NOT ONE GOSPEL .

#5 , Yet , I believe in only ONE GOSPEL for today , the Dispensation of the Grace of God as Paul has written in Eph 3:1-9 and Rom 16:25 !

#6, And even Paul mentions 3 Gospels in Galatians and the Message of Grace that Paul preached is described 9 different ways , like he calls it MY GOSPEL , GOSPEL OF THE UNCICUMCISION , just to mention 2 , dan p

 

[Vengle]

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

1 Thessalonians 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5 ¶Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

2 Timothy 4:1 ¶I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

 

[dan p]

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

1 Thessalonians 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:5 ¶Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

2 Timothy 4:1 ¶I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Hi , and those are good verses , but how do they explain Gal 1:8 and 9 , for the Gospel of Gal 1:9 is called the Gospel of Grace and will never be connected to the Gospel nor was it ever preached by the 12 apostles , dan p

 

[Vengle]

Hi , and those are good verses , but how do they explain Gal 1:8 and 9 , for the Gospel of Gal 1:9 is called the Gospel of Grace and will never be connected to the Gospel nor was it ever preached by the 12 apostles , dan p

The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are just different names for the same gospel of Christ. Gospel means "good news" and that is what Jesus taught; the good news of the kingdom.

Mark 1:14 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"

And that is what Paul taught as those scriptures prove. Paul referred to the same gospel often using different names for it. he called it the gospel of grace, the gospel of God, the gospel of God's Son, the gospel of Christ, and the gospel of peace.

These are all the one gospel that all of the gospel books said would be preached to the world, which is what Paul was doing.

You have an idea in your head that strains at gnats and has no sound basis.

Sorry, but that is the truth. Ponder the gospel books more and see if you cannot see that it is the same thing Paul taught.

Paul merely had his eyes open like a late birth (1 Corinthians 15: 3-10; Galatians 1:15) from the anti-typical Hagar fleshly Jerusalem's womb wherein he advanced in Judaism unto the heavenly Jerusalem were he continued in the gospel of the kingdom by the grace of God. (See Galatians 4: 19-31 about what I said about the anti-typical Hagar who is Jerusalem below in slavery with her children and the free woman who is Jerusalem above.)

That Jerusalem above is the kingdom of heaven. Paul's transfer away from bondage in the Jerusalem below to the free woman above was the operation of grace for all of the Apostles and anyone that enters the New Covenant. Being as the law had sealed all in the sentence for disobedience it takes grace for anyone to enter the kingdom of God. So it can be called also the gospel of grace.

 

[dan p]

The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are just different names for the same gospel of Christ. Gospel means "good news" and that is what Jesus taught; the good news of the kingdom.

Hi , and where is a verse that says the " Gospel of the Kingdom " and the " Gospel of the Grace of God " are the same ??

Are we in Kingdom o0f Heaven OR are we in the Body of Christ ??

dan p

 

[Vengle]

Hi , and where is a verse that says the " Gospel of the Kingdom " and the " Gospel of the Grace of God " are the same ??

Are we in Kingdom o0f Heaven OR are we in the Body of Christ ??

dan p

If everything must be spelled out for you in written word then you are yet under the old Law by letter.

Hebrews 5:14

That is something you must be capable of comprehending through the bulk of that which is written.

 

[dan p]

If everything must be spelled out for you in written word then you are yet under the old Law by letter.

Hebrews 5:14

That is something you must be capable of comprehending through the bulk of that which is written.

Hi , so that means you do NOT have a verse to hang your hat on , thank you , dan p

 

[Jake]

Hi , and where is a verse that says the " Gospel of the Kingdom " and the " Gospel of the Grace of God " are the same ??

Are we in Kingdom o0f Heaven OR are we in the Body of Christ ??

dan p

We are not IN the Body of Christ we ARE the Body of Christ, each one of us make up a different part - the collected parts is the Church.
Luke 17 (KJV)
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

In Acts Paul wrote Acts 28:31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance.

Revelation 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people.

Dan.....eternal means eternal, it's one gospel forever.

 

[Vengle]

Hi , so that means you do NOT have a verse to hang your hat on , thank you , dan p

it means I disavow myself of the game you are playing. You have no desire to reason.

Be in peace.

 

[Insight]

The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace are just different names for the same gospel of Christ. Gospel means "good news" and that is what Jesus taught; the good news of the kingdom.

Mark 1:14 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,"

And that is what Paul taught as those scriptures prove. Paul referred to the same gospel often using different names for it. he called it the gospel of grace, the gospel of God, the gospel of God's Son, the gospel of Christ, and the gospel of peace.

These are all the one gospel that all of the gospel books said would be preached to the world, which is what Paul was doing.

