Is satan bound by deceiving Christians today?

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As a Christian, after sining have you ever been deceived by satan by thinking that you failed again, aren’t good enough and that God gave up on you?

I have and it’s remembering the message of the gospel that put an end to satan deceiving because Jesus has redeemed me and declared me righteous.

To me belief in the power of the gospel is the great chain that bound satan by deceiving me.
 

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Obviously Jesus has not Returned yet, therefore Satan is still deceiving as many as he can. Revelation 20:1-3
We must stand firm in our faith thru all that must happen before that happens.
 

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Obviously Jesus has not Returned yet, therefore Satan is still deceiving as many as he can. Revelation 20:1-3
We must stand firm in our faith thru all that must happen before that happens.

Yes we must stand firm but the great chain (the gospel) is what binds him. The gospel is what stops satan from deceiving those who choose to believe.
 

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As a Christian, after sining have you ever been deceived by satan by thinking that you failed again, aren’t good enough and that God gave up on you?

I have and it’s remembering the message of the gospel that put an end to satan deceiving because Jesus has redeemed me and declared me righteous.

To me belief in the power of the gospel is the great chain that bound satan by deceiving me.

I don't really want to go into the following depth because of what you said, but I feel I must, because once we have believed on The Father and His Son's death and resurrection, and been baptized, our work as one of His disciples has actually just begun.

In Hebrews 5, Apostle Paul kind of got onto the brethren because of their staying on the 'milk' of salvation principles instead of becoming teachers on the "strong meat" of The Word. Once one believes on Jesus Christ they are to get into and stay in His Word to become one of His disciples (John 8:31-32).

Nothing wrong with feeling joy, peace, and the feeling of having been saved in Jesus Christ, but there's much more work to do than continually dwelling on those feelings (not saying you are doing that, I'm just giving examples). Coming to Christ doesn't mean throwing a party, it means getting down to His Work per His commandments.

And by staying in God's Word, that is one of the most powerful ways to not be deceived by the devil. So can the devil still deceive a believer on Christ Jesus? Yes, if they allow it. How's that? (and this is the hard part I'm going into).

Per Apostle Paul's Epistles, we see where he was continually warning brethren against following and doing evil, and even how some brethren had interpreted liberty in Christ Jesus meaning being allowed to do many things which God's Word is against. So Paul actually rebuked brethren quite a bit for sinning in His Epistles. In 1 Timothy 1, 1 Corinthians 6, and Galatians 5, Paul even pointed to the breaking of God's law as what it means to walk by our flesh, instead of by The Spirit. Many brethren were then still walking by their flesh, even while they believed on Jesus Christ, just as it still is for today with many brethren.

How then, could those brethren be seen as being 'in Christ' while following their flesh? In Acts 20:26-31 Paul even said in the future after he left, wolves would creep in among the brethren and turn some away, and even among themselves some would turn to speaking perverse things and draw followers after them. So Paul said for three years he did not cease from warning them night and day with tears.

So once a believer has come to Faith on Jesus Christ, what did Apostle Paul show about Satan still being able to deceive them?

One of the main ways for a Christian brother/sister to still be deceived by Satan is by NOT staying in God's Word. Just by the examples that Apostle Paul gave us in His Epistles the new babe in Christ ought to quickly come to knowledge about. But if one doesn't discipline theirselves in God's Word, they won't understand that point, and will more easily become deceived.

"Well, as a Christian, I am promised The Holy Spirit, so there's no need for me do a lot of Bible study, The Holy Spirit will guide me," which the latter part of that is true, but not if we just quit listening to the 'urges' by The Holy Spirit warning us. We are given The Holy Spirit to help us understand God's written Word, and thus like Jesus said, if we stay in His Word, then we become His disciples, and the Truth will make us free.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, "If ye continue in My word, then are ye My disciples indeed;


32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

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That very last phrase, "and the truth shall make you free," is often quoted, even by the non-believer sometimes. But it's that part in red which Lord Jesus said that is HOW that truth will make one free. And word "disciples" is from a root word that means 'discipline'.
 

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Here's the other part about deception.

