God's perfect plan for humankind created in his image? What kind of a father would do that to his children?
If your children misbehave do you put them in a blazing furnace?
What's your best advice for avoiding that fate? How will you avoid it?
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Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)
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If your children misbehave do you put them in a blazing furnace?
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Carl Emerson
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Not a trace of that - I conclude that you are well meant at heart - but struggle with what His book says about Him.
Born in corruption and subject to the wrong kingdom until we are born again. Doesn't sound much like His Holiness.
Revenge is a sin - taking over God's responsibility.
In the same way I am uncomfortable with the modern trend in some churches to command God to do stuff.
Your concept of God seems to be rather limited because your have for some reason deeply needed the kind face.
In civil life this is appropriate - in war is a different matter. Waring against sin in civil life is His work not ours. We war not against flesh and blood.
Both meanings are OK... - think poorly understood...
You seem to confuse anger and holiness.
Again your concept of God is that He can make mistakes ???
No one can - this underlines His compassion by sending Jesus.
Satan is a fallen being under covenant until judgement - powerless in God's presence.
Yes we are God's children but fully undeserving.
Paul answered much of your questioning in the verse in Romans 9 as follows...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
I have been in a long journey to assimilate all of scripture without contradiction or awkwardness - the peace that comes with this is priceless.
But I had a head start for two reasons - my mind was blown by drugs and such so structures of thinking most folks have were blown away so He had a cleaner slate than most. And secondly He graciously showed up in His Holiness more than once, so I am deeply respectful and in awe of Him.
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One can be holy without being angry. (I hope)
Since God is calling us to be holy (set apart) should we be angry? Not sure that makes sense.
You are a very by-the-book guy. What was the reason for Noah's flood?
Did God regret making humankind? (according to the text) Yes. Sounds like a mistake?
No such thing as apologetics without apology, I suppose.
Doesn't being God's children make us FULLY deserving?
When the prodigal son returned it seemed that he claimed he was undeserving.
How did father respond? A robe and a ring and a feast.
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Carl Emerson
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Anger is not a sin depending on the motive...
Ephesians 4:26
Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
Regarding Noah - the reason for the flood was mans mistakes not God's.
Give man the power to be wicked and you have a catastrophe which is precisely what happened.
Regarding the prodigal's return - the response was not about his behaviours, it was all about who he was.
Same with us - without be seen as righteous through Jesus we are doomed in sin and the consequences are spiritual death.
However He has chosen to see us through Jesus blood as perfect and has adopted us into his family. So agian any reward we get is because of who we are in Him and the degree to which we cooperated with His Spirit to partner in His purposes through us.
I am a 'by the book' kind of guy because when He gave me a second chance He said two things. First 'these are the rails stay on them' (no nonsense) and second 'rebuild your world view by consuming Scripture' - So I have been, and I did.
God of the Bible who burned Sodom ALIVE "making them an example".
No, I'm not God.
Start believing the literal Christian Bible.
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Yes, but you are inferring wrath and revenge on God. Way beyond anger.
Who gave humankind the power to be wicked? And then murdered them for it.
I think that supports my point.
@St. SteVen wrote:
Doesn't being God's children make us FULLY deserving?
When the prodigal son returned it seemed that he claimed he was undeserving.
How did father respond? A robe and a ring and a feast.
AMEN
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Do you really think God needs your permission?
1 Samuel 2:6
6 "The LORD kills and makes alive;
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St. SteVen said:
Do you really believe God is a malevolent tyrant with uncontrollable anger?
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Do you really believe God is a malevolent tyrant with uncontrollable anger?
This is what you wrote.
How is that NOT calling God a malevolent tyrant with uncontrollable anger?
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Stumbled upon a word I rarely see used. Magnanimous.
I sought a complete definition. (see below)
When I found it, I realized that it fit my personal view of God.
God is magnanimous.
Defined as:
Highly moral, especially in showing kindness or forgiveness,
as in overlooking insults or not seeking revenge.
Questions:
- Is God known for showing kindness and forgiveness?
- Is God known for overlooking insults and not seeking revenge? (revenge is a sin)
- Is God easily offended? (a hothead)
- Does God repay evil with good? (as we are expected to)
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I sought a complete definition. (see below)
When I found it, I realized that it fit my personal view of God.
God is magnanimous.
Defined as:
Highly moral, especially in showing kindness or forgiveness,
as in overlooking insults or not seeking revenge.
Questions:
- Is God known for showing kindness and forgiveness?
- Is God known for overlooking insults and not seeking revenge? (revenge is a sin)
- Is God easily offended? (a hothead)
- Does God repay evil with good? (as we are expected to)
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No, but He burns Satan's children FOREVER, like those who deny the eternal Hell!
It's quite simple. STUDY the Bible and believe what it teaches. Jesus is God and Hell is everlasting.
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