You have an idea in your head that strains at gnats and has no sound basis.

Sorry, but that is the truth. Ponder the gospel books more and see if you cannot see that it is the same thing Paul taught.

Truth

 

[thisistheendtimes]

The following illustrates why Paul spoke against "sectas perditionis" (look up the word "sect" in scripture).

Acts 11:26... "and in Antioch, the disciples were first called Christians". Acts 9:2 (who SAUL persecuted) "that if he found any belonging to THE WAY, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem".

Acts 19:9 "but when some were stubborn and disbelieved, speaking evil of THE WAY before the congregation".

Act 24:22 "But Felix, having a rather accurate knowledge of THE WAY".

The Jews wanted to no longer be of "THE WAY" because they still wanted to follow MOSAIC LAW.

John 14:6 "I am THE WAY...".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Antioch

 

[dan p]

The following illustrates why Paul spoke against "sectas perditionis" (look up the word "sect" in scripture).

Acts 11:26... "and in Antioch, the disciples were first called Christians". Acts 9:2 (who SAUL persecuted) "that if he found any belonging to THE WAY, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem".

Acts 19:9 "but when some were stubborn and disbelieved, speaking evil of THE WAY before the congregation".

Act 24:22 "But Felix, having a rather accurate knowledge of THE WAY".

The Jews wanted to no longer be of "THE WAY" because they still wanted to follow MOSAIC LAW.

John 14:6 "I am THE WAY...".

http://en.wikipedia....dent_at_Antioch

Hi and your post makes more sense than what the 2 above posters have written !!

Most see the words " WAY " and most have mis-understood what the " WAY " MEANS ,

Anyone who reads

 

[thisistheendtimes]

DanP,

Like many believers should, you have had a strong INNER reaction to my previous post because you find TRUTH (REAL truth) attractive (you LOVE the truth, many believers only LIKE getting the truth GIVEN to them). Look how important real genuine truth is.....

2 Thessalonians 2:6 "because they refused to LOVE the truth AND SO be saved".

This is why God put little 'REMARKS'/comments/thoughts/concepts in scripture (food for thought).

God had Pilate say "What is truth?. Pilate was not known to be a 'philosopher type'. Nobody ever really pursued the understanding of this (they simply regard God as MUMBLING/RAMBLING something).

Jesus was declared by the state as being INNOCENT (this is OBJECTIVE/unbiased truth (real truth). Pilate was reffering to the world's preference for BIASED truth (SUBjective/biased truth. Jesus ended up on the cross because of the world's SUBJECTIVE TRUTH....(we have to WANT to learn).

Jesus came in the fulness of time (the completion/end of time). We no longer have MERE EXISTENCE in THE AGE of "time", if we spiritually live inside the body that hung on the cross (John 2:21) as an INNER temple, we have life ("THE life" eternal), and so.... Jesus said....

"I am the Way, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE....".

Every day, we live the present part of our own "eternity". If we have a corrupt mind and a heart of stone towards our fellow human being (a 'hellish' mind), our heart will determine the "destiny" part of our eternity.

If we are good and right and true (Ephesians 5:9) and have a heart of sorrow/love (the Spirit of holiness) and have accepted the blood of Jesus (a 'heavenly' mind), then Jesus will set our eternity in the afterlife "city of God"......

Ezekiel 36:26 "A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh". God wants us to have a heart of "flesh" (the flesh is not innately evil, it is simply the mortal WEAKNESS) that can feel "living water" (like the woman in Luke 7:44)......

1 John 5:8 "There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree".

John 7:38 says that "living water" is necessary for TRUE faith ("neither thirst", Revelation 7:16).

He came by water and blood" (1 John 5:6).

The Holy Spirit uses the "living water" to baptize/consecrate our spirit to the outer temple (Jesus).....BECAUSE...

Romans 8:16 "it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God"......."one spirit, one faith, ONE baptism" (Ephesians 4:5).

Over the centuries, the understanding about the loving kind creator has been taken way out of context (as per satan's leading). A Godly person should not need to be "commanded"/ordered to do goodness, neither should His children resent/fear His correction when and IF God decides it absolutely necessary).

The "depths of God" (for those who have eyes to see what is REALLY in scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:10) are many, but if you also have ears to....

"HEAR His voice" (1 John 2:27,....many have always UNKNOWINGLY heard His voice in their conscience, but exchanged it for 'THE [text] BOOK' like a Pharisee)...

The 'converts' ("proselytes") of the modern day moneychangers become indoctrinated (puppets).

Matthew 23:15 (when Jesus spoke to the "Brood of Vipers" Pharisees. John the baptist also called them that) "twice as much a child of hell as yourselves".