In John 17, Lord Jesus praying to The Father prior to Jesus' being delivered up to be crucified, Jesus points to 2 different groups of believers on Him.

The first group Jesus spoke of there is about His very elect Apostles, His 'sent ones' (which is the meaning of the word 'apostle', to be sent). Jesus said those sent ones belonged to The Father, and The Father gave them to Jesus. We can also see this by recalling that at the start of Christ's Ministry, He came upon His Apostles and commanded them to follow Him. He didn't ask them, He commanded, and they got up and followed Him.

Now those 'sent ones' (Apostles) were a sign of having been 'called and chosen'. A chosen one is a sent one. Lord Jesus even went so far as to say about them that they are not of this world, like Him, not of this world, and that He sent them into this world. That's more evidence of those Apostles being 'sent ones', and chosen, even with Apostle Paul that Lord Jesus converted on the road to Damascus, and called Paul His "chosen vessel" per Acts 9.

Then Lord Jesus prays about a 2nd group of believers, and it's about those who believe on Him through His Apostle's word (i.e., preaching of The Gospel). Then Lord Jesus prays that all believers may become 'one' in Him and in The Father. And thus all are labeled as His elect.

So what about those brethren that abuse the liberty in Christ Jesus, and were still easily deceived by the devil? That has not changed for today either, and won't change all the way up to the day of Christ's future coming.

Thusly, there is a difference... between those Lord Jesus' chosen ones, those of His 'sent ones', for they CANNOT BE DECEIVED.

(Yeah, what about Peter who denied Jesus 3 times? (some will say), That happened in order to fulfill the prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion, the sheep being scattered, smite the Shepherd. It served as protection for what the Apostles were to do after Christ's death and resurrection in spreading The Gospel.)

Even in Matthew 24:23-26 where Lord Jesus is warning about a specific coming pseudo-Christ that some will claim is Christ having come, He showed that false one will work great signs and wonders, that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect (meaning His sent ones). That "if it were possible" phrase means those very elect CANNOT BE DECEIVED. Does that apply to all us, those of us who are 'called' only? No it does not, we still CAN BE DECEIVED, if... we do not stay in His Word to become His disciples. And that's the difference between those sent like the Apostles and those which the Apostles had to continually drive back into The Word of God because of their falling away.
 

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Yes there is a lot of truth in what you say but there is war with the flesh and the spirit as we are all human

And yes the word is the best way to stay faithful and not be deceived


My
point of this thread is that the gospel the great chain is what keeps us from being deceived
 

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Yes there is a lot of truth in what you say but there is war with the flesh and the spirit as we are all human

And yes the word is the best way to stay faithful and not be deceived


My
point of this thread is that the gospel the great chain is what keeps us from being deceived

I understand, but my point is that we need The Gospel (which involves our first belief on Jesus Christ), AND also the "strong meat", (understanding in God's Word), in order to NOT be deceived.

Do you know what Lord Jesus' first warning was about the very end of this world? It was to not allow any man to deceive us (Matthew 24). And it is connected with the false rider coming like Jesus on a white horse per the 1st Seal of Revelation 6.

When Lord Jesus said if we stay in His Word, then we become His disciples, and then the truth will make us free, He was pointing to spiritual freedom away from deception by the devil and his workers. So in a day when many don't care to stay in His Word, and think their Faith is enough to keep from being deceived, those may be in for a shock later after having learned how they were deceived during the end.
 

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I understand, but my point is that we need The Gospel (which involves our first belief on Jesus Christ), AND also the "strong meat", (understanding in God's Word), in order to NOT be deceived.

Do you know what Lord Jesus' first warning was about the very end of this world? It was to not allow any man to deceive us (Matthew 24). And it is connected with the false rider coming like Jesus on a white horse per the 1st Seal of Revelation 6.

When Lord Jesus said if we stay in His Word, then we become His disciples, and then the truth will make us free, He was pointing to spiritual freedom away from deception by the devil and his workers. So in a day when many don't care to stay in His Word, and think their Faith is enough to keep from being deceived, those may be in for a shock later after having learned how they were deceived during the end.

Yes I agree and I do stay in His word