Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?
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Again, some gods were fictional, some were the kings... etc, we are running in circles. So, I will bow out.
Wick Stick
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The video is solid.
Nonetheless, some Elohim clearly were fictional. For instance, Anat is a vulture goddess of Ugarit whose father was said to be El. She numbers among the Elohim despite not being... y'know... real.
There is only one authentic God who created the elevations and soil, and even the universe. But other creatures are authentically Gods who either die like men or what we will be when we die.
David Lamb
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Where in the bible does it say that there are gods who die like men, or that men become gods when they die? The bible mentions the true God, and false gods. Of the false gods, the psalmist wrote:
“4 Their idols are silver and gold, The work of men’s hands. 5 They have mouths, but they do not speak; Eyes they have, but they do not see; 6 They have ears, but they do not hear; Noses they have, but they do not smell; 7 They have hands, but they do not handle; Feet they have, but they do not walk; Nor do they mutter through their throat. 8 Those who make them are like them; So is everyone who trusts in them.” (Ps 115:4-8 NKJV)
"I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.’"
Psalm 82:6-7
MonoBiblical uses the capital G in a wrong, confusing way. There is only one true God, but in the ancient times, some powerful people were considered "gods".
David Lamb
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Thanks. Yes, as I understand it, the word "gods" is sometimes used in the bible of God-appointed judges. That seems to be the case in Psalm 82.
Grailhunter
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You shall have no other gods before me.
Yahweh never denied that there where gods.
What where they? Spiritual beings? Always evil?
Yahweh said there are no other Gods like Him.
He addressed the goddess directly.
Now because they took the name of God out of the Old Testament scriptures it can get a little fuzzy. Now those that believe in the three persons in one God formula can fit three persons in the word God. But if His name was put back in the Old Testament scriptures it would be clear that Yahweh Almighty is the only active God in the Old Testament. I am Yahweh, and there is no other.
I am Yahweh, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, Yaheh, do all these things. Isaiah 45:5-8
David Lamb
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The false gods (Baal, Molech, etc.) are idols, as Psalm 115 says, which I quote in Post 65. Apart from Satan, whom Paul calls the god of this world, the false gods are just idols, not spiritual beings. I cannot recall a passage in the bible where God addresses a godess directly.
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Grailhunter
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There were certainly idols…people worshipping things that did not exist.
Isaiah 47:1-15
Go down, sit in the dust,
Virgin Daughter Babylon;
sit on the ground without a throne,
queen city of the Babylonians. No more
will you be called tender or delicate.
2 Take millstones and grind flour;
take off your veil.
Lift up your skirts, bare your legs,
and wade through the streams.
3 Your nakedness will be exposed
and your shame uncovered.
I will take vengeance;
I will spare no one.”
4 Our Redeemer—the Lord Almighty is his name—
is the Holy One of Israel.
5 “Sit in silence, go into darkness,
queen city of the Babylonians;
no more will you be called
queen of kingdoms.
6 I was angry with my people
and desecrated my inheritance;
I gave them into your hand,
and you showed them no mercy.
Even on the aged
you laid a very heavy yoke.
7 You said, ‘I am forever—
the eternal queen!’
But you did not consider these things
or reflect on what might happen.
8 “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure,
lounging in your security
and saying to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.
I will never be a widow
or suffer the loss of children.’
9 Both of these will overtake you
in a moment, on a single day:
loss of children and widowhood.
They will come upon you in full measure,
in spite of your many sorceries
and all your potent spells.
10 You have trusted in your wickedness
and have said, ‘No one sees me.’
Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you
when you say to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.’
11 Disaster will come upon you,
and you will not know how to conjure it away.
A calamity will fall upon you
that you cannot ward off with a ransom;
a catastrophe you cannot foresee
will suddenly come upon you.
12 “Keep on, then, with your magic spells
and with your many sorceries,
which you have labored at since childhood.
Perhaps you will succeed,
perhaps you will cause terror.
13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you.
14 Surely they are like stubble;
the fire will burn them up.
They cannot even save themselves
from the power of the flame.
These are not coals for warmth;
this is not a fire to sit by.
15 That is all they are to you—
these you have dealt with
and labored with since childhood.
All of them go on in their error;
there is not one that can save you.
(1st Kings chapters 12 and 13) He then cries against the altar saying, “O altar, altar, thus says the Lord, Behold, a son shall be born to the house of David, Josiah by name; and on you he shall sacrifice the priests of the high places who burn incense on you, and human bones shall be burned on you.”
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Keiw
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Small g god is not calling that one God. It means has godlike qualities. In Greek at John 1:1 the Word is called god, not God. Thus it's the same in our language. All can look up John 1:1 in Greek and see the Word is not called the same word as the true God is called. One other instance in NT at 2Cor 4:4--Satan called the same exact Greek word as the Word is called while the true God, again is called a different word. The only possible reason= God and god. Translating is the same at both spots.
Small or capital g is the interpretation of a translator, because the originals do not distinguish them. Therefore, our Christian faith must guide us to translate/present it in the "orthodox" and logical way.
See above.
It is. I read Greek. Do you?
I am not sure what you mean. 2C 4:4 "theos". The true God is not called a different word, but also "theos".
Are you a Jehovah Witness or something? The label "Christian" used by JWs is misleading.
You seem to be claiming that JWs are not Christians.
I suppose you also believe that Protestants are not Christians either?
Keiw
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The true God is called HO Theos at J 1:1 and 2Cor 4:4--not plain Theos.
The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Earth back the JW religion all the way. You should learn his teachings correctly.
Interestingly, other forum member used the same reasoning, recently. @Aunty Jane
Are you from the same group?
"Ho" is the definite article and its usage depends on grammar. "Ho theos" and "theos" are not different words. Both Father and Son are described with the definite article and without, throughout the New Testament.
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Keiw
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There are many instances in the NT when God is spoken of alone as God he is called Theos. But when 2 are called God or god in the same passage, the true God is called a different word than the Word or satan in Greek. The only possible reason= God and god, to show a difference.
Do you read Greek or are you just parroting some Jehovah Witness training nonsense?
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
Color the true God in the verse in red.
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There is only one real God. You will notice that before the crucifixion there were Gods for everything. Those were demons taking advantage of humans that did not know any better. When people built great Temples to them it was because they actually could make of break mankind. You will notice all those temples now lay abandoned and broken down. The reason is that the early Christians now had the ability to use the authority of Christ to bind those gods and send them packing. Hence we no longer see any of them
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