We are not JEWS (they were baptized into MOSES, we are baptized into JESUS, 1 Corinthians 10:2). Spiritually living inside Jesus, we have no gender (spirits in Jesus have no gender, neither male nor female), nor are we a member of Greek civilization (unbeliever, Gentile), and neither is anybody Jewish (Galatians 3:28).

We are "TRUE worshippers" (John 4:23) that worship SPIRITUALLY and in the REAL TRUTH (John 4:23). It used to be a religious law that commandments and rules/"ordinances" must be observed, but Jesus abolished that so that we could live the "law of LIBERTY".

Jesus did not abandon us, so that we would be "FREE"/abandoned, He only set us "free from" the "law" of sin and death)... James 2:12 (also 1:25)....

"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under THE LAW OF LIBERTY" (this is not an OPTION, it is MANDATORY...

...there is no text or guidelines to this "liberty" LAW (it's actually a contradiction of terms as we know them, but it is God's will/desire).

All verses are from the RSV (the ONLY version that I consider sufficient for believers.

Most modern versions have been shamelessly corrupted (not just for political correctness either).....

http://kelschbiblestudy.tripod.com/christ_news/versions/ http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm http://soulliberty.com/View.php?ID=1076 http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Police%20State/501c3.htm

The Lord is now shaking His church ("the heaven")...... "so that what cannot be shaken may remain" (Hebrews 12:27).

 

[thisistheendtimes]

I've realized that some of my verse citations are wrong in my previous post.

I edited it once to add 2 words and the editing removes all of the formatting (I have to redo all of the paragraphs manually and I also couldn't tell where URLs for the links I posted end or where the next URL begins, so instead of re-editing, so I'm posting this to correct the verses that I just noticed. John 10:27 (the JEWS are the "other sheep").

"MY sheep HEAR my Voice" (John 10:27).

John 10:7 and 8

"So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:8 "All who came before me are thieves and robbers".

The "anointing" happens after you have moved on to solid food and when you discover the 'God seed' inside of you (you will then have no need of an earthly spiritual teacher (the anointing becomes 'holy common sense').

 

[dan p]

I've realized that some of my verse citations are wrong in my previous post.

I edited it once to add 2 words and the editing removes all of the formatting (I have to redo all of the paragraphs manually and I also couldn't tell where URLs for the links I posted end or where the next URL begins, so instead of re-editing, so I'm posting this to correct the verses that I just noticed. John 10:27 (the JEWS are the "other sheep").

"MY sheep HEAR my Voice" (John 10:27).

John 10:7 and 8

"So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:8 "All who came before me are thieves and robbers".

The "anointing" happens after you have moved on to solid food and when you discover the 'God seed' inside of you (you will then have no need of an earthly spiritual teacher (the anointing becomes 'holy common sense').

Hi , and I just have to ask you , ARE WE SHEEP , or we part of Christ , which is the Body of Christ or what Paul also says , we are " in Christ " and Jesus nor the 12 apostles you this " Phrase " !!! dan p

 

[THE Gypsy]

Hi , and I just have to ask you , ARE WE SHEEP , or we part of Christ , which is the Body of Christ or what Paul also says , we are " in Christ " and Jesus nor the 12 apostles you this " Phrase " !!! dan p

Wut?

 

[thisistheendtimes]

DanP,

There SHOULD BE absolutely NO CONFUSION. You are making the same mistake virtually all believers have been trained to make.

For nineteen and a half centuries, believers have been trained by the modern "MONEYCHANGERS" (remember that Jesus "overturned" the tables of the "Brood of Vipers" children of hell.....GET THE IDEA?) to IGNORE or RATIONALIZE whatever is not seen as consistent with the common "moneychanger" teachings by pursuing approval from THE BOOK/bible.

Jesus visited towns where He performed miracles and showed who He was, but the townspeople wanted to rationalize many things and seek the approval of the scriptures and priests before they accepted what they really knew to be true (they SAW IT RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES).

Luke 10:13
"Woe to you, Chora'zin! woe to you, Beth-sa'ida! for if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes".

Forget about the apostles, do you want to go to 'apostle heaven' or JESUS HEAVEN?....be a "sheep" that enters by the door......Forget Moses, forget John the baptist, they served their purpose

Jesus said "ALL who came before me are thiefs and robbers"......COMPARATIVELY robbers of the JESUS kingdom.

....always find a way to make Jesus's words true (that is how you find REAL truth).

Ever since John the Baptist preached....

...until the time that Jesus ministered,...

the worshippers would "force" the kingdom of 'holiness' to 'come to them'/their heart...

by using books buildings/temples, rituals/protocol....

Matthew 11:12

"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force".

Are you capable of having a heart of flesh....or are you going to stay a 'walking bible'?